None of them have reached the 72 hour limit, so no prods are going out just yet.springlullaby wrote:Prod: alvinz95, Ku_F, Scigatt
unvote of Kari - I can't defend against "your satisfaction". I can only give you the points made my kair and germy that made me unvote.Scheherazade wrote:Sekinj leaps to mind. Her account of her unvote of Kairyuu gave me no satisfaction. I may be biased because the explanations came after Kairyuu already claimed mason. As has been stated, her vote for Kairyuu seems more opportunistic than logical (of course, am I not doing the same now!).
I didn't address SL's vote becuase I REALLY thought it was random, this is the third time I've said that. Even after I realized she was serious, I still didn't understand what led to her vote. and I still think it was silly (see: tizzy)Scheherazade wrote:Her dismissal of springlullaby’s early vote for her isn’t itself suspect, but I admit that I expected her to respond with another admonishment to hunt for scum rather than random vote. So it sent a flag up for me. She later seems almost evasive and then almost re-directive (see: tizzy).
Yeah, it was page 3. that shoudl tell you everything right there, even in this game that lacked a random stage. I did not yet have a good enough read on anyone or a case built yet. i don't even know why this is a point of discussion. actually the Majority of players had not yet had a chance to process or post a case... only a few were beginning to point our their initial suspicions. I was just the only one specifically called out because I made a comment against someone's extolation of the random stage.Scheherazade wrote:By three pages in, when many people were introducing material to discuss, she wasn’t prepared to participate fully in the conversation.
Cf's post 100 - again, same answer as before, I'm getting very tired of this question, and the whole SL discussion. I never understood it from the beginningScheherazade wrote:CF Riot makes a good point, I think, against her in post 100, when he points out that scum dislikes drawing attention to accusations.
Should I have made a seperate post for it? In order to get more points from you?? I didn't think afat had posted anything that I could get a read on.Scheherazade wrote:I do give her points for briefly defending a confirmed townie, afatchic, but that was just part of a criticism of Kairyuu.
I don't like talking about old news. I'm going to get annoyed when players are chiming in about a subject that took place 3 pages ago and the player in question hadn't posted in so long that he was being prodded by the mod! germy wasn't relevant at that time!Scheherazade wrote:I think her response to germy being reintroduced as a suspect might itself be suspect. Normally, I’d see nothing wrong, but with everything else, it feels like she’s annoyed because she already knows whether germy is town or scum, which only scum or mason could know at this point… And she’s not a mason, it would seem.
Artem stepped up his attack dramatically after I made the "appease Kair" statement. After that it looked liek Artem went after kair in a fury, so yes, my opinion changed.Scheherazade wrote:Also… Did Sekinj add fuel to the Kairyuu/Artem fire? Maybe unintentionally, but Artem seems to think that Sekinj thought he appeased Kairyuu too much. Was that a weak attempt to make the row the focus of discussion? She then says that Artem is attacking Kairyuu too strongly… I find her involvement in the row irregular.
I see a pattern of you misreading, misunderstanding and trying to find scum where there isn't any.Scheherazade wrote:I know that taken individually, any of these things could be dismissed. What I think is suspect is the pattern. Therefore,Unvote: Kairyuu, Vote: Sekinj
First of all, I like the way you play. I was surprised when you were the only person who mentioned the possibility of a scum gambit. What with the speed that this game got started though, there would have been no time to plan it, since myko couldn't even reply to whether or not he was a miller before we got going (it seems that he isn't since he hasn't claimed it). The claim is no fake though, but thanks for trying. I can't think of any way that we could be confimed by someone else without wasting a power role, but I think it will become obvious as the game progresses that we are telling the truth.I suspect a scum gambit. However, I always suspect a scum gambit. Neither Kairyuu nor mykonian were under particular pressure when Kairyuu alluded to his confirmability, so this mason claim wouldn't be a last ditch effort. Which means, if it is a false claim, they would have to have been planning to make it for some time. And I don't see any real evidence of that.
Thank you. I'm glad that you can see them for what they are now. My conciliatory posts happen sometimes. I have no problem ceding points to other people if I'm wrong and they can prove it. Otherwise, I would be stuck defending assertions that I don't believe to be true, which doesn't help the town.Kairyuu, I respect your gambits and attempts to draw out scum, mainly because your efforts seem like a more refined and developed version of the types of tactics that I try to use. Your conciliatory posts after several people pointed things out to you bothered me, but I can also see what you were attempting.
That was me, and regarding my FOS. I'll address them now.no additional comments about your vote against me? You said you were waiting for my explaination and you have yet to address it.
