Crackers! Mafia -- Game Over. See page 50

[roflcopter]

@Korts, Roflcopter - Why arent you voting for Yosarian2? What is your view of his lurking here?

BM

i'm not convinced yos is aware the game actually started.

and my vote has a very happy home already, i don't have any reason to go on a lurkerhunt.

[Raging Rabbit]

Otherwise I feel DGB has been fairly pro-town, but this statement is openly buddying up to rofl.

What makes you read DGB as pro town?

You make some good points about Guardian, but none of them seem like a good justification for a vote other than "staying on the fence about CKD", which I don't think is accurate. Do you consider any of the other points you're discussing with Guardian a scumtell?


Vollkan, I saw a lot of theory discussion in your last post but not an actual explanation of why CKD's gut call is scummy despite him always using gut reads. I see you accusing him of double standards, anything else behind your vote on him?


BM - your votes don't mean whatever you want them to, at this point they represent more or less nothing. I'm actually more interested in who you

didn't

yet vote for.

Unvote, vote Elmo

. I want you to explain how your play here is in any way pro town.

[Adel]

See this post for a little more explanation about the mechanics of this game.

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votecount as of post 251

_{with 14 alive, 8 will lynch before deadline}

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¬curiouskarmadog:

4

:roflcopter, DrippingGoofball, destructor, vollkan
Guardian:

2

: Korts, Battle Mage
Battle Mage:

1

:SensFan
roflcopter:

1

:curiouskarmadog,
Korts:

1

:ZazieR
Raging Rabbit:

1

:Elmo
DrippingGoofBall:

1

: Guardian
Elmo:

1

:Raging Rabbit


No Lynch:

none

not voting:

1

:Kison, Yosarian2

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Day 1's deadline is December 6th at 16:40(UTC)

Countdown timer to deadline

[Guardian]

fyi:

Adel, are the mafia allowed to talk one on one via PM (or in some other generally unobserved area) regularly during the day? It is not clear from the front post (to me).

Also, can they (and other roles) prearrange events? Can they PM you ("kill Player 1 at 1:00 AM")? Can they PM you ("kill Player 1 right before the day ends")? Also, what happens if you have not resolved a mafia kill and someone is lynched in the meantime?

-mafia are allowed to talk via quicktopic -- see PM.
-no
-no
-no
- they don't kill anyone

I'm sad that Adel didn't answer my questions in the thread like she did with the last ones .

As much as I think I have something on DGB, I want to put this out for consideration -- she implied I was trying to lead BM away from being scummy, inasmuch as he could be my scum partner and I couldn't talk to him during the day. Mafia can talk via quicktopic. Does it make sense to take it as an indicator of DGB-townness that she was arguing that I had to communicate to BM in this thread? That could be faked, I dunno.. I just thought of it and am not sure what to think so I wanted to throw that out there.

PS: An interesting consequence of the rules as Adel responded to me is that if we quick-lynch someone before Adel has resolved a mafia kill, the mafia kill will not go through. So we might want to try that as a strategy at some point, and in fact we might want to be more liberal about hammering on a whim or some such if the mafia have not killed yet. Sure, mafia could get away with BS quick hammers, but then they would be killing scummy people instead of whomever they chose.

[Adel]

fyi:

Adel, are the mafia allowed to talk one on one via PM (or in some other generally unobserved area) regularly during the day? It is not clear from the front post (to me).

Also, can they (and other roles) prearrange events? Can they PM you ("kill Player 1 at 1:00 AM")? Can they PM you ("kill Player 1 right before the day ends")? Also, what happens if you have not resolved a mafia kill and someone is lynched in the meantime?

-mafia are allowed to talk via quicktopic -- see PM.
-no
-no
-no
- they don't kill anyone

I'm sad that Adel didn't answer my questions in the thread like she did with the last ones .

As much as I think I have something on DGB, I want to put this out for consideration -- she implied I was trying to lead BM away from being scummy, inasmuch as he could be my scum partner and I couldn't talk to him during the day. Mafia can talk via quicktopic. Does it make sense to take it as an indicator of DGB-townness that she was arguing that I had to communicate to BM in this thread? That could be faked, I dunno.. I just thought of it and am not sure what to think so I wanted to throw that out there.

PS: An interesting consequence of the rules as Adel responded to me is that if we quick-lynch someone before Adel has resolved a mafia kill, the mafia kill will not go through. So we might want to try that as a strategy at some point, and in fact we might want to be more liberal about hammering on a whim or some such if the mafia have not killed yet. Sure, mafia could get away with BS quick hammers, but then they would be killing scummy people instead of whomever they chose.

I answered your questions too quickly- I didn't read carefully. Sorry. If a kill is sent it resolves instantly. If a lynch is reached

in between

the time when a kill is sent and when I post the death-scene information in thread, the kill

will still occur

, and will be posted just before the lynchscene.

Sorry for any confusion.

