just likeIn post 1662, Dorsey wrote:Second time in a row, maybe this player base just isn't for me.
post as much as you possibly can
just likeIn post 1662, Dorsey wrote:Second time in a row, maybe this player base just isn't for me.
At this point I think I know what A50 is doing (if i'm wrong then i'll look really stupid postgame )In post 1669, Andresvmb wrote:You’re almost making an argument as to why we should execute you.In post 1616, T3 wrote:like i think i've won most of my recent scumgames? (by recent i mean 3 months lol)
either way you're voting me for disagreeing with you but you aren't pausing to actually invalidate my reasoning
Look, us disagreeing on a bunch of reads doesn’t necessarily mean you’re Scum. That’s obvious. I have gotten a lot of reads wrong in the past, even when I’m paying attention and reading carefully. But I am having specific issues with your reads in that not only am I disagreeing, or think they’re premature perhaps, but they’re also hard to scrutinize. And maybe this is a play style thing. For instance, you’ve made the argument that depending on the level of effort, some players could be Town (Looker in 1581), or Scum (A50 in 514 and 1571, who I agree is not trying particularly hard and is openly admitting to not reading, but also had what I felt was a Towny post in 767). Like I’ll ask you - How can you possibly know that A50’s excuse in 1264 isn’t genuine? You’ve also changed your view of A50 without really explaining it much, just recognizing that you have inconsistencies in your views (see for example, 1299 for what you had previously said about A50). And it’s not like A50 posted all that much between 1299 and 1571. In fact I don’t think they have any posts at all. So that just makes it seem like your read there is entirely made up.
I also don’t understand 1184. Not when you later make 1580 saying you’re still SR’ing Iconeum (and where did you initially express that read? I can’t find it. Is it 376?). Or your attack on 956 regarding my read of Salsa which you immediately decided to back up after I explained it in 959. Particularly after your 936. It’s almost as if you’re just trying to cause chaos instead of actually reading anybody properly. You’ve also shaded Three (who I TR), didn’t follow up on that all that much (just 1346 as far as I can tell), and ended up agreeing without expressing much of a read there in 527.
Your read of DW early in the game also seemed a bit TMI’ish, but I didn’t disagree with it then (I’m just being cautious about DW, that’s all).
All in all, you’ve shaded A50, Three, Salsa, Datisi, Ico, Dorsey, and Selynee. Even to me, this seems overly aggressive and yes, opportunistic.
he's solved you already, you're scum, and gamma/me/andres are your buddies for protecting youIn post 1659, geraintm wrote:not me? or have you solved me already?In post 1658, Wiki wrote:Check Gamma/Datisi/Andre
what's the "inconsistency" there? why are you voting t3 if you think that i'm the best yeet here? what *can* i even disagree with you up to this point because you've offered us literally nothing?In post 1671, Dorsey wrote:If I had the same amount of time as previous games, I could reference posts, but there are too many posts, multiple games, and not enough free time. And then Datisi said he didn't even disagree with me, that he just wanted more, but he's comfortable letting other players slide. And I can understand that if he's scum, but for multiple people not to see the inconsistency but to just go with that. Why would I prolong my stay in that?
...In post 1682, Dorsey wrote:And another thing. My votes were criticized but looking back they were extremely minimal impact, so why does it matter?
are you intentionally being dense and pretending that my reads weren't explained? what, you can't accuse me of changing my reads without explanation, so you accuse me of... changing my reads?In post 1684, Wiki wrote:Few datisi's posts laterIn post 1230, Datisi wrote:i think i'm in agreement with andres that dorsey kinda doesn't feel like scum here
like, i dunno, scum usually at least *tries* to have some sorta progression or appearing of being solvey or whatever
while dorsey lowkey gives zero shits right now
that said at some point i will take the n_m approach to that slot which is solve it before yelo if they don't start actually playing, so
i cannot see thatIn post 1696, Andresvmb wrote:Dorsey is now a bad execution. I hope you can see that yeah? Which means, you should reconsider your worldview a bit. I know I am.
like... two and a half people have expressed a townread on meIn post 1703, Dorsey wrote:Datisi protecting Almost50 and T3, Ico siding with Datisi, everyone thinking Datisi is town for zero reason.
i'm too stupid for this, please explainIn post 1711, Andresvmb wrote:Chances are, my suspicion was way off, and the Scum are knowingly avoiding you. It’s part of the reason I TR Selynee actually (they’ve expressed misgivings of your slot). It’s the sort of thing that would be a total waste coming from Scum.
