Mini 680: Portlandia- Game Over!

[Xtoxm]

I know how you feel Bio.

Vote Count as of post 400
(3)Xtoxm: Y.C, Zazier, Knight of Cydonia
(3)ZazieR: q21, Riceballtail, Xtoxm
(1)Mr_Adams: TheSweatpantsNinja,


Not Voting: X, Mr_Adams, Farkshinsoup, bionicchop2, chazworthington

7 votes to lynch.

[q21]

@Cops, do your PM's imply at all that you are the only cop in town?

No, my PM says I am "a" Cop, not "the" Cop. Doesn't change that I think Zazier's scum.

[Xtoxm]

Nor for me, but I thought it was worth asking.

[Mr_Adams]

@Cops, do your PM's imply at all that you are the only cop in town?

No, my PM says I am "a" Cop, not "the" Cop. Doesn't change that I think Zazier's scum.

Q21, I know your not stupid enough to claim cop for no reason. I think your scum trying to make people think your a cop. In fact, I'm pretty well sure of it.

unvote Vote Q21

[Riceballtail]

Interesting claims, but my problem is that I'm not sure which to believe more. However, I'm leaning towards Q21, as Zaz could be just trying to get people off the wagon to avoid the lynch, or is exchanging scum for a cop. Either way, this will get more review tomorrow, when we have a lynch.

[bionicchop2]

@Cops, do your PM's imply at all that you are the only cop in town?

No, my PM says I am "a" Cop, not "the" Cop. Doesn't change that I think Zazier's scum.

Q21, I know your not stupid enough to claim cop for no reason. I think your scum trying to make people think your a cop. In fact, I'm pretty well sure of it.

unvote Vote Q21

Read the whole thread and then try again.

[Mr_Adams]

Not sure if this is the right move or not, but whatever.

Zazier is not the cop. I am the cop.

Haha, I'm an idiot. I skipped an entire page when reading!
Now, I see the dilemma. for now

unvote

[Mr_Adams]

Hmmm... I'm not seeing this Zazier thing. Zazzy made it clear that if his questions were answered he'd start posting more, and that he's not posting due to lack of things to respond to. To be honest, I'm more inclined to believe that the people who placed votes on Zazzy are more likely to be scum than Zazzy himself...

What has led you to reverse your opinion of Zazier since you last posted?


Everyone, we're in the "x" portion of the 3n+X days, so we need to make a lynch happen soon.

My vote was a vote to get the lurkers attention. now it's turning to a bandwagon.

And thanks for reminding me

unvote

I don't understand your answer. Your vote was on RBT, I believe. I was asking about your change in opinion on Zaz

Also, I'm going to

Unvote

while I try to sort through the duel cop claim.

Wow, your right... I remembered posting something to the affect of "Zazier is even more worthless [in this game] than myself" and assumed that that was where my vote lay...

[Mr_Adams]

But Adams, would you be willing to vote Zaz if your vote was required to avoid a no-lynch?

I really think Zaz is a good choice for scum, and we don't want to no-lynch today, that won't help at all.

In the case of no defining vote being placed, wouldn't the person with the most votes get lynched? But, yes, if it were required to avoid a no lynch, I'd reluctantly give the final blow.

Ok, I'm done for now. Montey Python is on... TTYL

[ZazieR]

Q21 is right. The PM says that I'm a cop. And if someone of you should know that this happened before it's bionicchop2. In another game in which bionnicchop2 and I played, the PM's of the cops said also 'you're a cop' (mini 664 modded by incognito)

Also how many times do I need to repeat that I've asked questions to which I would like an answer?

[bionicchop2]

Why vote Chaz for being opportunistic at the Adams wagon, but no vote for a different player being opportunistic at the xtoxm and my own wagon?

I never called anybody else opportunistic. If you felt somebody was opportunistic, you should identify who they are and vote them. None of the votes on Xtoxm seemed opportunistic since he he has a play style that is confusing and generally picks up votes in all games I play with him.

