In post 7735, Enchant wrote:Well anyway. Updating.
Ded:
12. Maid Cafe/Toogeloo/Porkens. Solar Hypnotist. Eliminated Dawn 2 (D4).
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1. Radical Rat. Solar Cultist. Eliminated at Dusk 3 (D5)
10. MMR (Hydra of Ircher, RH9, and Roden). Lunar Starmaster. Eliminated at Dawn 1 (D2).
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15. Save the Dragons/Ydrasse. Lunar Cultist
13. Korina/Mathblade. Town Novice Dusk Knight. Killed Noon 2 (N4)
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2. Mastina/Nero Cain/Meuh. Limited Astrologer.
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14. Furtiveglance. Vanilla Townie. Eliminated Dusk 2 (D3)
17. radja/unwnd. Vanilla Townie. Killed Dusk 2 (D3) by MathBlade.
9. Bunnyonce (Hydra of Aisa and Greeting). Vanilla Townie. Eliminated at Dusk 1 (D1).
Game:
Dusk > Night > Dawn > Noon
Dusk 1: Bunnyonce eliminated (Vanilla Townie)
Night 1: professotic disappeared
Dawn 1: MMR eliminated (Lunar Starmaster)
Noon 1: No one Died.
Dusk 2: unwnd was shot by Mathblade (Vanilla Townie) and then Furtiveglance was eliminated (Vanilla Townie). professotic returned.
Night 2: No one Died.
Dawn 2: Porkens Eliminated (Solar Hypnotist).
Noon 2: MathBlade Killed (Town Novice Dusk Knight).
Dusk 3: Radical Rat Eliminated (Solar Cultist)
Night 3: No one Died.
Dawn 3: Ydrasse Eliminated (Lunar Cultist)
Noon 3: Meuh Killed (Town Limited Astrologer)
Dusk 4: Going
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3. professotic (Hydra of Professordrapion and tictac). Disappeared Night 1 (N1) but came back at end of Dusk 2 (D3). 1-Shot Astral Ghost.
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4. Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (Hydra with Klick and Bellaphant). Eluminator. Not Gamestart Solar.
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6. Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro). Can't be Lunar. Dawn Priestess.
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7. Yume/Cat Scratch Fever. Guardian
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8. Enchant. Vanilla Townie
5. Child of Fairies/Scarfmanship/Junkochan/Magician. Vanilla Townie
11. Frozen Angel/Firebringer. Vanilla Townie
16. T-Bone. Vanilla Townie
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So reevaluating thisIn post 3911, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:But it also doesn't feel like this is the route that three individuals and their scumbuddies would choose to take...
UNVOTE:
I'm going to discuss with Bella. I need to consider how likely it is that MMR is town and also consider how important the utility of flipping MMR to confirm mastina/PPF's alignments is.
I still get the impression that RH9 made his claim with basically no input from anyone.
Considering Ydrasse was one partner, this makes some sense.
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Yeah another thing proving it’s bullshit pretty much. How would Ydrasse possibly not know anything about it if it had any basis in reality?In post 8152, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:
So reevaluating thisIn post 3911, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:But it also doesn't feel like this is the route that three individuals and their scumbuddies would choose to take...
UNVOTE:
I'm going to discuss with Bella. I need to consider how likely it is that MMR is town and also consider how important the utility of flipping MMR to confirm mastina/PPF's alignments is.
I still get the impression that RH9 made his claim with basically no input from anyone.
Considering Ydrasse was one partner, this makes some sense.
What I want to determine is whether this suggests anything about the second partner.It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
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You’re definitely going to need to explain that one? VCA had a Prof wagon where he was at e-2 I think with MMR on it?In post 8153, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Or, when placed in context: does T-Bone let this claim happen?
I believe professotic would.It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
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In post 3900, MegAzumarill wrote:VC 2.0.5
MMR (5) Radical Rat, T-bone , Mastina, Yume, Past Present Future [E-3]
Mastina (3) Unwnd, Furtiveglance, firebringer
Past Present Future (2) Scarfmanship, Mathblade,
furtiveglance (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow,
Not Voting (4) Ydrasse, MMR, Toogeloo, Enchant,
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-14 21:51:23)
With 15 alive it takes 8 to eliminate.
In post 4077, MegAzumarill wrote:VC 2.0.6
Past Present Future (4) Scarfmanship, MMR, Toogeloo, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow [E-4]
MMR (4) Radical Rat, Yume, Past Present Future, Mathblade [E-4]
Mastina (3) Unwnd, Furtiveglance, firebringer
Unwnd (1) Mastina
Not Voting (3) Ydrasse, Enchant, T-bone ,
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-14 21:51:23)
With 15 alive it takes 8 to eliminate.
