Newbie 74 - Game Over

Myopia · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:47 am

Actually I think that jagged has lurked enough that its worth a vote so

vote jagged

Talitha · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:51 pm

Myopia wrote:I agree that talitha seems like she is lying low. Shes seems a bit more like an impartial observer who chimes in with basis strategy tips - helpful but frankly if she was mafia it would be very hard to tell as she keeps it very close to the chest. Im not trying to bandwagon her Id just like to hear what she thinks.

It's a fair comment. I don't expect that anyone would be able to tell if I am innocent or not at this stage. I'd probably give the same advice that I have given, whether I was scum or not.

Myopia · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:16 pm

[/quote] It's a fair comment. I don't expect that anyone would be able to tell if I am innocent or not at this stage. I'd probably give the same advice that I have given, whether I was scum or not.[/quote]

See what I mean. The statement is completely and undoubtedly 100% correct while simultaneously of no asisstance whatsoever.

kieron · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:35 pm

Myopia wrote:

It's a fair comment. I don't expect that anyone would be able to tell if I am innocent or not at this stage. I'd probably give the same advice that I have given, whether I was scum or not.[/quote]

See what I mean. The statement is completely and undoubtedly 100% correct while simultaneously of no asisstance whatsoever.

[/quote]

T seems on the up and up to me (ie, town helpful)...

Talitha · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:39 pm

It's a meta-game strategy I guess. If I act differently when I'm town to how I act as scum, I wouldn't do very well in games where I was scum. There are ways you could get a decent idea whether I'm scum or not, but I'm not going to tell you if I don't have to.

Sticking with my InHim vote.

Myopia · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:04 pm

Guys my access will be patchy if at all over the next 72 hours as I have a long weekend and am trying to avoid work during that period.

Jaggedcrags · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:04 am

Sorry for not posting for a really long time, guys - hardly had any time this week to even go online at all. Anyway, school's finally out, so I hope to post more frequently now.

This game is a lot tougher than I thought it would be. I thought I had a good grasp of strategy after reading through several threads, but apparently I overestimated my analytical skills. I honestly cannot really see how we can tell if someone is mafia at this point. I will say though that I cannot refute JDTAY's doc claim. If no one else claims, is it safe to assume that it's true? His attitude did set me off a bit though...

unvote

for now, I guess. No reason to keep it.

kieron · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:33 am

Jaggedcrags wrote:[snip]

This game is a lot tougher than I thought it would be. I thought I had a good grasp of strategy after reading through several threads, but apparently I overestimated my analytical skills. I honestly cannot really see how we can tell if someone is mafia at this point.[snip]

unvote
for now, I guess. No reason to keep it.

Well, I agree, basically, which is why I though no lynch would be good. I don't see how we can analyze without any information!

On the other hand, we DO seem to know that JD isn't mafia now. That helps a bit.

Unless...

Wouldn't it be a good townie strategy for a non-doc townie to claim doctor, then have the mafia try to kill him that night, while the REAL doc protects him? And since this would be a good townie strategy, wouldn't it be a good mafia strategy as well (to claim to be the doc)?

I guess this line of reasoning goes on ad-infinitum, so maybe we know nothing at all.

Anyway, since Jagged unvoted me, I'll do the same,

Unvote: JaggedCrags

Talitha · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:01 pm

It's not reaaly a good strategy for a plain townie to claim doc. The real doc has no way of knowing that the false-claimer is not a scumbag, and the end result would be to expose the doc anyway, and get a townie lynched.

So what are we going to do about the lack of scummy acting people around here? Anyone got an idea?

JDTAY · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:03 pm

Uh, I have an idea, but you're probably opposed to it.

still voting: Talitha

Talitha · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:05 pm

Bring it on

kieron · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:56 am

Talitha wrote:It's not reaaly a good strategy for a plain townie to claim doc. The real doc has no way of knowing that the false-claimer is not a scumbag, and the end result would be to expose the doc anyway, and get a townie lynched.

So what are we going to do about the lack of scummy acting people around here? Anyone got an idea?

Why would the end result be to expose the doc? The real doc could stay hidden, assuming the cliamer is a townie - and protect him night 1. This would be a major coup for the town, but may be outweighed by the liklihood that the false cliamer is mafia. If the false claimer is mafia, the doc will know day 2 and the real doc can claim at that point. I guess it all hinges on how likely it is that the false claimer is a townie.

