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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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It is a factual reality. I know for 100% certain that I targeted Cerb last night. I know for 100% certain Fate's result is impossible if neither of us were interfered with.
There is no speculation involved in saying that either Fate lied or scum interfered.-
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Peta if you had bussed Cerb I would've played along and let you live till endgame
You're the one who is pulling the goddamn strings here
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ONEFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
"Fate you keep alternating between narratives of doing it for fun and doing it for the sake of winning"-
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Game set Match.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
"Fate you keep alternating between narratives of doing it for fun and doing it for the sake of winning"-
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if cerb flips scum i don't care if i die next lolIn post 1526, Fate wrote: Peta if you had bussed Cerb I would've played along and let you live till endgame
You're the one who is pulling the goddamn strings here
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That won't work on me, I know knwo the cats out the bag you'll just NK me and play your odds with the rest of these derpsFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
"Fate you keep alternating between narratives of doing it for fun and doing it for the sake of winning"-
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You've been defending Cerbs since his claim
and its been unfounded
It was a decent strat, but you had a stacked town against you.
All good all goodFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
"Fate you keep alternating between narratives of doing it for fun and doing it for the sake of winning"-
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I'll be sheeping GIF and his mind on Cerb hasn't changed and is still leaning on Cerb being a mafia joat.
I haven't been liking Fate's new posts. If Fate is town then he is a distraction to town and I haven't been impressed by him.-
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HighPrincessErinys it/its, not theyMafia Scumit/its, not they
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It's not factual reality from my point of view when you could also just uh, not be a rolestopper after all? Fate gains nothing from lying about his action going through, but you gain the potential of a Fate mislim, albeit... later. Later, because you seem to keep flip-flopping between "I think Fate is actually town" and posturing "But what if he WAAAAS scum lying?!?", waiting for people to agree with you he's a liar so you can get a wagon going.In post 1525, Radical Rat wrote: It is a factual reality. I know for 100% certain that I targeted Cerb last night. I know for 100% certain Fate's result is impossible if neither of us were interfered with.
There is no speculation involved in saying that either Fate lied or scum interfered.-
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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That's a huge misrepresentation.
You accused me of baseless speculation, so I explained that I am not speculating. No, you don't actually know whether my role is what I say it is or not, but I do, so accusing me of just speculating simply isn't true.
And with regards to Fate I have been very consistent. I do not believe Fate is lying. If someone were to actually try to push that Fate is lying scum, I would defend them from it because I do not think Fate is lying at all. And that's why I'm so set on scum having a roleblocker and/or redirector.
What I have said is that Fate lying is still a technical possibility, and I have said that IF Fate is lying the amount of effort they're going through to cover it up seems incompatible with the idea that Fate is lying as Town, and therefore Cerb's stated position that Fate is Town lying is not something I believe to be a genuine thought.-
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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In literally every single post of that "pendulum shit" I affirm that I believe Fate.-
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HighPrincessErinys it/its, not theyMafia Scumit/its, not they
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Then what exactly do you mean by "cover it up"? Asking the mod if his action went through??-
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You also repeatedly go "but if he WAS lying, then he's totally scum."In post 1536, Radical Rat wrote: In literally every single post of that "pendulum shit" I affirm that I believe Fate.-
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Again, Cerb flips town, scream that Fate is a liar, flip Fate.-
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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That, alongside the questions about how Rolestopper works, where Fate was looking for loopholes to explain his result. And then later when they realize my role is stronger than they thought expressing doubts on it again.In post 1537, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Then what exactly do you mean by "cover it up"? Asking the mod if his action went through??
If Fate's just Town deliberately claiming an impossible result to push Cerb with, there's no need for any of that. They wouldn't try to figure out if there's another way their result could happen, because the point from the start was that it couldn't. They wouldn't waver on me if they're actually so confident on Cerb as to completely fabricate evidence.
To me, these are indicative of Fate trying to make sense of a genuine result, and that's why I believe them so strongly. However if you're adamantly against Fate telling the truth, those interactions could theoretically have been made up to make a scum lie look more genuine. Cerb's stated position is that he does not believe I was roleblocked, and thinks Fate is lying about their result, but thinks Fate is doing that as Town.
This is a nonsensical position that I am attempting to demonstrate doesn't make sense. It's not meant to be actually shading Fate.-
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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I cannot make any guarantees as to the future, but as of right now I do not anticipate pivoting on Fate even if Cerb isn't the roleblocker we're looking for.In post 1539, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Again, Cerb flips town, scream that Fate is a liar, flip Fate.
This could change if Fate suddenly starts doing something super scummy, or you track them to a kill, but I'll worry about that if it happens.-
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This is blatant "Wellll I dunnoooo maybe I'll pivot?? idk thooo" ass-covering but alright, we'll see.In post 1541, Radical Rat wrote:
I cannot make any guarantees as to the future, but as of right now I do not anticipate pivoting on Fate even if Cerb isn't the roleblocker we're looking for.In post 1539, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Again, Cerb flips town, scream that Fate is a liar, flip Fate.
