Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[T-Bone]

You'll have to explain that one.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I ALSO think that if CSF were a Lunar Guardian, it would have been a very large risk on both N1 and N3 to not target Ydrasse.

You mean this?
I feel as though Ydrasse is someone Lunar needed to be worried about getting shot by MathBlade particularly
CSF targeting Meuh instead of Ydrasse would leave Ydrasse vulnerable to that shot in return for saving... a townie?

[MegAzumarill]

VC 8.0.1

Firebringer (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow [E-3]

Not Voting (6) Magician, Firebringer, Past Present Future, T-Bone, Cat Scratch Fever, Enchant

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate
Deadline (expired on 2023-01-11 13:19:33)

[T-Bone]

I ALSO think that if CSF were a Lunar Guardian, it would have been a very large risk on both N1 and N3 to not target Ydrasse.

You mean this?
I feel as though Ydrasse is someone Lunar needed to be worried about getting shot by MathBlade particularly
CSF targeting Meuh instead of Ydrasse would leave Ydrasse vulnerable to that shot in return for saving... a townie?

Okay but scum projecting Ydrasse so that they would survive a dayvig would just lead to their immediate elimination. I don't think this is a good point. In this scenario you'd probably protect MMR as the stronger slot anyway.

[Magician]

Seeing how people are talking about Firebringer, I figured I’d chime in and fake being productive.

REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi, I am town.

(Okay but for real, I intend to be a BEACON this game, REVEALING the TRUE COLORS of all.)

shifty is patent protected btw.

I am Talia. Believe it or not, it's true. As true as the fact that Aegon the Conqueror had two wives.

Who is talia?

This is fascinating though and I want to say it loud what most probably thought about too:

Meg, is there any public information about Dusk/Dawn phases? Are they different?

Both Dusk and Dawn function as normal Mafia game eliminations, as well as Noon and Night function as normal mafia game night phases. They are functionally identical except they are distinct.

So it seems that Noon is the night phase for the Solar cult and the night is the night phase for the Lunar cult. In other words, based on flavor we can guess that the cults are even/off phase mechanically. But guess we'll see when we go

Anyways missed you, my friends. long time no see <3 been a while since I played a game here

VOTE: Bunnyonce

I don’t like this opening? It’s technically NAI, but given how wolves are probably more likely to try alleviating their nerves by messing around at daystart or overcompensating with their posts, Frozen’s opening seems to fit the bill.

I'm gonna say this in the nicest way possible

Mastina had the reins D1 and was wrong, bunnyonce was one of her scumreads

If people just let her repeat D1 I am going to afk

wait why would u guys listen to mastina
this is town.

mastina probably town too.
This is to the extent i scumhunt this game day.

No for memes

actually mastina could be scum. Wow that would be spicy.

I'm fine with playing along, but I'm not letting her pick the elim

Can I pick?

I don't want anyone to necessarily pick

But feel free to offer up some suggestions?

I am not making this day 'let's kill mastina', I am saying 'please hold mastina

accountable

'

almost makes me want to read day 1. not gonna go there.
do u want to elim mastina and think she scum or not

Contrasting Fire’s opening after replacing in, which is harder to read. I could call it opportunistic if I squint really hard, but in all honesty it doesn't really mean anything.

There are three pages between Frozen and Fire, reading them both shouldn’t take long.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I agree that Magician and T-Bone are not Solar. If you remove me from the Solar list because of no NK that first noon, the list of Solar is really just:

PPF
Enchant
Firebringer

This was also in order from more town to more scum btw

[Cat Scratch Fever]

DDS, I might need you to hit me with your reasons why the Magician slot isn't Lunar.

What I've found so far for Not!Lunar -

The strongest point is the push on DDS Day 1, which I originally thought made them not Lunar:

VOTE: dingle dangle scarecrow

Wanna go here?

This was followed up with:
1395 - appeals to furtive and Bunnyonce to vote DDS
1727 - more pushing DDS
2108 - another vote on DDS (this one was nearing day end, but before Rat/mastina claimed)

Though one nugget of paranoia I have is that they don't push DDS after day 1 at all... so I'm wondering if this was a deliberately planted anti-associative.

Sure, Day 2 was the MMR/PPF 1v1 so the thread was occupied with other things. But afterward Day 2, where did that scumread on DDS go? It's unclear to me if Scarf started townreading DDS from the blessing or what; they never clarify their read on DDS.

Scarf also alternated between pushing PPF & MMR during the 1v1. I'm not going to summarize their progression, they explained most of it in 4759, which I think is believable enough.