As far as ideas go, what if we each posted our current % liklihood that each person is mafia, based on their posts to date (with little explaination - at most three words)?

I don't have time to do this right now, but the other game I played in one guy posted it and it was interesting at the very least.

Happy Advent!

mathcam · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:01 am

Official Vote Count

:

Tally (1, JD)
inHim (1, Tally)
JaggedCraggs (1, Myopia)
Myopia (1, Locus)

Not Voting: keiron, jagged, inHim

Cam

Locus Cosecant · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:22 am

I think the idea is that pro-town people never lie, so that when you catch someone in a lie, you can be certain that they're mafia. That social convention is probably to the benefit of the town.

kieron · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:34 am

Locus Cosecant wrote:I think the idea is that pro-town people never lie, so that when you catch someone in a lie, you can be certain that they're mafia. That social convention is probably to the benefit of the town.

Agreed, and good point, but how can we possibly catch someone in a lie day one? It'll take at least until the end of the day to catch them.

Anyway, I guess since I'm supposed to vote for someone

I'll pick Myopia...lots of suspecting, obvious newbieness, pointed a finger at me once...overall, doesn't seem to be as much help to the town as, say, the doctor, or Talithia (as an experienced player):

Vote: Myopia

Myopia · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:52 am

at work on sunday morning

kieron wrote:
Anyway, I guess since I'm supposed to vote for someone I'll pick Myopia...lots of suspecting, obvious newbieness, pointed a finger at me once...overall, doesn't seem to be as much help to the town as, say, the doctor, or Talithia (as an experienced player):

Vote: Myopia

Im not objective but the anti-me logic is just getting crappier and crappier.
Dude if suspecting and fingerpointing is suspicious then are you playing the right game

Go back and read the post where I supposedly attack you.

Are you voting on helpfulness or are you voting for someone who you think is scum? I think it is a valid question.

The doctor is dead by dawn. And if you think talitha is being particularly helpful then I really do pity you if she turns out to be scum (which is just as likely as anyone else at this point.

unvote jagged

Talitha · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:13 pm

I'll re-read and then give my guaranteed inaccurate percentages on who I think is scum.

kieron · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:06 pm

Myopia wrote:[snip]

Are you voting on helpfulness or are you voting for someone who you think is scum? I think it is a valid question.
[snip]

I have

little idea

who the scum are, so you are as good a target as anyone....here are my % chance of being scum (should add up to 200%, since there are 2 mafia...it's late so my addition may be off):

inHim: 37%
Jagged: 3% (obvious)
JD: 37
LC: 37
Myopia: 63% (already stated)
Tally: 23% (pretty helpful to be mafia)

Locus Cosecant · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:09 pm

kieron, why do you continue to suspect the claimed cop?

strong FOS

kieron.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:23 pm

You mean the claimed doc, right Locus?

And. . . kieron, why is it obvious that jagged is unscummy?

The above doesn't sit right with me.

vote : kieron

Locus Cosecant · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:45 pm

inHimshallibe wrote:You mean the claimed doc, right Locus?

My mistake.

kieron · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:42 am

Whoops - I got Jagged and JD reversed. Should be:

inHim: 37%
Jagged: 37%
JD: 3% (obvious)
LC: 37%
Myopia: 63% (already stated)
Tally: 23% (pretty helpful to be mafia)

kieron · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:44 am

I still gave JD 3% assuming the (very unlikely) scenario I outlined where a townie falsely claims doc...

Locus Cosecant · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:49 am

kieron wrote:I still gave JD 3% assuming the (very unlikely) scenario I outlined where a townie falsely claims doc...

*eyebrow* If he's a townie falsely claiming doc, he still isn't scum, you realize.

kieron · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:15 am

Locus Cosecant wrote:
kieron wrote:I still gave JD 3% assuming the (very unlikely) scenario I outlined where a townie falsely claims doc...
*eyebrow* If he's a townie falsely claiming doc, he still isn't scum, you realize.

Man, I am really slipping! Go ahead and lynch me for being a dumb-arse.

I guess my thinking was that there is still some small chance he is MAFIA and that the real doc THOUGHT he was a townie falsely claiming doc. WHEW. Maybe I out to lower that % to .3%...