Mini #682: C9++ (Game Over!)

[iamausername]

Votecount #7!

Kairyuu (3) - afatchic, CF Riot, Artem
afatchic (2) - Kairyuu, mykonian
sekinj (1) - Nightwolf
mykonian (1) - germy
Artem (1) - springlullaby

Not voting (4) - alvinz95, Ku_F, Scigatt, sekinj

7 to lynch.

[sekinj]

Well, other than knowing my own alignment to be town, I agree with the idea. I think that if we lynch afatchic then if he flips scum germy will be more likely town, because of the buddying up and then backing down. If he flips town, then I will hope that someone can confirm my alignment, but if they can't then I will not fight against being the D2 lynch, because I was the one who proposed the case in the first place.

This is just a bad logic/thought process for a townie. For a town person to want to an an investigation basically wasted on them or the alternative to accept a D2 lynch? either way we've either wasted a power for the night or lost 2 townies instead of one. I think this is more likely arrogant scum knowing they will invesigate cleanly and get a free pass to the end of the game. If he gets a townie lynched D1, and then gets cleared N1... He really will have a free ride until endgame.
It looks liek Artem thought the same, and that makes me think he really was just defending himself against and over-the-top attack by Kair.

I'd love to see Kair's answers to SL's questions as well.

Vote: Kair

[Scigatt]

Thank you Scigatt. I disagree though, and would appreciate example(s) supporting your point.

I one that I can think of right off the bat is when you made that implicit FoS and insisted on not making one.

You also seemed a lot more emotional in the debate with Artem, and I know from experience that being overly emotional can hamper judgement.

[mykonian]

Kairyuu isn´t looking for the cop. If there is a cop, which I doubt, choose your own play. Let´s keep Kairyuu alive for one day. I think I follow what he is doing and I think he could be right. Also afatchic is now officially lurking.

[mykonian]

And I don´t have the feeling Kairyuu can explain it well.

Although he is right in his feelings toward afatchic. I think afatchic should be our lynch.

[iamausername]

-=alvinz95 has been prodded for the second time=-

-=Nightwolf has been prodded for the first time=-

[germy]

If he flips town, then I will hope that someone can confirm my alignment, but if they can't then I will not fight against being the D2 lynch, because I was the one who proposed the case in the first place.

If you are Town, you should always fight your lynch, no matter how much "sense" you know it might make to the rest of the Town that you look like scum.

Barring really odd mechanics or strange setups, townies should never just "allow" themselves to be lynched.

Not to mention the "godfather-ness" of the post Artem pointed out, as well as springlullaby's points regarding a cop's choices.

Accepting your "punishment" for lynching a townie is

not

pro-town play.

Unvote: mykonian

Vote: Kairyuu

[Scigatt]

Kairyuu isn´t looking for the cop. If there is a cop, which I doubt, choose your own play. Let´s keep Kairyuu alive for one day. I think I follow what he is doing and I think he could be right. Also afatchic is now officially lurking.

Would you mind telling us what he is doing?

[sekinj]

@myk- I really dislike a plea to keep another player alive... and I'm not going to vote or unvote someone based on your feelings which you can't explain or justify.

[mykonian]

which is indeed a bad play. But the way I read Kairyuu, lynching him is also a bad play. I know what I´m going to say is wrong, but this I what my feelings are.

I think Kairyuu has a powerrole. He either is a power role and hopes that germy is his backup, or they are masons, or he is the little girl. He is too confident in that sentence, where you accuse him of godfatherness. I think it is too obvious.

So my play would be: let Kairyuu live, not investigate him, and see what day two brings. If afat is scum: no problem, if he isn´t, lets hear Kairyuu´s story. I´m afraid Kairyuu is a powerrole that is hesitant to claim day 1.

[mykonian]

1. I think indeed afatchic is scum. If so, it would kinda clear Kairyuu.

2. if afat isn´t scum, Kairyuu promises us a story. I want to hear that story. Good story, we let him live, bad story, we lynch him. But I repeat, don´t investigate him as cop, because if Kairyuu is scum, it probably doesn´t matter.

3. Look at Kairyuu´s play. I don´t know how he usually play´s, yet the whole thing screams town to me. If I were scum, day one wouldn´t be the day to make a lot of noise, to attract attention, and if I´m a godfather, I wouldn´t ask for a investigation day 1. It doesn´t fit. Same counts for Artem.

I want to look at Kairyuu again day 2, because then we have all the information necessary to decide on his lynch. The lynch, maybe the nightkill clears something, and Kairyuu´s story. It could stop us from lynching a power role.

[springlullaby]

This discussion is leading nowhere without Kairyuu. Don't claim for other people, it serves nothing, let Kairyuu answer.

