Gnosia Game over!

[FakeGod]

It's what the role PM says.

[MathBlade]

We’ll know momentarily,

I was hoping Marashu would come back on.

Time for a full claim from me.

If someone susses me I could get their role. I submitted it on Fake God. I figured opening on NK15 would be simple enough and I put the answer that mass claim should be a thing in the links. I had every intention of claiming today.

When Maria gets back I will know if Fake God is lying and create a circle of trust/guilty.. You can ignore the if NK15 scum section of my reads and the rest are true, I figured it’d be the least harm to generate sus. I was hoping to get a mass batch submit but that wasn’t the intent.

This can be used to read the Fake God v Enchant fight.

I would have picked Marashu but they didn’t come online for me to sus and I am AFK a lot of tomorrow with errands.

[MathBlade]

There’s no way we’d elim NK15 anyway it was just something stupid to gather sus.

[MathBlade]

By their role I mean their ability not their alignment.

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73966&start=1175&hilit=Flipless << Flipless I missed
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=71712&hilit=Flipless << Game where I go into detail about how to play flipless and catch most of the scum

Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t make things scummy or wrong.

Subject: Micro 708: H4rdcore Mafia (Game Over)

If the game continues on as I suspect it will we will have objective proof two of the three of NM,Duppin, and person lynched today hopefully LQ or Infinity would be Town. Possibly three.

However with conf Town in Alisae and myself (I know you all won't say conf because you haven't played flipless enough blah blah) very likely town Alisae and myself then we just form a town block and own this.

I hate Town blocks in flipful. In flipless they are awesome.

Yeah, you are going to have to explain how Alisae and yourself are cleared.

Along with this, please detail the games you have played that were flipless. I have played one fully flipless game and one or two games that were partial flips.

They were mainly f2f games (and thus can't link sorry). In those games you specifically had to notice reasoning and if someone was applying a certain type of thinking to their words and votes. The only flipless game I have here is inception Mafia. While it was sort of flipless and not 100% flipless managed to stall until close to end game when the setup was broken.

The main examples on MafiaScum are complete mafia sweeps. Because people have an "expectation" there is one way to hunt.

Most of those games were vanilla but a few had PR roles and in those cases you actually mass claim right away which will never make sense to MS players.

Alisae and I are cleared because two wagons are on L-1.

There are only two scum.
Therefore we cannot be scum with both ZZX and LaLight. Fact.
If scum we would be convinced or interacting with those wagons to start to be convinced rather than our own in order to move to LyLO without a scum flip unless in Duppin/Not Mafia.

However for reasons explained those two are likely Town. Therefore we are Town.

In that first game you say that in flipless ifyou have PRs you mass claim off the bat. Why should this game be different?

I’m actually still all for mass claim. I just had to be super sus because of my role to make sure the suspicions counted. So yay! Told you I would get back to this.

[Herta]

Got it. Taking it at your word game got easier then. Small chance scum has that ability I guess but unlikely.

[Jada]

How is sus objectively defined?

This just basically says you rolecopped Fakegod. The only people who needed to do that are people afraid.

[MathBlade]

How is sus objectively defined?

This just basically says you rolecopped Fakegod. The only people who needed to do that are people afraid.

It’s I pick a post and Maria declares it so.

Things like votes obviously count.

Things like someone saying I am suspicious or sus count.

It’s why I was asking people explicitly to sus me.

And yes I in essence rolecopped Fake God.

[MathBlade]

https://gnosia.fandom.com/wiki/Gina

If you notice her target someone after they've claimed a role, made a report, or said something in general it may be a sign that they're an enemy role.

From my flavor

Based on this and Fake God’s claim I am expecting a doesn’t match on Fake God.

Then it’s up to everyone else to read me but I am transparent about why I did what I did.

And everyone has the relationships and if then else’s to proceed

[shiki]

https://gnosia.fandom.com/wiki/Gina

If you notice her target someone after they've claimed a role, made a report, or said something in general it may be a sign that they're an enemy role.

From my flavor

Based on this and Fake God’s claim I am expecting a doesn’t match on Fake God.

Then it’s up to everyone else to read me but I am transparent about why I did what I did.

And everyone has the relationships and if then else’s to proceed

i mean,

if you get a doesn't match then i could give you another shot and which you'd then use on someone who hasn't claimed their ability

and then that player could check the truthfulness of your ability claim

but this plan has the problem of not really being able to 100% count on that player's alignment either because not known 15 has already used ability

[shiki]

also, this may be a very stupid question,

but, uh, why did this plan require you to be 'sus'?