The lack of consideration is the whole point. afatchic thought he could probably ride on germy's coattails for awhile originally, and then when germy started getting a few votes and several people attacked him for his suggestion of claims, afatchic backed off of the claims to avoid being incriminated by supporting them.I think that afatchic was merely being hasty. I know it’s hard to credit hastiness with producing “one of the most antitown statements I have ever read (73)” et al. but I think that you’ll see that a lack of consideration of the implications of the pseudoclaim lead to early support with increasing doubts like “i don't think any other backup roles or anything should claim” (44). He did stick to his guns in calling for a miller claim, though, rather than just running as far away from germy as possible.
I am not rabid. -foams at the mouth- If afatchic had explained himself sufficiently, then he may have gotten me to back off. He didn't. Instead, he lurked in the hopes that it would go away. I have no respect for that, because it is against the spirit of the game.He began lurking and eventually left because Kairyuu was rather too rabid and the majority of the rest of you rather too eager to play ducklings.
What? You say that I'm still the most suspect, even though claiming mason buddies as scum practically assures a scum loss if they are caught, which they would be simply based on the natural progression of the game. Plus you call for a cop investigation against one of us if we have a cop. Why argue for the wasted investigation? Is it so you can try to kill the cop tonight while no worrying about being targetted if you miss?I’m still rereading and rereading to try to sort a likely suspect after Kairyuu claimed. I still think he’s been the most suspect player. I know that even if he and Myko were lying, they could be easily exposed in the near future (even tonight, if we’ve got a cop).
And how exactly is afatchic confirmed townie? Because to me it looks like he, and therefore you, are the most likely scum currently.I do give her points for briefly defending a confirmed townie, afatchic, but that was just part of a criticism of Kairyuu.
Well, I think the following probablygermy wrote:Kairyuu town !=> afatchic scum
Townie lurkers are relatively easy targets for scum, and this was in fact one of my reasons why was increasingly suspicious of Kairyuu and mykonian, originally. Yet, assuming they are masons, then I think scum would have more likely latched onto afatchic as an easier target. Only Artem agreed, but hesitantly and only briefly. No one else did, implying that afatchic-Scheherazade is indeed scum.Kairyuu + mykonian townie masons => afatchic/Scheherazade scum
and that is strong enough for a vote?shez wrote:@Sekinj: I do apologise for annoying you. I understand that you're tired of hearing about some of the things I mentioned. However tired of them you may be, I do think that they deserve consideration as indications that you might be scum.
I disagree.mykonian wrote:germy, plz vote for the most certain scum first, and then his/her partner. You make less mistakes that way.
Explain how I tried to confuse the search. How was I counterproductive when I was scumhunting? From reading the game you should know that I don't take kindly to people failing to back up their assertions.I meant that you still seem most suspicious because I feel you tried to confuse the search. Understanding that you're a mason, not scum, I suppose you can be explained by not wanting to lose an argument on any points for any reason. That's fair enough, but I do think it became counter-productive at a point.
Fair enough. Not sure if I believe you, but I can't prove that you are lying.When I said that you could be easily confirmed, I see that saying "(even tonight if we have a cop)" looks like an encouragement to use it. I beg pardon. Instead I meant to use it to show how easily your claim could be toppled if you had lied.
Saying "I'm town" over and over again is not going to convince me. Quite the contrary. Insisting on being a townie is rather scummy, because it comes off as being jumpy.When I said "I do give her points..." I meant that I thought her defence of afatchic could indicate innocence. You see, I know that I'm town and if she were scum she would know that as well. While not a strong indication of innocence, I wondered if she-as-scum wouldn't have attacked afatchic as an easy target. Of course I realise that scum doesn't want to take out town perceived to be scum too quickly. Perhaps the remark was useless.
You obviously have never gone to college.(midterms). Also, many of you have posted reams of text that for me to give any reasons as to my positions would just be repetition.germy wrote:Vote: Scigatt
As far as I can tell, you were "caught up" almost a week ago, October 9th-ish. Even then, each time you have posted has simply been to agree with one side of a conflict or another, without adding anything of your own.
While I did read through the first parts of the thread, no posts by afatchic stood out for me, really. I'll re-examine his posts, though.With a week to deadline and 10+ pages of in depth discussion, I don't think any townie should be "happy with their non-voting status" at this point.
Are you saying is that you are only voting for me because of lowered standards?I hate voting lurkers. But with my original top suspects "comfirmed" townies (nod to Kairyuu), and no real suspicions of other posters, I'm reduced to such tactics. With already four replacements in the game, it's going to be hard enough finding scum.