[roflcopter]

i agree with most of what dgb has been saying

aside from the vollkan bit, which i hope she's just joking about

scum list:
ckd
guardian
elmo
bm?
kison?
korts?

in that order

[roflcopter]

oh, also add

sensfan?

to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little

[Korts]

What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

You make some good points about Guardian, but none of them seem like a good justification for a vote other than "staying on the fence about CKD", which I don't think is accurate. Do you consider any of the other points you're discussing with Guardian a scumtell?

The "staying on the fence about CKD" tell was the one thing that made me cast my vote; I turned out to be mistaken somewhat, and what I called being on the fence was actually a conflict of motives from Guardian's two statements, which isn't nearly as scummy. If my vote weren't already on him, I probably wouldn't vote, but I don't see any particular reason to unvote, either.

Here are the things I think are scumtells of the points against Guardian:

The conflict of projected motives; Guardian's "So does it indicate nothing or does it indicate that he is SK?" question, although to very minor degree; his implication that self-voting is inherently scummy.

[Battle Mage]

oh, also add

sensfan?

to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little

I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?

BM

[Battle Mage]

What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

2 words. NULL. TELL.

BM

[Elmo]

scum list:
ckd ✔
guardian

X

elmo

X

bm?

X

kison? ✔
korts? ✔
sensfan? ✔

[Korts]

What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

2 words. NULL. TELL.

BM

It's all about motives.

[roflcopter]

oh, also add

sensfan?

to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little

I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?

BM

i don't, and i'm not, but what he

has

added has been scummy. but well done defending him by trying to undermine the validity of my calling him scummy. thats pretty damn scummy in itself on your part.

bmscum exponentially increases the chances of sensfanscum, and vice versa

[roflcopter]

scum list:
ckd ✔
guardian

X

elmo

X

bm?

X

kison? ✔
korts? ✔
sensfan? ✔

thats cute, scum

[Battle Mage]

BM - your votes don't mean whatever you want them to, at this point they represent more or less nothing. I'm actually more interested in who you

didn't

yet vote for.

Surely that in itself gives my votes significance?

And ftr, my votes do mean whatever i want them to, TO ME. Why would i care what significance you place upon my votes?

BM

[Korts]

scum list:
ckd ✔
guardian

X

elmo

X

bm?

X

kison? ✔
korts? ✔
sensfan? ✔

Anything else?

[roflcopter]

What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

2 words. NULL. TELL.

BM

god, i keep pointing out how much scum love to try and undermine other peoples' town reads, and they just keep doing it anyway. it makes them so obvious.

[Battle Mage]

oh, also add

sensfan?

to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little

I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?

BM

i don't, and i'm not, but what he

has

added has been scummy. but well done defending him by trying to undermine the validity of my calling him scummy. thats pretty damn scummy in itself on your part.

bmscum exponentially increases the chances of sensfanscum, and vice versa

Lol, CALM DOWN DEAR!
You said you didnt want to string up a lurker because you already had a good suspect. Then you suggest a lurker, and offer no reasoning other than 'hes a lurker'. What else do you expect me to think?

Unvote, Vote: Roflcopter

You seem panicked.

BM

[Elmo]

BM, stop living up to your title.

[roflcopter]

and elmo, how would you know anything about who is and isn't scum if you have no plans to actually read the thread until page 20?

oh i know, because you're scum, so you can just manufacture checks and xes at your whim, placing some scumpartners in the check column and some in the x column to keep us guessing.

shouldn't have admitted that you had no intention to actually read the thread yet before you pulled that little stunt though

[Battle Mage]

What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

2 words. NULL. TELL.

BM

god, i keep pointing out how much scum love to try and undermine other peoples' town reads, and they just keep doing it anyway. it makes them so obvious.

vote stands. I'm sorry if you resent the fact that i'll pick apart BS when i see it. Actually, i'm not. And i dont suppose you were one of the people who questionned my town read on CKD?

BM

[Korts]

Damn, BM. That's so much BS. Please consider the thought that rofl called SF out on what scummy thing he did

when

he did it.

[Battle Mage]

BM, stop living up to your title.

Only if you stop living up to yours! roflmao!

Unvote, Vote: Elmo

BM

[roflcopter]

oh, also add

sensfan?

to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little

I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?

BM

i don't, and i'm not, but what he

has

added has been scummy. but well done defending him by trying to undermine the validity of my calling him scummy. thats pretty damn scummy in itself on your part.

bmscum exponentially increases the chances of sensfanscum, and vice versa

Lol, CALM DOWN DEAR!
You said you didnt want to string up a lurker because you already had a good suspect. Then you suggest a lurker, and offer no reasoning other than 'hes a lurker'. What else do you expect me to think?

Unvote, Vote: Roflcopter

You seem panicked.

BM

you seem to be the one who is panicking, chainsaw defending sens against a suspicion that didn't even come with a vote attached.

[Korts]

Lol @ four-way multi-post