Dude can you literally talk about anything other than a post from a fucking week ago? You're so focused on something that doesn't matter and you refuse to actually try to solve me. I'm trying to figure you out and you don't even acknowledge it.In post 1728, Datisi wrote:three's read on me is utter bullshit because he's been called out by multiple people as misrepping, which means that maybe, *maybe* your posts are fucking confusing and it's not the rest of us that are wrong
rn i'm leaning on it being town bullshit
but it's bullshit nonetheless
In post 1728, Datisi wrote:vague responses to looker because i am way too tired for a proper wall response:
- wiki's different from the rest of us in that he's very loudly wrong and refuses to listen to anyone but himself
- how the hell am i supposed to press them for info if they're literally not posting? like, do you think that if i repost the question every two hours, it'll make them post?
- mostly going off of your interaction with me - it seemed like you were way more interested in making me look bad for bs contradictions and cheap potshots than actually solving me. i don't think you once said how something is townie or scummy about me, you just kept shading me. if you're actually interested in this and won't just turn it into a nonsense comeback, i can go in depth tomorrow when it's not an hour past my bedtime.
- i'm vibing, their posts make me feel like they're town despite not having much Concrete there, like do you know what a vibe is? and yes i solve a lot on gut
- for the record, there is one of the cheap potshots i am talking about
- i was just repeating ico's words, and also i have given out a read on every person on that wagon, so
- dorsey isn't a50, i know a50 can be a troll as town so yeeting him would be a ~random yeet
- again this also feels like bad faith trying to point out a """contradiction"""
In post 1714, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1325, Three wrote:In post 1242, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1244, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1222, Selynee wrote:This isn't even your post? This is blatant gaslighting.In post 1026, Three wrote:In post 1018, Selynee wrote: And "who do you propose to vote instead?" usually means "Who do you think we should elim" not "I'll vote whomever you say"@Three, this is the 1st post of mine you misinterpreted...
ThanksSely!
Everybody, please vote this scum out of here, holy shit.In post 746, Three wrote:This feels pretty scum indicative. I don't know how you could be so lost on who to vote for that you need someone to tell you who to vote.In post 739, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 732, Selynee wrote:Meh, I think they don't really enjoy this game. Seemed like they were looking for some reactions to their self-vote, though not pushing a lot there...In post 723, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 716, Iconeum wrote:okay, so sell me on scum!A50? i don't see itIn post 709, Salsabil Faria wrote:I don't see the obvious A50 town thing ico.In my pervious games with them, they were more active as town. I don’t have scum meta on them though but they're lurking for some reason and the self vote is weird.Hmm can be, who do you propose to vote instead?
VOTE: Salsa
In post 1731, Three wrote:Like we're on page 70 now and all Datisi can say is "but what about the post you made on page 20" as if that is somehow relevant at all. Especially when it got dealt with four times and that still apparently wasn't enough.
I mean it's the fact they are still here that wouldn't make any sense for mafia!Dorsey. If they had only posted one day and disappear, could have been a case of someone who never communicated with their team. But that's not the case, so maf!them would have a team that I really doubt would be like "Good job, continue to play this way".In post 1721, Three wrote:I don't regret voting Dorsey even if they're town, it got them to talk and made people re-eval their reads. I really don't like their AtE though, I can see why Andres is town reading it, but to me it reeks of "caught for the wrong reasons". There's a massively bitter tone in their posts and they don't even seem to want to be here, but they're still playing so there's some tonal dissonance here as well.
If we're on page 200 and somebody with their back against the wall says "but what about the post you made on page 70" after said post was already addressed and resolved multiple times, then yes, I'll consider it bullshit.In post 1735, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1731, Three wrote:Like we're on page 70 now and all Datisi can say is "but what about the post you made on page 20" as if that is somehow relevant at all. Especially when it got dealt with four times and that still apparently wasn't enough.So, after page 200, page 70 contents will be bullshitted?
Can you please just read my posts? I'm not asking for a lot.In post 1734, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1714, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1325, Three wrote:In post 1242, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1244, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1222, Selynee wrote:This isn't even your post? This is blatant gaslighting.In post 1026, Three wrote:In post 1018, Selynee wrote: And "who do you propose to vote instead?" usually means "Who do you think we should elim" not "I'll vote whomever you say"@Three, this is the 1st post of mine you misinterpreted...
ThanksSely!