Nobody on your wagon is opportunistic because I think you are scum. If something happens to prove this wrong, I will take another look at the people who voted you.

And if someone of you should know that this happened before it's bionicchop2. In another game in which bionnicchop2 and I played, the PM's of the cops said also 'you're a cop' (mini 664 modded by incognito)

Yes, there have also been many games with 1 cop I can link you to. The game you reference had time period which were activated at night and is nothing like this game. Q21 has played protown. You have not. If you are a real cop, then learn to be a more active player in future games.

[Xtoxm]

I would say X's did, and i'm finding X very scummy, if he wasn't as good as clear then i'd be very suspicious of him.

[X]

Right. So I doubt that there are multiple cops - in my mind I would say having a jester is more likely.

If ZazieR is scum, then she wasn't very smart to claim Cop. Why? Because she'd know that I'm not scum, therefore telling the truth about being a miller, therefore that there was an actual Cop. So hyposcum ZazieR must have expected a counter-claim.
As for q21, I think he's been very pro-town. A little jumpy and quick to unvote in the beginning, but that makes very little sense whether he's town or mafia. So it's really hard for me to think he's lying.

Somewhat related is something I've realized about this game. I really don't like 3 people's playstyles: Mr_Adams, Riceballtail, and Xtoxm. I think Xtoxm is the scummiest of the bunch for a variety of reasons.

And in light of recent developments, I think I've found a fairly good plan of action that involves lynching him.

Vote Zazier

She has laid low and is voting for X. I think this could be a good way to go.

I think that at this point in the game, it couldn't be bussing. Basically, I doubt Xtoxm and ZazieR are scumbuddies. So if we get a scum on Xtoxm (by lynching him), it will tell us that ZazieR is telling the truth.
To complete the plan, ZazieR and q21 can investigate each other. Doctor saves one of them. That will get rid of the confusion of 2 Cops, one way or the other.

I'm probably overlooking something, but I think it's definitely worth considering.

Vote: Xtoxm

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[bionicchop2]

To put it bluntly - your plan sucks X. Any result on Xtoxm would be WIFOM. To say that Zazier is town if Xtoxm comes up town is very, very, very flawed.

In my experience so far, the counter-claim has been telling the truth 100% of the time in any game I have played. Reasons for Zazier-scum to claim cop are simply to out a real cop on the way out as she was the most likely to be lynched. Also, there is a general tendency to let both claims live when done this early (I have made that mistake before and you are coming up with a plan now which leaves both alive).

What it comes down to is there is no advantage for scum to ever counter claim a cop. Finding the cop is a small victory on its own for scum, and they lose the advantage of knowing the cop if they are just giving up one of their own afterwards.

My vote will be on Zazier before deadline. There is nothing to gain by lynching anybody who didn't claim cop today.

[Xtoxm]

Yes, it does suck.

Although, Bio - There can be. There are 3 scum, sometimes it's better to leave conflcting cop claims alive and get results (NOT on each other), and lynch someone else.

But in this circumstance, i'm happy lynching Zaz, not seeing Zaz-Town and not seeing Q21-Scum.

[Mr_Adams]

She has laid low and is voting for X. I think this could be a good way to go.

I think that at this point in the game, it couldn't be bussing. Basically, I doubt Xtoxm and ZazieR are scumbuddies. So if we get a scum on Xtoxm (by lynching him), it will tell us that ZazieR is telling the truth.
To complete the plan, ZazieR and q21 can investigate each other. Doctor saves one of them. That will get rid of the confusion of 2 Cops, one way or the other.

I'm probably overlooking something, but I think it's definitely worth considering.

Vote: Xtoxm

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Ok, so what exactly does the two investigating each other do? If one gets NKed, the invetigation is nill. If one is scum, and the other doesn'e get killed, they both come back saying "I investigated him/her! (S)he IS SCUM! LYNCH NOW! Then we've advanced 2 steps to the rear, by ending day one on a town lynch, and giving the mafia a NK.

[Xtoxm]

Adams, you have screwed up the quote tags and your vote counts, please unvote as i'm close to being mislynched.

