Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[Radical Rat]

Alright then, why do you think Dunn is likely my partner? Why does Scum!Rat try to set up an elaborate fakeclaim that forces a 1v1 between my partner and a Townie, guaranteeing Dunn's death either this phase or the next?

[Titus]

Otherwise, I can't see RR's claim as a lie AND Dunn being town in B.

If RR is lying and bussing, it's a step we can deal with after we deal with elo hell in Game A.

[CheekyTeeky]

To be clear, that means, yes, I expect you to claim, Lady Chloe and Titus. Same for Cheeky if she's here. RR and Dunnstral need to claim, too.

So uh.

I said this over 24 hours ago.

My demand for a massclaim is even older, going back to ~48 hours ago.

Neither Cheeky nor Dunn have been here since, and while I am phoneposting and thus cannot verify their whereabouts activity wise, I'm starting to get a little towards their suspiciously long absence.

It looks an awful lot like scum trying to figure out if they should claim PR or VT, and if PR, what to do to avoid me knowing that they're bullshitting.

Sorry catching up now! I'm a VT. I had claimed that when I claimed In B.

[Titus]

Alright then, why do you think Dunn is likely my partner? Why does Scum!Rat try to set up an elaborate fakeclaim that forces a 1v1 between my partner and a Townie, guaranteeing Dunn's death either this phase or the next?

Scum!Rat with T3 doesn't go through that. That's my bet if you're scum which I doubt you are.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Tell me how an RR+Dunn team wins game B if things stay the same

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I don't think they ever do without RR gaining endgame cred somehow

[CheekyTeeky]

Do we have any basis for Dunnstral's extra vote being unaligned other than him saying that he messaged the mod?

Because that is exactly the type of role I would expect scum to have to fuck with Cheeky's role

I confirmed when I claimed that the DL vote was taken into account. Dunn says it's unaligned as in it doesn't have an alignment but it's very possible it's scum because I don't know why a town role has an "unaligned" vote instead of a town vote. If Dunn is telling the truth then house is town if Dunn and DL are scum then House could be too with one parity change taking place after DL and house.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol the peeps who be creeping on me while I was AWOL. Sorry for holding up the game but if you guys did some thinking you wouldn't need to wait for my claim.

[CheekyTeeky]

I am a Town Rolecop Finder in Game A.

Dunn, Chloe, and Dwlee are all not Rolecops.

Hmm. Thoughts on all the scum being role cops? Why did you check those slots?

[CheekyTeeky]

I think we need to hear from T3 about why he fakeclaimed and why he hammered.

T3's desire to avoid questions and then comes out with a suspicious claim may be a stall tactic.

The question I was avoiding is why I thought Dunn was town.
I thought Dunn was town because of my night action result (and it would be suboptimal to claim it yesterday instead of today), so this point is wrong.

It's pretty odd that all the people you checked are still alive ngl.

[Titus]

Tell me how an RR+Dunn team wins game B if things stay the same

I don't think they ever do without RR gaining endgame cred somehow

Here's the problem with RR+Dunn.

RR goes for Amy first. He particularly would jump on my conflict with Amy. Poking and prodding me that Amy was scum for refusing to engage in B.

RR then must kill T3 because conftown.

RR would then have to bus Dunn. Then he'd probably try to kill me.

Then RR would have to hope mastina sides with him. mastina would be kingmaker.

That's the best plan for RR + Dunn.

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RR bussing Dunn today creates an additional conftown and removes a miselimination.

If RR is scum, he doesn't put his partner in a 1 v 1 without going after the other one.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Real question Titus

What do you think is the gameplan of any scumteam that includes Dunn?

How about any that includes Amy?

[Titus]

Real question Titus

What do you think is the gameplan of any scumteam that includes Dunn?

How about any that includes Amy?

Assuming RR town, get doubt on RR and play for 2 miseliminations in Alyssa/House/RR.

Otherwise, flip the other of Amy/Dunn and run the gamut like I explained using mastina as kingmaker.

[CheekyTeeky]

Mastina I'd like to hear your thoughts on A now that the claims should be over.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Ignore the claim, Titus

Assume it's the very start of the day

[Titus]

Ignore the claim, Titus

Assume it's the very start of the day

? I would assume that RR and Dunn would have done the math on RR's claim prior to day entry. Sure, that team would need to shake things up, but not to the point of near autoloss.

If it was RR +Dunn, I would expect a different claim from RR as RR has virtually no chance if Dunn flips scum.

[Titus]

RR would have to depend on miseliminating both you and House, which is possible.

RR + Dunn has a better chance if RR attacks Amy first.

[Titus]

Do you think Dunn is town in A?