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Because Ydrasse was paying zero attention to this game.In post 8155, Past Present Future wrote:
Yeah another thing proving it’s bullshit pretty much. How would Ydrasse possibly not know anything about it if it had any basis in reality?In post 8152, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:
So reevaluating thisIn post 3911, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:But it also doesn't feel like this is the route that three individuals and their scumbuddies would choose to take...
UNVOTE:
I'm going to discuss with Bella. I need to consider how likely it is that MMR is town and also consider how important the utility of flipping MMR to confirm mastina/PPF's alignments is.
I still get the impression that RH9 made his claim with basically no input from anyone.
Considering Ydrasse was one partner, this makes some sense.
What I want to determine is whether this suggests anything about the second partner.
Ydrasse being Lunar has given the claimmorecredibility, not less.-
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In what universe?In post 8158, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:
Because Ydrasse was paying zero attention to this game.In post 8155, Past Present Future wrote:
Yeah another thing proving it’s bullshit pretty much. How would Ydrasse possibly not know anything about it if it had any basis in reality?In post 8152, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:
So reevaluating thisIn post 3911, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:But it also doesn't feel like this is the route that three individuals and their scumbuddies would choose to take...
UNVOTE:
I'm going to discuss with Bella. I need to consider how likely it is that MMR is town and also consider how important the utility of flipping MMR to confirm mastina/PPF's alignments is.
I still get the impression that RH9 made his claim with basically no input from anyone.
Considering Ydrasse was one partner, this makes some sense.
What I want to determine is whether this suggests anything about the second partner.
Ydrasse being Lunar has given the claimmorecredibility, not less.It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
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Okay summarized my thoughts here.
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To give them more time to explain themselves. From my perspective one of two things could be true. a) they were claiming real results b) they fakeclaimed and fakeclaimed really badly to get rid of a non-threatening slot. I had a hard time believing the second (and still do to some extent).In post 8154, Past Present Future wrote:I really did think Ydrasse was going to flip town. T-Bone why did you unvote MMR?
Even though I unvoted I never let up on the pressure on that slot. I pressured MMR like crazy. I claimed intent to hammer when it was clear MMR couldn't explain themselves. My intent to hammer was so MMR could post final reads. They never did and someone else hammered while I was asleep.
Now, why have you avoided voting correctly on any day phase?
Why did you avoid the Porkens vote?
Why did you avoid Rat despite Rat being confirmed scum?
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I know it's convenient for you to believe this, but the in-thread evidence suggests that Ydrasse was not paying this game any attention. You can insist she obviously would have known as much as you want. You don't have evidence to support that insistence.In post 8161, Past Present Future wrote:There is 0 chance that she wouldn’t know anything about it, none. I know it’s bs anyway but that just adds to the multitude of reasons debunking it.
We know Ircher and Roden weren't paying much attention when the claim happened.-
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Do you want my input on this, or would that be too much WIFOM?In post 8153, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Or, when placed in context: does T-Bone let this claim happen?
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I would very much appreciate your input on this!In post 8164, T-Bone wrote:
Do you want my input on this, or would that be too much WIFOM?In post 8153, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Or, when placed in context: does T-Bone let this claim happen?
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Don’t bs me, you tried to mislim Mastina when I tried hard to save her.In post 8162, T-Bone wrote:
To give them more time to explain themselves. From my perspective one of two things could be true. a) they were claiming real results b) they fakeclaimed and fakeclaimed really badly to get rid of a non-threatening slot. I had a hard time believing the second (and still do to some extent).In post 8154, Past Present Future wrote:I really did think Ydrasse was going to flip town. T-Bone why did you unvote MMR?
Even though I unvoted I never let up on the pressure on that slot. I pressured MMR like crazy. I claimed intent to hammer when it was clear MMR couldn't explain themselves. My intent to hammer was so MMR could post final reads. They never did and someone else hammered while I was asleep.
Now, why have you avoided voting correctly on any day phase?
Why did you avoid the Porkens vote?
Why did you avoid Rat despite Rat being confirmed scum?
Why did you try to derail the correct lim yesterday onto a mislim on me with very little time left in the day phase?
Math wanted to wait too and I didn’t vote furtive.
Who hammered furtive? Oh yeah Enchant and Magician voted the unCC’d doc claim so get rekt.
I must be scum since I didn’t anticipate Enchant would hammer obviously. Great detective work there, Sherlock.
Why don’t we bring up all of the VCS so you can stop with the bs shading?
