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[Klick]

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[Gimli]

I'm reading TGP's ISO (thinking it's decent so far, seems to have correct takes and is actively hunting both for town and mafia). And I stumbled upon this:

Pina we are voting Norwe, and then the moderator is gonna come, and then lock the thread, and then post final VC, give us a very likely red flip, and then god knows what waits us for Day 2.

I don't want to make this more dramatic than it needs to be. I don't want to make this more toxic than it needs to be.

I just want to eliminate what to me is almost confirmed scum from how much I know about him. Can you help me

please

?

I'm likely gonna get this wagon it's just a question of if it's gonna be nice or nasty.

Which tgp followed with this glorious read

i guess my final take here is VOTE: Shirou. The general thought process here is that when you tunnel someone day 1 in this setup you are not much more likely than 3/13 to be right, and suggesting "lim me afterwards if I'm wrong" in my limited experience never actually happens (like, you are at very low risk to be powerlimmed the day after). Tunneling someone off secret meta is a very great way for scum to get a lim on a townie and then later get townread for it, putting nothing on the line for it. Like it's not like your reputation of successfully reading norwee scum is on the line if you're scum, which means I should update towards being suspicious that you're like "lim me even though I'm town if norwee flips town even though I'm scum"

I'm townreading golden paradox for their push on shirou (which was imo organic inside that very same post with a previous push that led to this one and the vote).

Also I find it unlikely that they're scumming with shirou.

But then there's something else. Considering that shirou managed to death tunnel a different slot that same GameDay, pending on norwee's alignment it can make shirou's D1 actually feel like scum powerwolfing.

Is that the norwee's take out post you were talking about, fire?

[Gimli]

Also in context with tgp's later townread on shirou I think it's not a slot we should be flipping today

Mafia is hard

[Gimli]

std town

Why is that?

[Gimli]

Norwee and shirou: what's your read on each other now?

[fireisredsir]

continue reading imo

[Gimli]

continue reading imo

I'm trying but my vacation is getting in the way of my mafia

Is there any specific part of D1 you think helps with gamesolving?

[Gimli]

Tgp is probably town for that.

Agreed with this sentiment

[Toto]

std town

Why is that?

Cause Aubrey's tone has been pinging me too and I think those sort of things are harder to notice as scum.

He also seems geniuningly trying to sort Aubrey despite the tone.

[fireisredsir]

679 is significant

[Toto]

Pina my town read on you is starting to erode again the longer you don't vote.

I have this crazy theory that you are scum and decided to make it to the engame without voting as a bonus points challenge,

[Save The Dragons]

@Aubrey If TGP is scum, do you think I'm a likely partner? If yes, do you think TGP is likely scum in the first place?

I ask the same to @Klick and @StD

I find fireisred's theory that you could be cross bussing intriguing but I don't find it very likely

[Gimli]

679 is significant

Ugh

Anyway I'm back later

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Did you mean Team Mafia 2020 though? I didn't play TM 2018 so I wonder if you're confusing me for someone else?

Yes I did mean 2020

[Save The Dragons]

Hmm i like Fire's thoughts but i'm not sure if that's to the level where i should townread i

I mindmeld with this

[Aubrey]

My tone is like the air under a geese's wings as it flies alongside it's true love into a blazing sunset that even Bob Ross would struggle to paint despite all his happy lil accidents.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Cat scratch, what do you think of Aubrey? Same question to fire

He felt okay, I had him as tentative town because his frustration with this game was voiced at points where I was getting annoyed with the game during my catch up

Thinking the NK points to scum satisfaction with the game state and then also thinking fire (Aristeia) is scum does feel contradictory, but I'm not sure it's scummy

Why are you asking about him?

[Gimli]

Why are you asking about him?

I thought his reading far into the NK weird when I asked that, but it makes sense if he is using it to assess fire's slot cause the counterwagon being town would mean comfortable scum. I asked you and fire to get a sense of what people are thinking of the slot.

[Gimli]

Hmm i like Fire's thoughts but i'm not sure if that's to the level where i should townread i

I mindmeld with this

One thing about fire is that reads they made while spectating are rolling over to the thread so it's hard to make a proper assessment for a while I think

[Aubrey]

Here's my mindset right now.

Flipping fire to me just gives us more information to work with regarding D1. Since we have no PR's we need to start trying to get a hard POE going, and any information we can. Understanding the wagons from D1 could be valuable. Since i'm uncertain with the spot, I'm fine voting and flipping it right now. If Fire is able to cause me to be super conflicted then I'll alter course. I think the same could be said for Shirou as information goes, but...I guess I'm not as hell bent on scum reading them right now?


Flipping TGP right here right now also gives us little to no info I feel like. I'd like to hear more from them than what I have to consider.


Klick, Toto, CSF, and Nboy are a pool that I worry a "go with the flow" mafia or two maybe lurking in.


I really like Gim right now. I'm going to keep Pina as town...But I need more skin in the game dawg so I can double down here.

[fireisredsir]

why do you think flipping tgp gives no info?

[giuseppina]

Pina my town read on you is starting to erode again the longer you don't vote.

I have this crazy theory that you are scum and decided to make it to the engame without voting as a bonus points challenge,

VOTE: shirou

i am voting solely to appease toto - please do not interpret this as any sort of endorsement of a shirou elimination right now

playing as a scums is difficult enough for me not to undertake any sort of ‘bonus points missions’ or anything like that

shrugs

dunno if you’re interested but here’s a game as town where the only vote i placed in the three days i was alive was an rvs vote in my very first post

viewtopic.php?p=11945809&user_select%5B%5D=34501

(that avatar is good enough to make going to find it worth it regardless)

anyway i’m not fully caught up going to get coffee then i will be around for a bit

pedit: …

[fireisredsir]

4 people followed shirou onto norwee. cakez, una, ari, and gamma. 2 have flipped town and i know a 3rd is town and im pretty sure the 4th is town as well

kinda interesting imo

[Toto]

Flipping fire to me just gives us more information to work with regarding D1. Since we have no PR's we need to start trying to get a hard POE going, and any information we can. Understanding the wagons from D1 could be valuable. Since i'm uncertain with the spot, I'm fine voting and flipping it right now. If Fire is able to cause me to be super conflicted then I'll alter course. I think the same could be said for Shirou as information goes, but...I guess I'm not as hell bent on scum reading them right now?

If fire flips town what info would that give us poe wise?

[fireisredsir]

i could maybe buy klick as scum