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[armlx]

Santos seems town to me, especially given with his meta.

What meta?

[SocioPath]

Santos seems town to me, especially given with his meta.

What meta?

Exactly.

Not having a meta is meta as well.

[CarnCarn]

How do you deduce he's town from his metaless meta?

[SocioPath]

How do you deduce he's town from his metaless meta?

I get the general sense of newbie cluelessness.

From what I've noticed from newbies, and newbie games, is that they have their own perspective on things generally, which is the vibe I am getting from him.
And since I feel that he fits that part of such, my general perspective on meta of that character type fits in with a more town-like course of actions of what he has done so far.

This is his first, and only game on the site. That is, unless he is just an Alt, then my read on him is shot to pieces.

[CarnCarn]

I get the general sense of newbie cluelessness.

Oh, I agree with you. This is basically the only thing that's keeping me from voting him: the possibility that he is just playing poorly as a townie, and getting attacked by veterans (possibly scum).

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
Santos (6): ZazieR, Moses le fou, Save the Dragon, ZTR, hp [leaves], Sineish
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath
Riceballtail (1): Battle Mage
armlx (1): Riceballtail
ZTR (1): Empking

Not voting (6): Thunder, Santos, CarnCarn, armlx, ribwich, oEJo

With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.

Lynch Method Vote Count:
Rope (7): Save the Dragons, Riceballtail, Empking, Moses le fou, CarnCarn, ZazieR, ZTR
Gun (7): hp [leaves], oEJo, ribwich, SocioPath, Battle Mage, armlx, Sineish

Not voting for a lynch method (1): Thunder, Santos

If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Rope would be used.

[armlx]

Socio: Who do you suggest as scum then?

[Santos]

I swear, no matter what game it is I play in, if I am a regular townie, I am always a terrible player. I know how to be conservative otherwise :p

[SocioPath]

I swear, no matter what game it is I play in, if I am a regular townie, I am always a terrible player.

That is, unless he is just an Alt, then my read on him is shot to pieces.

Socio: Who do you suggest as scum then?

STD.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Santos

STD and Armlx have me convinced. But STD-take your vote off Rope please!

BM

[armlx]

STD.

I'm interested.

Unvote

Elaborate please.

This also has to do with how BM's vote swapped right after you said that.

[Battle Mage]

STD.

I'm interested.

Unvote

Elaborate please.

This also has to do with how BM's vote swapped right after you said that.

Actually, i'd been thinking about it since STD's post on the last page. 497 doesnt show him in the best of lights, and i think the reason this wagon is stalling as opposed to disintegrating is that Santos is actually scum.
I have to say, it hasn't escaped my attention that you were pushing a Santos-lynch from off-wagon. But this is just an instinct call now.

BM

[armlx]

I have to say, it hasn't escaped my attention that you were pushing a Santos-lynch from off-wagon. But this is just an instinct call now.

Hmm... I seem to have forgotten about my unvote when we were discussing the lynch method. As evidenced by my reunvote, I clearly intended to be on said wagon.

[Battle Mage]

This is the one game we've shared of late where i DON'T think you are scum. dont jinx it!

BM

[Save The Dragons]

I still maintain that I was the first of these 3 claimed masons to actually come forth with an actual role name.

October 16th:

I agree with Santos' idea to delay the choice of method.

unvote

I also

unvote

and

vote: moses

because I'm thinking he's trying too hard and pointing out ideas is a

neighbor's

duty.

October 19th:

'Neighbor'

All in all, looking at the Santos wagoning, it seems both scum driven, as well as town driven.

This, but

Santos seems town to me, especially given with his meta.

Not this.

How do you deduce he's town from his metaless meta?

I get the general sense of newbie cluelessness.

That's not no meta, that's a specific meta. What's your point with the no meta thing?

Socio: Who do you suggest as scum then?

STD.

I KNEW IT!

K, seriously...now that you've danced around this for a couple of posts, care to explain why?

BM: Sorry about this, but can you point out any post again where you explain why gun is preferred to rope?

[Battle Mage]

Rope lynches scum, gun kills townies.

If Santos thought this at the beginning then why would he choose gun? That's why i think rope is the right choice for him.

But if you think gun is the right choice, then why is that?

Simple really. Now his choice REALLY MATTERS because he is quite likely to die today, he chose to vote for Rope. Hence, it is likely that, IF he is scum, Gun is his weakness. This logic will be WIFOM after today, so let's make the most of it.

