QFT.Farkshinsoup wrote: Xtoxm would be our best lynch candidate even without the investigations. Vote:Xtoxm Why so reluctant to talk at this point, Xtoxm? Every time you've gotten close to being lynched you've done something to try to shut down discussion (the self-vote, now the silent treatment).
It is useless today. How we proceed depends if we trust both cops are telling the truth and if we want to spend a day confirming their sanity. Until we confirm their sanity, the results mean nothing (you made a big point about this yesterday). The only way to confirm their sanity is through Xtoxm's death.icemanE wrote: So bio, what do you want to do with our cop data then? Throw it out completely?
It can rule out a few possibilities if we find out Xtoxm is scum, but not many. Just that either cop could not be insane (if he is scum) or that they can't be sane (if he isn't).Knight of Cydonia wrote:I'm happy to lynch a scummy player to confirm cop sanities - that way we kill two birds with one stone: a scummy player, and the questions surrounding our cops.
Read the thread. Fark already asked this question, and ZazieR answered. I'm not giving my reaction either way on ZazieR's answer until G-Force answers it.icemanE wrote:@ The Cops:
Why did you guys pick Xtoxm to investigate?
I'm not so sure about the bolded part. One sane, one insane and one naive/paranoid would be an interesting mix. I grant that for me to be right about xtomx that would mean q21 was the sane cop.Farkshinsoup wrote: I think we can use our powers of deduction here.I find it hard to believe that we would have 3 cops, with 2 of them giving misleading and useless results. It would be way too unbalanced in favour of scum. This of course, assumes that q21 was a "useful" cop with a sane or insane sanity. If he was naive or paranoid, that would make it even more unlikely.
That having been said, bionic is right, if all you're going by is the investigation results, then there is an equal chance that xtoxm is town or scum. But, if we want to find out, then we have to lynch Xtoxm to verify their sanities and/or cop claims.
I don't think you have to "throw out" the investigation results, but you should not trust them as the main reason for lynching xtoxm.
Please stop adding the guilty reports to your argument as if they have any relevance to Xtoxm's alignment.Knight of Cydonia wrote:I can't believe people are actually arguing AGAINST lynching an incredibly scummy player, who has now resorted to lurking and refusing to speak, AND has two cop results of guilty against him.
icemanE wrote:I don't like the way chaz is defending the scummiest player AGAINST TWO GUILTIES.chaz wrote: Also, I don't like icemanE pushing the two gulities on Xtomx.
Putting it in bold does not make it important.bionicchop2 wrote: Please stop adding the guilty reports to your argument as if they have any relevance to Xtoxm's alignment.
...what's in bold?bio wrote: Putting it in bold does not make it important.
I meant CAPSicemanE wrote:...what's in bold?bio wrote: Putting it in bold does not make it important.
So your hunch is all 3 were / are sane? Or 2 are sane and one is irregular? Or do you somehow know all 3 were telling the truth? Do you know both alive 'cops' are definitely cops? Q21 could be sane, one of the alive could be insane and the other could be fake.icemanE wrote: Clearly some players are trying to get us offtrack here, dismissing cop reports. I don't know, I have a really good feeling in my stomach that the mod isn't going to throw more than two irregular cops into the game.
No, using them as any lynch justification is ridiculous and just scummy.icemanE wrote: Dismissing the two reports is just riduculous.
icemanE wrote: ... if we don't figure out whether or not our cops are sane or insane (and I HIGHLY DOUBT all of them are sane), we won't have a useful result EVER!
and then even today (nice dramatic sigh BTW):icemanE wrote:This is ridiculousness. Are you going to trust anything these cops say unless their sanity is cleared up? If so, why? Are we simply going to lynch whomever they target tomorrow simply to decide whether or not they're sane? Isn't that more of a waste? Why aren't you thinking rationally?
=====icemanE wrote:*sigh*
Sanities are not confirmed. I don't know if I can trust the guilty. We'll see what the other cop has to offer.
I am reading the game (just keeping with the current posts while I do a full analysis of the game which I am halfway through). The PBPA is not for my convenience. I will form my own opinion on if I think Xtoxm is scum. I want to know KoC's reasons so I can form my own opinion on KoC. I think you are confusing asking somebody to give me reasons to vote and asking somebody to justify their own vote.icemanE wrote: Bio, if you don't see why Xtoxm is the scummiest thus far REGARDLESS of the reports, you need to read the game, not have someone lay out a PBPA for YOUR convenience.
No.So your hunch is all 3 were / are sane?
Maybe.Or 2 are sane and one is irregular?
No.Or do you somehow know all 3 were telling the truth?
No.Do you know both alive 'cops' are definitely cops?
Yes.Q21 could be sane, one of the alive could be insane and the other could be fake.
That's what I said. Then the other cop said he had a guilty. Ta da.Sanities are not confirmed. I don't know if I can trust the guilty. We'll see what the other cop has to offer.
That's what I said. Then the other cop said he had a guilty. Ta da.[/quote]icemanE wrote: Sanities are not confirmed. I don't know if I can trust the guilty. We'll see what the other cop has to offer.
...You're saying I ignored my own quotes?bio wrote: Yes, but the other 'guilty' did not confirm any sanities. Yesterday you were quite clear that the reports were meaningless unless sanities were confirmed (you ignored those 2 quotes).
Why do you want me to speculate on roles?bio wrote: I would like your thoughts on the possible roles of Zazier and G-Force with an explanation of why.
I understand this in your case, but the tag-along comment about the guilty reports implies it is evidence against Xtoxm.Knight of Cydonia wrote:I'm not saying "lynch Xtoxm because of cop results". I'm saying, lynch Xtoxm because of scumminess, and along teh way, we should narrow down our (claimed) cop's sanities.
I agree with a lynch on Xtoxm would help reveal sanity. I don't argue that point. I am mostly pressing iceman for inconsistencies in his statements. He also is asserting Xtoxm as the scummiest player without citing any actual reasons other that Xtoxm giving up. Mr Adams did a similar on D1 when it first looked like he would get lynched earlier in the day.icemanE wrote: I don't like the way chaz is defending the scummiest player AGAINST TWO GUILTIES.