And yes, pretty much everything X said there was anti-town.

[bionicchop2]

Although, Bio - There can be. There are 3 scum, sometimes it's better to leave conflcting cop claims alive and get results (NOT on each other), and lynch someone else.

I used to agree with this, but no longer do. I think when you can isolate potential scum to a group of 2 people and give yourself a 50% shot of being correct (again barring a 2-cop game) you should always focus there. If there are 2 scum out of the remaining 10 players, you drop your chances to 20%. More importantly, you end up spending 2 days discussing the conflicting claims instead of 1 since you can't just drop the debate and look for 2 different scum and completely forget about the 2 cop claims. Finally, there is always a chance the scum who claimed cop has some sort of scum role where you don't want them to live another day. They could be a role cop, a role blocker, or something else that helps the scum out.

[q21]

If ZazieR is scum, then she wasn't very smart to claim Cop. Why? Because she'd know that I'm not scum, therefore telling the truth about being a miller, therefore that there was an actual Cop. So hyposcum ZazieR must have expected a counter-claim.

...

Or you're her scumbuddy and she knows you're lying. Or she thinks you might be a serial killer. Or she knows that having a miller doesn't guarantee having a cop.

Everything else bad in this post was mentioned so won't repeat it.

[Mr_Adams]

oops...

unvote

[chazworthington]

Wow, your right... I remembered posting something to the affect of "Zazier is even more worthless [in this game] than myself" and assumed that that was where my vote lay...

Good. So again, I'm going to ask why in post 333 you thought Zaz was scum and then in post 346 you didn't like the Zaz wagon.

Regarding X's suggestion: Mr. Adams is correct. The best case senario in this instance (assuming only one cop) is for both to come back tomorrow with a gulity on his other. The worst case would be for one to be a godfather. Further, this plan would potentially give scum info as to whether there is a doc or not.

Assuming one cop, we're at the best case scenario NOW, although it soulds like Zaz is implynig that his PM leaves open the possibility of there being more than one cop? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I am currently leaning toward Zaz as the lynch, but I want to finish my re-read AND I want the replacements to opine as well.

[Mr_Adams]

Wow, your right... I remembered posting something to the affect of "Zazier is even more worthless [in this game] than myself" and assumed that that was where my vote lay...

Good. So again, I'm going to ask why in post 333 you thought Zaz was scum and then in post 346 you didn't like the Zaz wagon.

Regarding X's suggestion: Mr. Adams is correct. The best case senario in this instance (assuming only one cop) is for both to come back tomorrow with a gulity on his other. The worst case would be for one to be a godfather. Further, this plan would potentially give scum info as to whether there is a doc or not.

Assuming one cop, we're at the best case scenario NOW, although it soulds like Zaz is implynig that his PM leaves open the possibility of there being more than one cop? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I am currently leaning toward Zaz as the lynch, but I want to finish my re-read AND I want the replacements to opine as well.

I think Zaz is scum, but I'm not sure enough. I think the wagon picked up to quickly. I think she's scum, but am not sure enough for a quick lynch.

[X]

My bad. You guys have convinced me.

Unvote: Xtoxm

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Vote: ZazieR

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The only reactions that I feel that I really have to respond to are these two:

And yes, pretty much everything X said there was anti-town.

Only if you really believe I was trying to mislead everyone. I've never been in a counter-claim situation before, or even read it on the site.

Ok, so what exactly does the two investigating each other do? If one gets NKed, the invetigation is nill. If one is scum, and the other doesn'e get killed, they both come back saying "I investigated him/her! (S)he IS SCUM! LYNCH NOW!

What you said is correct. The situation that you missed is if they are both Cop and neither are killed. They both come back saying that they're both clean. At the same time, I do see now how it's not worth it.

[Xtoxm]

I said anti-town, not scummy, you are confusing the two.

[Mr_Adams]

Zazzy is L-1. do we really want him lynched? I'll place the lynching vote if the rest of the town wants it, I just think to little has been said to hammer yet.