I really did think Ydrasse would flip town buy I guess my not having a crystal ball somehow makes me scum?It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
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wait whenIn post 8166, Past Present Future wrote: Who hammered furtive? Oh yeah Enchant and Magician voted the unCC’d doc claim so get rekt.Wizard-Mercenary
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I don’t know why any of the flips which point against me being scum are now being used to push me? If you both are town, you’re ignoring blatant occam’s razor. I can’t respond to anything devoid of logic. Logic and evidence points against me but for reasons I can’t fathom a lunar flip of a slot who clearly knew nothing about a bs claim her buddy made somehow implicates me. I’m starting to have doubts on Dangle now because I don’t recall their reasoning being this bad as town before.It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
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Okay, so the short answer is, no, not if it was a fake claim. The long answer will require us to make some assumptions, namely that I am scum with MMR and Ydrasse. Ydrasse isn't posting as much as MMR was, so in terms of who would be valuable to the scumteam, that's MMR. We're not giving up his slot on a fakeclaim. We're also not fakeclaiming on PPF, who poses no threat to our team. They hard townread Ydrasse, and didn't have enough town equity to lead a lim on MMR or I. PPF only becomes a threat if a townblock forms with them, mastina-slot, yume-slot, and then someone like you or Mathblade to lead it. I think if you believe nothing else from this post, know that I don't view players who rely on metareads as a threat, so there's no way if I had input onto this plan that I allow it. Yes I bus and Ydrasse would have been a prime bus candidate, but Ydrasse is only valuable as a bus candidate if MMR is still alive for this hypothetical scumteam I'm not on.In post 8165, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:
I would very much appreciate your input on this!In post 8164, T-Bone wrote:
Do you want my input on this, or would that be too much WIFOM?In post 8153, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Or, when placed in context: does T-Bone let this claim happen?
I believe professotic would.
Now if we believed PPF was Solar scum? Then I'd like to think we'd have a better plan than what MMR came up with. But even then, in multiball I don't value eliminating the other scumteam early, so I don't know for sure, but there's a chance if I believed we confirmed scum from the other team, we sit on the info until we need it to save ourselves. IE the town seriously starts to consider one of us as scum down the line, so that's when MMR drops the bombshell that PPF is scum.
I usually think a lot in games how I would play it much better if I were scum, and that's easy for me to do as town, but less easy for you to believe when you don't know my alignment. I honestly think had I rolled scum this game the team I was on would be in a much better position than the teams find themselves in now.-
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I didn't bring up Furtive at all, considering you were correctly not voting him at the end of the day phase. I also did not bring up Mastina or Meuh.In post 8166, Past Present Future wrote:
Don’t bs me, you tried to mislim Mastina when I tried hard to save her.In post 8162, T-Bone wrote:
To give them more time to explain themselves. From my perspective one of two things could be true. a) they were claiming real results b) they fakeclaimed and fakeclaimed really badly to get rid of a non-threatening slot. I had a hard time believing the second (and still do to some extent).In post 8154, Past Present Future wrote:I really did think Ydrasse was going to flip town. T-Bone why did you unvote MMR?
Even though I unvoted I never let up on the pressure on that slot. I pressured MMR like crazy. I claimed intent to hammer when it was clear MMR couldn't explain themselves. My intent to hammer was so MMR could post final reads. They never did and someone else hammered while I was asleep.
Now, why have you avoided voting correctly on any day phase?
Why did you avoid the Porkens vote?
Why did you avoid Rat despite Rat being confirmed scum?
Why did you try to derail the correct lim yesterday onto a mislim on me with very little time left in the day phase?
Math wanted to wait too and I didn’t vote furtive.
Who hammered furtive? Oh yeah Enchant and Magician voted the unCC’d doc claim so get rekt.
I must be scum since I didn’t anticipate Enchant would hammer obviously. Great detective work there, Sherlock.
Why don’t we bring up all of the VCS so you can stop with the bs shading?
I really did think Ydrasse would flip town buy I guess my not having a crystal ball somehow makes me scum?
More importantly, you also didn't answer why you didn't vote correctly on Porkens and Rat. Considering we're all saying you are their partner, it's pretty strange you would straight up not answer why you didn't think they were scum. Especially Rat since Rat was confirmed scum after Porkens' flip.-
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I agree, I just thought if I left that out of my questions, that would be misleading framing on my part. You can see though that's the only point PPF chose to address, they didn't even address Porkens or Rat in their response to me.In post 8170, Enchant wrote:PPF point actually valid: They can't be scum with Ydrasse.
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Interesting that PPF chose to blame Enchant and Junko(Magicianslot) for hammering Furtive for claiming doc when we now know Furtive was VT.-
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T-Bone is trying to make a case that my voting is bad when if all the VCs were analyzed it would show that argument to be nonsense since probably everyone didn’t vote optimally and I did think Ydrasse would flip town and I explained my reasoning for that. I could understand this bs push if Meuh had said I was moon attuned but there’s no reason not to believe that’s not true. However it’s just beyond fathomable that Dangle could seriously think if MMR had a real claim she wouldn’t know anything about it. In what game ever has anything like that ever happened?In post 8167, Enchant wrote:
wait whenIn post 8166, Past Present Future wrote: Who hammered furtive? Oh yeah Enchant and Magician voted the unCC’d doc claim so get rekt.
And the fact still remains that I tried hard to keep Mastina from getting limmed by being on Scarf cw when both Solar scum were clearly trying to run her up. Especially RR.It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
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