Your request is denied. I will call you assholish as much as I wish, because you are indeed assholish.charter wrote:I will ask JDodge once to stop insulting me.
YAY HAMMER
Your request is denied. I will call you assholish as much as I wish, because you are indeed assholish.charter wrote:I will ask JDodge once to stop insulting me.
That isn't really what I said. I want you to think about my wagon Tomorrow, so having a couple of people express opinions on it Today might have been useful.kuribo wrote:interesting that the hammer comes right after eldarad posts "hurrr hurr I'm at l-1, I bet that means I'm town" (no, this isn't want he posted exactly, but it's a basically what he said)
It's worth noting that charter and eldarad were also on the almost-lynch of Moospiker (now Scheherazade).Vi -1 wrote:Twilight mass rebuttal post go
What pressure?kuribo 468 wrote:You're falling back on a "Lynch the Lurker" mentality, and in such a small game, I can't see that helping the town.
The difference between anti-town and scummy? Pushing to lynch a lurker in a small game is scummy. (Hint: it keeps pressure off of you and knocks out someone you know to be town)
Calling charter a lurker is a misnomer; he's hiding in plain sight and it's terribly obvious. Again, it's not that he doesn't contribute, it's that he refuses to.
In case you missed it, JDodge is my #2 and most likely to be his partner - I'm going after the one who's acting blatantly anti-Town. As far as something I'm not sharing, I'm tired of repeating myself. The guy's literally sitting around sayingkuribo 468 wrote:Why charter? Why not JDodge? Is there something besides the lurkiness that you're not sharing?Hey I'm acting anti-Town!.
All right, I glanced through a few of his games. charter's not a lazy, useless assholish Town player, and certainly hasn't pulled a stunt like this before (as far as I saw).JDodge 469 wrote:You're stereotyping. Stereotyping is bad. You need to look at charter as charter, not charter as the lazy, useless assholish Town player. Then you will see what I mean.Then why is he acting like this.Heck, after all the confrontation I've done, why not do something to keep suspicion away? It'sobvioushe's not even defending himself; not nearly as much as you are.
Considering active lurking is a sign of bad play - or more pertinently, worse play than charter's apparent norm - and that I've seen active/lurking work quite well in other games for scum, I'll take my chances. Besides, I think you have a vested interest in shooting me down.JDodge 469 wrote:Not contradiction. I've said that nothing would change his mind. How does that mean he'll stop reading? I've noticed a tendency among new people to have some sort of fetish with assuming the worst and considering it fact. Lurking is a terrible scum tactic because it's one that scum will tend to get called on quite often. I maintain that with the popularity of the whole "lynch all lurkers" meta, that lurking in and of itself has ceased to become a valid tell. Active lurking as a tell is also rapidly becoming invalid.
Snippiness is what I do best.JDodge 469 wrote:My, my, we're a bit snippy today, aren't we?
I'll wager eldarad is Town - albeit a painfully easy lynch - and thus that eldarad lingered at L-1 because both scum were already on the wagon. Hmm, that leaves charter, JDodge, and M-M. Convenient, the people I'm already suspicious of.
That's the move I was looking for.Scheherazade 481 wrote:My first move isn't going to be that impressive, I'm afraid.
As my predecessor already claimed cop, I'm happy revealing that kuribo did turn up town.
A brilliant display of deductive reasoning, if I do say so myself.charter 484 wrote:If I do, scum is Vi and JDodge.
charter 486 wrote:You supposedly need to be making up your mind about it too. Funny how you don't seem to realize this.
*insert TRY HARDER pic here*Vi 483 wrote:Understand that while I believe you are Town based on Moospiker's meta, it's not a certainty.
Funny, because from my point of view, if I believe Sche, it means me and him are town, and any of you three could be scum.charter wrote:What?
If I believe Sche, it means him and kuribo are town, I'm town, that leaves you and jdodge.
You supposedly need to be making up your mind about it too. Funny how you don't seem to realize this.
Ah.charter wrote:That was directed at Vi.
No. He saw his lynch coming, saw he was going to have to back up his claim somehow, and breadcrumbed there in self-defense. He may not have wanted to breadcrumb, but did so as a self-preservation instinct. One could argue that he breadcrumbed there because he saw the lynch coming and decided he was going to fake-claim cop to deter info, but that is:Vi wrote:Moospiker/Scheherazade is Scum
*Moospiker did not breadcrumb until he was at L-2 and saw afatchic ready to move against him. That seems horribly late, don't you think?