As far as your logic goes, you assume that if Santos is scum, he would be telling the truth. Somehow, i find this doubtful. But, if you assume he is scum, the only motive he would have for that comment, would be to persuade the town to use ROPE, and NOT GUN. Hence, your argument further reinforces that Gun is the weapon most likely to kill him.

BM

This one should suffice.

[ribwich]

This post is pretty much just to let everyone know I'm not idling. I'm getting caught up as quickly as I can and I should have something to say this weekend.

[CarnCarn]

Socio: Who do you suggest as scum then?

STD.

I KNEW IT!

K, seriously...now that you've danced around this for a couple of posts, care to explain why?

STD, in light of your recent Neighbor claim... some things that stick out in a re-read:

it's logical to assume that he must have been named to you in your role.

How can you be so sure about what he said that allows you to think he must have armlx in his PM? You seriously think he couldn't

a) be making shit up
b) have misread something <===this is my pick right now.
c) have received information pre game from the mod
d) have picked up a meta tell
e) be reading too much into BM's mention of armlx's name.

This is before I actually claimed what my role was, but I figured Neighbor is a relatively vanilla role that others might has as well. What would I have misread? You have the same info about someone in your own role PM that should make you suspicious of them (even if you are scum, but especially if you are town).

Carncarn, are you going to talk about it, or are you just going to dangle this piece of candy in front of us and withdraw your hand at the last minute? I don't really respond to arguments like, "I have info, but I'm not sayin' nothin'."

It sounds like you were pushing me to reveal myself here. Not cool - I was waiting for armlx to commit either way to whether he has me named in his role PM and whether I was described as unconfirmed.

@hp [leaves]: I'm a little disappointed with your latest contribution. Anyone looking suspicious to you?

This is your only communication with your mason partner before he claimed.

Your role PM better say that your buddy is confirmed, or I'm probably not taking my vote off you. I'm not really sure how you can be bugged by someone having your own role.

What?? This really bothers me. How could it possibly say his buddy was confirmed? You have the same role info as me and armlx. It just sounds like you were trying too hard to get Santos nailed.

This. Even if a partner does come out, I'm sold.

Confirm vote: Santos

die scum die.

Huh? Again, just reads of trying too hard.

(and actually claiming Neighbor doesn't really affect anything, because it doesn't mean you can't be scum...)

How do you know this? Are you sure scum can be both Neighbor

and

another role name? Only if you were scum yourself could you know this.

I can't help myself. The claim for having a mason and NOT knowing the other mason's alignment bugs me. Is there more we can break from this? Obviously the plain fact that they're masons we would naturally assume they would both be town aligned, but adding in the fact that they do not know each other's alignment makes me a lot more skeptical. I mean, what good is having this ability? EX: If I were in CarnCarn/armlx's shoes why not just talk in the game thread to each other?

He has the exact same role! How can he say that them having something he doesn't have bothers him?

Seriously. Armlx and CarnCarn, masons, are like Santos and oEJo. So why is he doubting something their role doesn't have if he doesn't have it himself? If he sees that they have the exact same details as him, that should help confirm them as their role (not alignment, of course, but their role).

And yet, while you accuse Santos of obfuscating armlx's and my own role claim, you are guilty of doing similar things.

Goddamnit. The Santos wagon is riddled with scum.

Ironic, but thanks for the tip.

Vote: Save The Dragons
Unvote: Rope
Vote: Gun

[armlx]

The thing that confuses me is why STD and hp let us carry on so long on the false premise of 2/4 being scum.

[CarnCarn]

The thing that confuses me is why STD and hp let us carry on so long on the false premise of 2/4 being scum.

Yeah, this is especially confusing:

My bad to RBT and armlx...I did miss the S1-S2 and T-T possibility. Still, I'm not going to discount the possibility of 3+ mason sets so easily (even if it does seem a little weird).

When were you planning to reveal this info, if at all? Did you think it was anti-town to reveal it?

[hp [leaves]]

I've been planning to reveal myself since October 16th. I revealed myself when Moses came up with the idea of doing lynches by the symetry of masons.

[bird1111]

Prodding Thunder again. He has 48 hours to post or be replaced.

[armlx]

I've been planning to reveal myself since October 16th. I revealed myself when Moses came up with the idea of doing lynches by the symetry of masons.

I brought that up as soon as Santos claimed, which was October 16thish.

[Riceballtail]

UNVOTE; Vote:STD; Vote:Gun

Let's see where this wagon goes. I'm liking armlx more as of late. Still IGMEOY though.

[ZTR]

I swear, no matter what game it is I play in, if I am a regular townie, I am always a terrible player. I know how to be conservative otherwise :p

Don't insult yourself. It's pretty much taking away all hope for improvement.