Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Game Over!

[Puta Puta]

ehh...Tubby?

[Xylthixlm]

I agree with that rule.

My rule is somewhat broader: You always lynch anyone who votes themself.

Claims this as a valid policy, but fails to follow it up, when i self-vote. Claiming to hold an opinion but being too afraid of controversy to back it up is scummy.

BM

I hope no one is stupid enough to think that my policy requires me to vote someone who self-votes and unvotes in the same post. Your transparent attempt to frame me is noted.

In other words, non-serious self votes don't count.

[Xylthixlm]

Puta Puta, I'll unvote you if you explain what you've been thinking so far this game.

looking for an escape route-a way to unvote without looking conspicuous.

Not a post you would see from a townie- if you think someone is scum, why would their thoughts on the game be enough to make you unvote, unless the vote was PURELY for lurking, which isnt enough for a vote anyway.

BM

The vote is PARTIALLY for lurking, I'm surprised you didn't think of that possibility.

Total reasons to vote puta puta with lurking > total reasons not to vote puta puta
Total reasons to vote puta puta if he/she/it stops lurking < total reasons not to vote puta puta

[Xylthixlm]

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[Natirasha]

you wanna kill ur cop, fine with me.

This is a rudimentary scumploy only used by novice mafiates. Just check pretty much any newbie game if you want proof. In short, it confirms my vote.

[killa seven]

but idk what's going on... -.-

are you serious?

[Xylthixlm]

you wanna kill ur cop, fine with me.

This is a rudimentary scumploy only used by novice mafiates. Just check pretty much any newbie game if you want proof. In short, it confirms my vote.

I think we're being trolled.

[Sir Tornado]

Killa Seven, want to add something?

Puta Puta, do you think mafia is played the way you are playing right now? We have 20+ pages so far, don't you have an opinion on anything in the game so far?

[Shanba]

The plan outlined by Sir Tornado here:

I'm really, really trying hard to convince myself to unvote Puta Puta in case he/she/it is a real cop.

So far it's not working.

Xylthixlm, the key to this is, what happens if he/she/it is a scum masquerading as a cop? We still have him/her on the rack. You can't hope to go a long way in a large game by claiming cop on D1. If Puta Puta is scum, it doesn't matter when we get rid of her, it just matters whether we do; but in case she is a cop, we don't want to lynch her right now. It's not as if we are in a LyLo or something right now.

is very strong. Especially as I suspect that opinions on Puta Puta are being distorted by terrible play from him, play which may or may not be evidence of scumminess. I note natirasha's comment but am not convinced.

As for skitzer: I stand by what I said, and I thank skitzer for his apology. I'd like to apologise myself for the way I phrased it, but my point still stands. I don't know abut anyone else, but there's a limit to how much information I can process. A post which is just a summary of game events is roughly equivalent to a spampost - it does not bring anything we don't already know to the table. The signal:noise ratio, in other words, is adversely affected. Long posts with

some

analysis or showing of thoughts in them are fine, like tubby's post.

[Puta Puta]

Killa Seven, want to add something?

Puta Puta, do you think mafia is played the way you are playing right now? We have 20+ pages so far, don't you have an opinion on anything in the game so far?

no, i'm too overwhelmed by whats going on in the game, i honestly don't know wtf is going on...

let's do this to relieve the pain

Mod, please find a replacement for me, sorry

have fun guys!

[skitzer]

The plan outlined by Sir Tornado here:

I'm really, really trying hard to convince myself to unvote Puta Puta in case he/she/it is a real cop.

So far it's not working.

Xylthixlm, the key to this is, what happens if he/she/it is a scum masquerading as a cop? We still have him/her on the rack. You can't hope to go a long way in a large game by claiming cop on D1. If Puta Puta is scum, it doesn't matter when we get rid of her, it just matters whether we do; but in case she is a cop, we don't want to lynch her right now. It's not as if we are in a LyLo or something right now.

is very strong. Especially as I suspect that opinions on Puta Puta are being distorted by terrible play from him, play which may or may not be evidence of scumminess. I note natirasha's comment but am not convinced.

As for skitzer: I stand by what I said, and I thank skitzer for his apology. I'd like to apologise myself for the way I phrased it, but my point still stands. I don't know abut anyone else, but there's a limit to how much information I can process. A post which is just a summary of game events is roughly equivalent to a spampost - it does not bring anything we don't already know to the table. The signal:noise ratio, in other words, is adversely affected. Long posts with

some

analysis or showing of thoughts in them are fine, like tubby's post.