Everybody, please vote this scum out of here, holy shit.In post 746, Three wrote:This feels pretty scum indicative. I don't know how you could be so lost on who to vote for that you need someone to tell you who to vote.In post 739, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 732, Selynee wrote:Meh, I think they don't really enjoy this game. Seemed like they were looking for some reactions to their self-vote, though not pushing a lot there...In post 723, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 716, Iconeum wrote:okay, so sell me on scum!A50? i don't see itIn post 709, Salsabil Faria wrote:I don't see the obvious A50 town thing ico.In my pervious games with them, they were more active as town. I don’t have scum meta on them though but they're lurking for some reason and the self vote is weird.Hmm can be, who do you propose to vote instead?
VOTE: SalsaI didn't LIE anything@Three.
What agenda you find from whatever I'm doing here exactly??
In post 1208, Three wrote:Can we stop with the fake misinterpretation accusations? I know what you said. I said scum still do that anyway. This is not a hard concept.In post 1043, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1036, Three wrote:???In post 1033, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1030, Three wrote:Uh, yeah, exactly. Pocketing and/or defending a suspicious townie is a common scum tactic.In post 1011, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 992, Almost50 wrote:I dunno. She tried to pocket me, didn't she? I'm glad to accept that pocket for today.In post 988, Dwlee99 wrote:A50 why not salsaYeah, pocket the person who also in people’s suspect list..This is the 2nd time you're misinterpreting me, but before clear what I ACTUALLY said, are you agreeing you're scummy? Cause I was defending YOU!
You're literally referring to A50 in that post. My name isn't even mentioned there.There is the proof of your misinterpretation of my post:
A50said scum!me is trying to pocket me and I replied sarcastically that yeah, scum!me will pocket the person who themselves in people's suspect list. What I meant there is, if scum!me want to pocket someone, that person would be the widely townread person or someone whose trust would be beneficial for scum!me. But here, people don't trustA50that much, so there is no point for scum!me to pocket them. And you said scum!me is trying to pocket suspicious townie as a scum tactic aka misinterpretation on Jupiter level
In post 1210, Three wrote:THANK YOU. Holy shit, I feel like I'm losing my mind.In post 1169, T3 wrote:>_>In post 1011, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 992, Almost50 wrote:I dunno. She tried to pocket me, didn't she? I'm glad to accept that pocket for today.In post 988, Dwlee99 wrote:A50 why not salsaYeah, pocket the person who also in people’s suspect list..
that's like the entire point of whiteknighting
If they're scum I don't doubt the scum team is trying to coach him in some way. This is anecdotal, but I once had a scum buddy who was playing like Dorsey and wasn't putting in the extra effort to get out of everyone's radar, despite the team telling him to post more and play less like obvscum. Sometimes you just roll scum and can't get out of a funk, so it's not impossible that this is what's happening with Dorsey.In post 1737, Selynee wrote:I mean it's the fact they are still here that wouldn't make any sense for mafia!Dorsey. If they had only posted one day and disappear, could have been a case of someone who never communicated with their team. But that's not the case, so maf!them would have a team that I really doubt would be like "Good job, continue to play this way".In post 1721, Three wrote:I don't regret voting Dorsey even if they're town, it got them to talk and made people re-eval their reads. I really don't like their AtE though, I can see why Andres is town reading it, but to me it reeks of "caught for the wrong reasons". There's a massively bitter tone in their posts and they don't even seem to want to be here, but they're still playing so there's some tonal dissonance here as well.
@DorseyIn post 1699, Dwlee99 wrote:I feel like I need examples cause I don't think I'm reading closely enough to know what your vague references to events meanIn post 1697, Dorsey wrote:@Dwlee - I like the game, I think it's fun, but I think something deeper is going on when it's not lighthearted. And I think you find mafia by randomly pressing different spots until you find a pattern or something to go on, which I think is becoming more apparent: some slots are getting pressed whereas others are not - why? What connection do they have with each other? And how can you clarify that when the "logic" being proposed is inconsistent and cherry-picked? I mean, if you're protecting your friend because you want to play with them longer, just say that. But saying that I'm not contributing because you didn't understand one of my posts is a joke I feel is going over everyone's head but mine.
Oh this is the response. Okay.In post 1703, Dorsey wrote:Datisi protecting Almost50 and T3, Ico siding with Datisi, everyone thinking Datisi is town for zero reason.
true lolIn post 1741, Dorsey wrote:@T3 - Post as much as possible? Isn't that why you hated Wiki?
@Three - What changed was pages went on and geraintm and I got treated differently than Almost50. And regarding my vote, one second me voting someone with no votes is a problem and now it's encouraged and I'm being shunned for not doing it - do you see how pointless this is? T3 actually had a wagon - Datisi did/still does not.