---

Junkochan associatives:

On Day... 4? (the day we limmed Porkens), we had a nice little wagon on Ydrasse going. JunkoChan's hop on and off there seemed natural to me. She was basically just following professotic's votes around-

aight I'm gonna sheep proffesor

VOTE: Ydrass

I think it's the less likely role to ever be scum, and the only one besides Mathblade that's confirmed, and the only slot that cannot be converted at this point

VOTE: DDS

ah fk it VOTE: DDS

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Also at the time I thought JunkoChan was very town, and I remember thinking scarf was town too. Magician started out strong but has fallen off more recently and ended up voting me instead of Ydrasse in the name of wagonomics which is >_> But also he defended Enchant (7668), and why would he do that unless they're scum together (which requires a 4-scum faction)? That Enchant wagon falling apart is ultimately what led to the Ydrasse lim

But overall, I think this is one of the least likely Lunar people, but not so much based on associatives so much as the strength of their own posting. I just don't think they're likely scum

[Cat Scratch Fever]

*checks fingernails* dds could maybe be a wolf. maybe.

i think my main issue skimming dds is mainly like. i feel like they're projecting rlly strong stances about mastina/math but not really putting in the legwork to actualize what they care about (mastina town ie why are you not kicking and screaming more trying to dismantle this wagon yk)

Also contrast Scarf's push on DDS with Ydrasse's, which was just light shading but never voting DDS

[T-Bone]

You're almost making the case that DDS and Magician are scum together though?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Because Scarf's read on DDS just evaporated? I hadn't considered that possibility. But for them to be scum together, Scarf was bussing his buddy and risked losing a buddy and getting his faction vanilla-ized

[Cat Scratch Fever]

And also my read on DDS is affected by their dayplay. They come into each day with some new analysis, and it's clear they've thought carefully about the game overnight & have done the legwork. They've also gotten more engaged in solving the game as more info becomes available, when I think scum tend to lose steam & that also seems to be consistent with Klick's townplay.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm also asking people if they have better reasons to clear Magician from Lunar, so I feel better about townbinning them. Because I feel like Magician hasn't done much lately and that makes me a bit wary tbh

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Firebringer didn't really engage with MMR/PPF on day 2 at all

Neither did Ydrasse really, come to think of it

[Firebringer]

i mean i joined this game mid to end of day 2 so....

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Bunnyonce was eliminated. Their role was

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Spoiler: Role PM

You are a

Vanilla Townie.

You have no special abilities.

You win when at least one player is alive, and all living players are aligned with the

town.

Firebringer replaces Frozen Angel.

You joined during night 1

[Firebringer]

huh.
was pretty confident i joined mid day 2.

[Enchant]

I don't remember what happened in this game and that including last day.

[T-Bone]

Because Scarf's read on DDS just evaporated? I hadn't considered that possibility. But for them to be scum together, Scarf was bussing his buddy and risked losing a buddy and getting his faction vanilla-ized

Right but that's what I'm saying. Why are you making the argument that the read just evaporated? What's the purpose?

[T-Bone]

Firebringer didn't really engage with MMR/PPF on day 2 at all

Neither did Ydrasse really, come to think of it

Okay but Ydrasse was aligned with MMR. Firebringer maybe isn't??

I'm just really confused why you're making relations between players we either know or suspect aren't aligned?

[Past Present Future]

Because Scarf's read on DDS just evaporated? I hadn't considered that possibility. But for them to be scum together, Scarf was bussing his buddy and risked losing a buddy and getting his faction vanilla-ized

I know that’s kind of the argument Dangle’s making but Dangle was never once in any danger on d1. I would just like to really hear a lot more from Magician.

[Past Present Future]

Firebringer didn't really engage with MMR/PPF on day 2 at all

Neither did Ydrasse really, come to think of it

Okay but Ydrasse was aligned with MMR. Firebringer maybe isn't??

I'm just really confused why you're making relations between players we either know or suspect aren't aligned?

I just think it’s so blatantly obvious to me that FA and STD can’t be buddies. He was way too tilted at her push on him. That’s why I wrongly read Ydrasse as town because MMR’s STD defence looked like such a wk to me but what it looks like now is scum probably chainsawing. Buddies generally don’t get that extremely tilted when a buddy pushes them.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Because Scarf's read on DDS just evaporated? I hadn't considered that possibility. But for them to be scum together, Scarf was bussing his buddy and risked losing a buddy and getting his faction vanilla-ized

Right but that's what I'm saying. Why are you making the argument that the read just evaporated? What's the purpose?

Because my original point from the previous days - "Scarf really believed and pushed DDS scum, and therefore cannot be Lunar" - takes a hit

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Firebringer didn't really engage with MMR/PPF on day 2 at all

Neither did Ydrasse really, come to think of it

Okay but Ydrasse was aligned with MMR. Firebringer maybe isn't??

I'm just really confused why you're making relations between players we either know or suspect aren't aligned?

He maybe isn't but I'm not entirely sure. It's scummy to not engage with that 1v1, and this particular scumminess is more likely to come from Lunar, because if MMr is Lunar & PPF is town, why wouldn't Solar egg on this 1v1

[Past Present Future]

Firebringer didn't really engage with MMR/PPF on day 2 at all

Neither did Ydrasse really, come to think of it

Okay but Ydrasse was aligned with MMR. Firebringer maybe isn't??

I'm just really confused why you're making relations between players we either know or suspect aren't aligned?

He maybe isn't but I'm not entirely sure. It's scummy to not engage with that 1v1, and this particular scumminess is more likely to come from Lunar, because if MMr is Lunar & PPF is town, why wouldn't Solar egg on this 1v1

I think that’s probably nia for Fire and again, I don’t believe STD gets that angry at buddy FA here, so I don’t believe Fire can be lunar, not with those FA/STD interactions.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why is it NAI for fire?