I can understand your point of view, but I really think PBPAs are okay when they are done by replacements, as they give the players who have been here for the entirety to see what replacements think about everything in the past.

[Sir Tornado]

Mod, please find a replacement for me, sorry

Ok, so we got him/her/it out of the way now.

So... Killa Seven... you might begin by explaining how your situation isn't much different than Puta Puta's.

[Xylthixlm]

unvote

pending replacement

[tubby216]

i'll

unvote

pending replacement


still waitin on killa seven

[Battle Mage]

I agree with that rule.

My rule is somewhat broader: You always lynch anyone who votes themself.

Claims this as a valid policy, but fails to follow it up, when i self-vote. Claiming to hold an opinion but being too afraid of controversy to back it up is scummy.

BM

I hope no one is stupid enough to think that my policy requires me to vote someone who self-votes and unvotes in the same post. Your transparent attempt to frame me is noted.

In other words, non-serious self votes don't count.

You should have clarified your policy earlier. How do you gauge if a vote is serious or not?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Puta Puta, I'll unvote you if you explain what you've been thinking so far this game.

looking for an escape route-a way to unvote without looking conspicuous.

Not a post you would see from a townie- if you think someone is scum, why would their thoughts on the game be enough to make you unvote, unless the vote was PURELY for lurking, which isnt enough for a vote anyway.

BM

The vote is PARTIALLY for lurking, I'm surprised you didn't think of that possibility.

So the fact he is lurking is what's tipping the balance? I find that rather weak...

BM

[Shanba]

Skitzer: I tried to make it clear that it's not PBPA's I have a problem with - it's game recaps.

[Xylthixlm]

Having players in the game whose play can't be analyzed for scumminess gives the scum an extra place to hide. I don't like giving the scum places to hide.

I am completely convinced that it's rational to vote lurkers in many situations even if lurking is not a scumtell for the player in question.

[Shanba]

Having players in the game whose play can't be analyzed for scumminess gives the scum an extra place to hide. I don't like giving the scum places to hide.

I am completely convinced that it's rational to vote lurkers in many situations even if lurking is not a scumtell for the player in question.

I don't think it's impossible to analyse lurkers.

-first, set it in context. Are they V/LA, are they posting in other games etc.

-second, analyse any posts they

have

made.

-third, if this is not enough to get a read on them, check your reads on the other players in the game. In many games I have played most of the active players in the game seem scummy - in this case, I tend to think the lurkers are likely town. OTOH, many other games all the active players have felt town and so we've lynched the lurkers. That seems to be a good way of going about it, to me.

The thing is, there's no such thing as an absolute lurker. Someone who never posts will be replaced, someone who doesn't post very much will always leave a certain amount of content, and the very fact that they're lurking may be significant in the context of the game - for example, only lurking when under pressure. I realise this needs time, but for that reason I'm OK with leaving lurkers alive for a few days. Besides, vigs might kill 'em anyway. And in Puta Puta's case, he has claimed a power role. It might simple be atrocious cop play - I want to see how his replacement handles it.

[Xylthixlm]

Fortunately, Puta Puta is being replaced, so the argument is academic until we go to bandwagon killa seven.

Rereading on the off chance that someone said something scummy in the last five pages.

[Xylthixlm]

BM 381: Slightly worrying, as I've used that line myself as scum.

militant 402: "beginning to annoy me" is not my favorite reason for a vote

SirT 404: Leaving a trail is good. Suspicion on BM noted. "deliberate" ambiguous playstyle, antitown.

Ectomancer 411: Yes.

BM 488: BM calling me "obvscum" means I'm playing right

Yos2 499: I agree with Yosarian2

BM 514: BM shows no evidence of considering whether my policy is a good idea

skitzer general: Where's that analysis?

[iamausername]

Unvote, Vote: killa sven

My vote's not going to do anything much while OGML is away, and I know k7 can be more helpful than he has been so far in this game. Let's get this wagon a-rollin'.

[Sir Tornado]

My vote's not going to do anything much while OGML is away, and I know k7 can be more helpful than he has been so far in this game. Let's get this wagon a-rollin'.

I find it interesting you are explaining all of this.

This observation is mainly for post-game purposes.

[The Fonz]

Prods will be going out on a handful of guys after Thanksgiving Weekend. If you know of a lurker i might have missed, feel free to let me know).

[Natirasha]

Unvote

If Gimbo/Puta Puta is being replaced.