This could change if Fate suddenly starts doing something super scummy, or you track them to a kill, but I'll worry about that if it happens.-
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I don't want to put myself into a situation where if Fate actually does somehow turn out to be scum, making that push just gets me eliminated instead because I said I wouldn't before, so yeah, it's a bit of ass-covering because I cannot see the future.
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Cerberus v666 Let's Be Reasonable
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My analysis here/attention being paid to all posts may have dropped off partway through. *sigh*
Spoiler: peta's posts of note, mostly
I'm reserving judgment here, pending some convo.
Peta, you put fate, csf, myself, RR, and maybe Jingle as town at EOD yesterday. You're voting RR right now. What's happening here? Midday D1, you brought up Porkens seemingly not having support from his team as reason why he's scum. That...seems incredibly contrived, actually, and really a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing from my pov. If I see someone deferring to their team constantly, as too many people in this game seem to be doing in my opinion, that just seems like a scummy attempt to distance themselves from their actions. Why was his team not helping him scummy?
Everyone else: thoughts on peta/jingle argument from EOD1? I skimmed it as it was going on, and just had to reread it, but I'd like to hear what everyone thinks the relationship between peta/jingle is most likely to be given the argument and it's end result. Similarly, thoughts on the argument between peta and fate that happened earlier in the day.
Note: Adorable and peta both have the same thought process with regards to fate possibly being scum due to defending porkens, though they expressed it a bit differently. Must ISO in context to see the origin of that.
In 301 you said if HPE is town I'm scummy - as I'm asking everyone, does the inverse hold true? Since you appear to be TR'ing me, where does that put HPE at? It was a TL around the time you were SR'ing Jingle, partly because of Jingle's defense of the slot. How does that all fit together?
What dragged wgeurts down from what seemed to be a TL to not being worthy of including in that list you made at EOD?
Similarly, Adorable was town early in the day, and stopped being so by EOD. Elaborate?GTK a me, currently live, this may be your only chance!
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Also why the fuck is RR the closest thing to a counterwagon to me? HPE, peta, if this is based on the idea of there being one scum in the three of us, do you really think RR is the more likely scum there than fate is? Like, I get my own reasoning, and I know I said that fates specific behavior with regards to this claim is more likely to come from town!fate than scum!fate, but like - I certainly don't expect that line of reasoning to resonate with, like, anyone else lol.
Also I just realized I had a bunch of questions that I just spewed in an unclear fashion in that last post upon reading it, let me fix it lol.
Peta:
Peta, you put fate, csf, myself, RR, and maybe Jingle as town at EOD yesterday. You're voting RR right now. What's happening here?
Midday D1, you brought up Porkens seemingly not having support from his team as reason why he's scum. That...seems incredibly contrived, actually, and really a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing from my pov. If I see someone deferring to their team constantly, as too many people in this game seem to be doing in my opinion, that just seems like a scummy attempt to distance themselves from their actions. Why was his team not helping him scummy?
In 301 you said if HPE is town I'm scummy - as I'm asking everyone, does the inverse hold true? Since you appear to be TR'ing me, where does that put HPE at? It was a TL around the time you were SR'ing Jingle, partly because of Jingle's defense of the slot. How does that all fit together?
What dragged wgeurts down from what seemed to be a TL to not being worthy of including in that list you made at EOD?
Similarly, Adorable was town early in the day, and stopped being so by EOD. Elaborate?
Everyone else:
thoughts on peta/jingle argument from EOD1? I skimmed it as it was going on, and just had to reread it, but I'd like to hear what everyone thinks the relationship between peta/jingle is most likely to be given the argument and it's end result. Similarly, thoughts on the argument between peta and fate that happened earlier in the day.
Note: Adorable and peta both have the same thought process with regards to fate possibly being scum due to defending porkens, though they expressed it a bit differently. Must ISO in context to see the origin of that.GTK a me, currently live, this may be your only chance!
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I get where you're coming from HPE, but have no idea why you seem to pressupposing I'm town given your read on me and history thus far, which is a pretty key piece to this whole "RR lining up mislims" angle you're pushing
Which is putting the cart way in front of the horseFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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This one happens to agree with RR's logic as to why you're most likely town in this scenario is the thing. The difference here being that from my point of view, RR is also simultaneously and subtly posturing to get you mislim'd later.In post 1546, Fate wrote: I get where you're coming from HPE, but have no idea why you seem to pressupposing I'm town given your read on me and history thus far, which is a pretty key piece to this whole "RR lining up mislims" angle you're pushing
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Legitimately hadn't realized that it'd been so long since my last post, but I'm definitely digging the conversation recently. These pushes are interesting, to say the least. I feel like a decent chunk of the players are playing as though cerbs is a foregone miselim, which is weird. I'm not interested in jumping ship yet, but I'm definitely willing to let him keep speaking.This is a Parachute.-
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Okay the thing is though, cerb has yet to point to an alternative which he would as Town. There is so much information in the game right now, to the point its day 2 and we have very strongly felt reads. As scum or town cerb is able to reproduce his ISO dives by applying the same line of thought and methodology. I honestly am not interested in their town reads right now, all I care about is who they think we should be eliminating and why they're the best option as opposed to the others. Their body of work these past few posts although coherent has not impressed me as off yet."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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