Why is the hammer suspicious?Vi wrote:*Scheherazade hammered eldarad. Granted, I didn't like the eldarad lynch toward the end anyway, but notice who was on the wagon - charter, JDodge, M-M, and Scheherazade. I highly doubt that NO Mafia were on the wagon; in fact, by the virtue of knowing my own alignment it's impossible for there to have been no scum on the wagon. The door is definitely open for Scheherazade to be Mafia, especially if one takes the hypothesis that charterxJDodge is a scamplay.
Valid. Makes false assumption that if Sche is scum, kuribo must therefore be scum. This is not true - everyone tends to assume that the correct play for scum in lylo fake-claiming cop is indeed to come forth with a guilty. However, this generally leads to a my word v. your word argument, which Sche can avoid this by "clearing" someone and then pitting the three people who already seem to be at each other's throats against each other.Vi wrote:*afatchic and Moospiker had a dynamic going, noticeably around Pages 3 and 4. Even though afatchic thinks Moospiker is scum for a long while, he doesn't vote him until charter confronts him about it much later. The charter+afatchic dialogue starting in Post 109 is an interesting read along these lines. afatchic generally seems to like sticking up for Moospiker under the premise of defending him.
Vi wrote:*Some of (but not all of) Scheherazade's case on eldarad, looking back on it, was just weird. After the initial post he heavily accuses eldarad of being useless (asking unnecessary questions), which you can guess my opinion on considering I've been after charter for a while. He also seems to make a point of getting eldarad to claim, saying his earlier claim was a lie. I'd call that an obvious, nonsensical rolefish. With all this said, though, eldarad really did seem to enjoy acting scummily, and ammunition of all qualities was plentiful.
Assumes there is a blocker present. Cannot be used as a tell, not enough information to assume tell is valid.Vi wrote:*The fact that Scheherazade was neither blocked nor targeted last Night, given how we've already seen that a successful investigation could end the game by process of elimination, is quite striking.
And an outed Town Cop. It's not necessarily a bad scum move, though it is situational. I do see your point and don't see it as likely per se.kuribo 494 wrote:There's only one setup that allows for two cops, and a very small number that call for none at all. So for him to falseclaim cop would be his death sentence upon counterclaim and result in his scum partner being left alone.
And that makes me wrong, or scum? Of course, putting in your own two cents on it is welcome.kuribo 494 wrote:I'm not liking alot of Vi's logic in trying to "sort things out."
No it doesn't.JDodge 493 wrote:Assumes there is a blocker present. Cannot be used as a tell, not enough information to assume tell is valid.
Some of Scheherazade's ideas of what is suspicious do not resonate with me. You quoted my thoughts on it later.JDodge 493 wrote:Why is the hammer suspicious?
How does that change anything?JDodge 493 wrote:No. He saw his lynch coming, saw he was going to have to back up his claim somehow, and breadcrumbed there in self-defense.
Wrong. Look at the setup list to see why. I'm honestly stunned at why neither you nor charter (especially you, seeing as you seem to be great at over-analyzing everything) the distinct possibility (however unlikely) that kuribo is a GF.Vi wrote:No it doesn't.JDodge 493 wrote:Assumes there is a blocker present. Cannot be used as a tell, not enough information to assume tell is valid.
If there is no blocker, then a successful investigation like this would be fatal if the Cop cannot be discredited.
You say it yourself here - "ideas of what is suspicious". It really seems like youVi wrote:Some of Scheherazade's ideas of what is suspicious do not resonate with me. You quoted my thoughts on it later.JDodge 493 wrote:Why is the hammer suspicious?
More suspicious is the wagon, which all but guarantees that at least one of you, charter, or Scheherazade is scum.
The incentive to save your skin is just as big for a cop as it is for scum.Vi wrote:How does that change anything?JDodge 493 wrote:No. He saw his lynch coming, saw he was going to have to back up his claim somehow, and breadcrumbed there in self-defense.
L-2 and rising would be a good time to think about how to dodge the noose. A claim would be a good way to do it; crumbs would be there to show that you've been meaning to claim eventually since... oh wait... you were put to L-2 and had incentive to claim to save your own skin. Crumbs are much more effective the earlier they are made, IMO.
'Mind if I give you some food for thought along these lines, just to speed this along a little?I'm the Doctor, and I protected Scheherazade last night. If nobody wants to counterclaim, and Scheherazade IS indeed a Town-side Cop, then charter and JDodge have giant targets on them. Unless someone wants to argue that kuribo/afatchic is the Godfather...
uh, I thought I made it clear yesterday that I think you're probably scum?Vi wrote:And that makes me wrong, or scum? Of course, putting in your own two cents on it is welcome.kuribo 494 wrote:I'm not liking alot of Vi's logic in trying to "sort things out."