[Amy Dunne]

Going to read up but Cheeky town. I’m willing to bet the damn game on that so naysayers can bite me. I had doubts because she is one of the players who had motive to want RCE dead but do do Dunn, T3 and A50 and only one of those needs to be scum but I haven’t yet seen one false not from Cheeky this entire game and if she’s fooling me, I’m nomming her for a scummy because I don’t think so. Chloe you really need to trust me on this. My strong gut town reads are 80+% accurate and gut really scum reads approximately 70-75%. So far the only really strong gut scumread I had was House in game C which we all know turned out to be right.

[Jingle]

Vote Count Normal.4.03

Dunnstral (E-3):

Titus,

T3 (E-4):

Dwlee99 (E-4):

Radical Rat (E-4):

CheekyTeeky (E-4):

Titus (E-4):

Lady Chloe (E-4):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (6):

T3, Dunnstral, Dwlee99, Radical Rat, CheekyTeeky, Lady Chloe

With 7 alive, it takes

4

to murder/death/kill or

4

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 4 is in (expired on 2021-12-27 03:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.3.01

Dunnstral (E-3):

mastina, Titus,

T3 (E-5):

House (E-5):

Radical Rat (E-5):

Amy Dunne(E-5):

mastina (E-5):

Titus (E-5):

Alyssa the Lamb(E-5):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (6):

T3, Dunnstral, Radical Rat, House, Alyssa the Lamb, Amy Dunne

With 8 alive, it takes

5

to murder/death/kill or

4

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2021-12-24 02:00:00).

[House]

It's rather frustrating too given our record. If you'd talk to engage me in A, you'd see that I'm town that made a mistake.

Throwing down a vote on me without so much as a hello to get the feel of a personal interaction to base you're read on was not "a mistake".

There was no attempt whatsoever to actually sort me.

That's not bitterness. It's prima facie evidence. Can you retire it? Yes. Have you? As of yet, nope.

[House]

It's rather frustrating too given our record. If you'd talk to engage me in A, you'd see that I'm town that made a mistake.

Throwing down a vote on me without so much as a hello to get the feel of a personal interaction to base you're read on was not "a mistake".

There was no attempt whatsoever to actually sort me.

That's not bitterness. It's prima facie evidence. Can you refute* it? Yes. Have you? As of yet, nope.

Fucking edit.

[House]

It's rather frustrating too given our record. If you'd talk to engage me in A, you'd see that I'm town that made a mistake.

Throwing down a vote on me without so much as a hello to get the feel of a personal interaction to base your* read on was not "a mistake".

There was no attempt whatsoever to actually sort me.

That's not bitterness. It's prima facie evidence. Can you refute* it? Yes. Have you? As of yet, nope.

Fucking edit.

x2

[Amy Dunne]

Yeah, so I was a Universal Backup, and I'm Cheeky now.

Dwlee wagon once again has 4 alignment changes. Before and after Demon Lord accounts for two, and mastina's hammer for three. So that's one change unaccounted for.

Dwlee99 (E-0):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe,

Demon Lord

, Dunnstral, T3, mastina,

If RR town, 4 changes

Just saw this. DL is unaligned so counts as 2 changes. Mastina counts as 1 change. Either T3 is a different alignment from me, or Amy is a different alignment from Lady Chloe.

I think RR is lying though. The DL vote went from automatically being the first vote on the wagon regardless of vote time to being in the middle of the pack like a normal vote. This happened after Cheeky died. Or maybe the mod is just inconsistent?

Dunn, if you think he’s lying then you should also think his role is fake too because otherwise I don’t understand this?

[Amy Dunne]

Hey Titus, Who are the scum in A? We’re at freaking elo in A, so why are you are you paying attention almost exclusively to B when one wrong vote could hand scum the game?

It's a generic scum tell.

She's focused on solving B because she doesn't HAVE to solve A.

Well you’d think she’d be interested in in both but especially A. Once RR claimed ub, both

them

anf Titus have mainly been focused on B. Meanwhile me, Chloe and Mastina are primarily concerned with A. Actually Chloe is with both. However me and Mastina are dead in A, so that might partially account for that.

I am very much concerned about A. However, while we wait on claims nothing's really happening there. I've already claimed, I've given my thoughts on the potential solves, but there's not really anything else to say there unless you have a specific question.

Meanwhile there has been a lot of confusion and specific questions in B. It's not that I don't care about A, and I have consistently said we need to settle A before we move on to voting in B. It's just that B actually has active conversations happening.

And?

Yout solve in A is what exactly? Tell me who are the scum in A.

Either T3/Dunn/Cheeky or Dwlee/Dunn/Cheeky. Leaning towards Dwlee because of T3's claim

Is there anyone alive in A other than of course Cheeky who isn’t pushing Cheeky? Maybe not Dunn but if pretty much everyone in A has Cheeky in their solve and -

even more importantly

, she really isn’t pushing anyone - when she isn’t doing anything remotely scummy - what does that tell you?

Cheeky isn’t aligned with anyone.