[shiki]

How is sus objectively defined?

This just basically says you rolecopped Fakegod. The only people who needed to do that are people afraid.

It’s I pick a post and Maria declares it so.

Things like votes obviously count.

Things like someone saying I am suspicious or sus count.

It’s why I was asking people explicitly to sus me.

And yes I in essence rolecopped Fake God.

oh hm, i think i understand maybe

[FakeGod]

I'm fine with being rolecopped.

You will see that I am truthful if your ability is real.

[FakeGod]

Also, I am frankly appalled that your trigger condition is "being sus'd", if it really is real.

Not only it feels rather subjective, but also it forced this very awkward entrance from your replace in.

I do not approve.

[shiki]

https://gnosia.fandom.com/wiki/Gina

If you notice her target someone after they've claimed a role, made a report, or said something in general it may be a sign that they're an enemy role.

From my flavor

Based on this and Fake God’s claim I am expecting a doesn’t match on Fake God.

Then it’s up to everyone else to read me but I am transparent about why I did what I did.

And everyone has the relationships and if then else’s to proceed

i mean,

if you get a doesn't match then i could give you another shot and which you'd then use on someone who hasn't claimed their ability

and then that player could check the truthfulness of your ability claim

but this plan has the problem of not really being able to 100% count on that player's alignment either because not known 15 has already used ability

this also works if you get a match

though being truthful about ability also doesn't necessarily mean you are town, mm,

applying to both you and fakegod, ugh

[shiki]

Also, I am frankly appalled that your trigger condition is "being sus'd", if it really is real.

Not only it feels rather subjective, but also it forced this very awkward entrance from your replace in.

I do not approve.

had a fairly similar reaction to this it is like,

wouldn't simply being voted have been a better condition i don't follow why it would ever be subjective instead of objective

[shiki]

OH WAIT!!!!

there isn't always a vote phase during the day so it can't be that

[shiki]

Things like votes obviously count.

which then maybe makes me

hmm

about this bit

though could have asked for clarification et cetera i guess

[MathBlade]

also, this may be a very stupid question,

but, uh, why did this plan require you to be 'sus'?

Because I can only get someone’s ability for someone who found me sus. It’s the only way it fires.

So I needed a quick way to make people scumread me that wouldn’t make me elimmed or impact reads.

Simple answer attack conf town badly

Hence the for now with the winky face. I was trying to tell NK15 I town read him.

[MathBlade]

Things like votes obviously count.

which then maybe makes me

hmm

about this bit

though could have asked for clarification et cetera i guess

I have to pick a post that shows them “clearly thinking I am suspicious” if it’s not clear it won’t work.

[MathBlade]

Also, I am frankly appalled that your trigger condition is "being sus'd", if it really is real.

Not only it feels rather subjective, but also it forced this very awkward entrance from your replace in.

I do not approve.

Making lemons. I don’t like it either being on the spectrum but I tried to do it in the least harmful way. So just waiting on Maria.

[Enchant]

FakeGod ability is fishy.
Like town can just answer "I Am AC FOLLOWER" on it.

How?

They will be told by the mod to claim in the thread honestly.

And?

What if i still lie?

[MathBlade]

https://gnosia.fandom.com/wiki/Gina

If you notice her target someone after they've claimed a role, made a report, or said something in general it may be a sign that they're an enemy role.

From my flavor

Based on this and Fake God’s claim I am expecting a doesn’t match on Fake God.

Then it’s up to everyone else to read me but I am transparent about why I did what I did.

And everyone has the relationships and if then else’s to proceed

i mean,

if you get a doesn't match then i could give you another shot and which you'd then use on someone who hasn't claimed their ability

and then that player could check the truthfulness of your ability claim

but this plan has the problem of not really being able to 100% count on that player's alignment either because not known 15 has already used ability

this also works if you get a match

though being truthful about ability also doesn't necessarily mean you are town, mm,

applying to both you and fakegod, ugh

Correct.

It’s more about the relationships so can build worlds.

It’s going to be a lot of if then else

When Maria gets back to me I can write them out.

[beeboy]

Birthday today, see ya tomorrow o7

[Freedom]

Also, I am frankly appalled that your trigger condition is "being sus'd", if it really is real.

Not only it feels rather subjective, but also it forced this very awkward entrance from your replace in.

I do not approve.

Mine is being the majority wagon and winning a dice roll so I feel like Math could be genuine in saying that as his trigger.