[alvinz95]

I'm here again. Busy week. Trying to keep up with the speed. Rereading currently.

[mykonian]

I don´t want him to claim. I think we know more tomorrow. His post kinda promises that. I don´t claim, I explain what I think about his post. I think you misinterpreted it. That way, this game is going the wrong way and I want it to stop. That was what my post was about.

I don´t see much use in claiming day 1. And if we can prefend that, I´ll be happy.

[germy]

1. I think indeed afatchic is scum. If so, it would kinda clear Kairyuu.

2. if afat isn´t scum, Kairyuu promises us a story. I want to hear that story. Good story, we let him live, bad story, we lynch him. But I repeat, don´t investigate him as cop, because if Kairyuu is scum, it probably doesn´t matter.

3. Look at Kairyuu´s play. I don´t know how he usually play´s, yet the whole thing screams town to me. If I were scum, day one wouldn´t be the day to make a lot of noise, to attract attention, and if I´m a godfather, I wouldn´t ask for a investigation day 1. It doesn´t fit. Same counts for Artem.

I want to look at Kairyuu again day 2, because then we have all the information necessary to decide on his lynch. The lynch, maybe the nightkill clears something, and Kairyuu´s story. It could stop us from lynching a power role.

1. I think you and Kairyuu are scum. If Kairyuu is scum, it would kinda clear afatchic, as well as implicate you for defending and agreeing with him.

2. I'm not going to say one way or another whether a cop should investigate Kairyuu, especially since I'm voting for his lynch. However, the problem is that Kairyuu practically

asked

to be investigated, and is now a large reason why I find him suspicious.

3. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me?

I believe Kairyuu is likely to be scum, at this point, and mykonian is his scum-buddy.

[springlullaby]

Germy, germy, you're pinging my scumdar.

[springlullaby]

Oh mykonian, I don't think I misinterpreted you, I'm simply saying that you should let Kairyuu answer.

[mykonian]

And I do know this is a wrong play by me, but the way the Kairyuu thing is going is just plain wrong. And germy, because we don´t have enough wifom, if I were scum, wouldn´t I be bussing my mate in stead of defending him at this point? And what I say, I don´t think Kairyuu asked to be investigated, that is the whole point. You aren´t reading my posts.

And no, I can´t say the wine is in front of me. If it is, I´ll say it tomorrow. Today, Kairyuu wouldn´t be my lynch.

[Artem]

And I do know this is a wrong play by me, but the way the Kairyuu thing is going is just plain wrong. And germy, because we don´t have enough wifom, if I were scum, wouldn´t I be bussing my mate in stead of defending him at this point? And what I say,

I don´t think Kairyuu asked to be investigated, that is the whole point.

You aren´t reading my posts.

And no, I can´t say the wine is in front of me. If it is, I´ll say it tomorrow. Today, Kairyuu wouldn´t be my lynch.

What? He's pretty much asking for it:

If he flips town,

then I will hope that someone can confirm my alignment

, but if they can't then I will not fight against being the D2 lynch, because I was the one who proposed the case in the first place.

Look at the way it's phrased. "Hopefully, somebody can confirm...

but if they can't

....". It doesn't sound too sure to me.

There's only a handful of scenarios where somebody can confirm Kair's alignment:
-A scum coming out with the information. I don't see this happening;
-A mason speaking up for their partner. In this case, it's not so much of "can't" as "won't".
-The mod confirming innocence of the little child. It can and will happen if Kair is one and asks for it.
-A cop investigation. This one may or may not happen, depending on whether there's a cop.

This scenario makes the most sense for somebody who's saying "hopefully, somebody can..., but if they can't...."

FoS: Mykonian

for fishing for power-roles and being overly defensive for another player.

@Mykonian: what if afatchic flips town? How will you decide if Kair's story is "good" or "bad" on Day 2?

[sekinj]

FoS: Mykonian

for fishing for power-roles and being overly defensive for another player.

@Mykonian: what if afatchic flips town? How will you decide if Kair's story is "good" or "bad" on Day 2?

qft

[iamausername]

-=afatchic and Ku_F have both been prodded for the first time=-

-=Nightwolf has failed to respond to prod. Now seeking a replacement for Nightwolf=-

[mykonian]

The way I read it, Kairyuu promises a sound defense. So yes, good story means a little girl, a claim, something like that.

[mykonian]

Call it rolefishing...

Lynching a power role is worse. I think he is at L-2 now.

[wolframnhart]

Hey guys looks like i am replacing into your game, am about to head out the door but should be able to do a read through when i get back. If not it will be tomorrow at the latest.

[iamausername]

Filler post