Both.letsbefriends wrote:Wow, are all of you that want to shoot me actually think I am scummy or are you only voting me because you don't disagree with me?
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I've answered your questions a million times. I DO NOT THINK THE TOWN WILL HAVE ANY ADVANTAGE IF WE DO IT YOUR WAY. End of Story.letsbefriends wrote:
Look, I'm not asking if you think if it will or will not be possible. I'm asking if you think it will benefit townsekinj wrote:@LBF: I get tired of your questions. I think they are goign around in circles.
I don't beleive we can truely "cut the executioner step". Anyone who is elected executioner KNOWS that they have to answer to the town anyway, and that's IF they don't just get shot by the lynchee right off.if it is done. If everyone agrees that it will benefit town, that means we can decide together that that is how we should play. I'm getting tired of you trying to avoid the actual questions.
In fact you claim you are trying to cut out the influence of scum, yet you are trying so hard to get everyone to play it your way. Your previous misrep of me plus your refusal to take an answer now...you are starting to look scummy to me. not to mention your WIFOM earlier about not wanting to be executioner...Show-sekinj
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Still going in circles. THIS IS NOT A REASON. WHEN YOU ANSWERsekinj wrote:
I've answered your questions a million times. I DO NOT THINK THE TOWN WILL HAVE ANY ADVANTAGE IF WE DO IT YOUR WAY. End of Story.letsbefriends wrote:
Look, I'm not asking if you think if it will or will not be possible. I'm asking if you think it will benefit townsekinj wrote:@LBF: I get tired of your questions. I think they are goign around in circles.
I don't beleive we can truely "cut the executioner step". Anyone who is elected executioner KNOWS that they have to answer to the town anyway, and that's IF they don't just get shot by the lynchee right off.if it is done. If everyone agrees that it will benefit town, that means we can decide together that that is how we should play. I'm getting tired of you trying to avoid the actual questions.WHYORHOWIT ISN'T ADVANTAGEOUS, THEN IT IS A REASON. You are so dense, it's making me crazy.
Previous misrep? You mean when it was your fault for not reading and misunderstanding my idea? Yeah, must be completely my fault.sekinj wrote: In fact you claim you are trying to cut out the influence of scum, yet you are trying so hard to get everyone to play it your way. Your previous misrep of me plus your refusal to take an answer now...you are starting to look scummy to me. not to mention your WIFOM earlier about not wanting to be executioner...
It's WIFOM because you want to consider it WIFOM. I said what I meant. You voted Shadowgirl. It COULD be WIFOM as you could be scum trying to buddy up, so I'm going to go ahead and say that's WIFOM as well.
Oh, ok. I'm sure you have your reasons, but yeah, let's just keep everything to ourselves. Don't need to share them at all.Empking wrote:
The first.letsbefriends wrote:Wow, are all of you that want to shoot me actually think I am scummy or are you only voting me because you don't disagree with me?
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Vote Count "Elections are won by men and women chiefly because most people vote against somebody rather than somebody":
sekinj (4): Mana_Ku, orangepenguin, ShadowGirl (Post 175 (Not entirely sure whether this is vote as quote tags messed up)), Caboose
Mana_Ku (2): Empking, Knight of Cydonia
ShadowGirl (1): sekinj
Empking (1): Tovarish
Caboose(1) MafiaSSK
Knight of Cydonia
letsbefriends
Tovarish
orangepenguin
lord_hur
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LBF, I was wrong. It isn't WIFOM. However, I don't like his idea. The reason why I don't like this is because he wants us to say who we want to lynch. Then we should vote the player who would lynch the player who we want to lynch. Look at post 232 what is meant with his idea. The problem with this idea is that scum can put influence in it. This isn't the case with Sekinj's idea. Besides, I also agree with some ideas of Sekinj. Thus she received my vote as executioner.
But i didn't see it as WIFOM due to suggesting an idea.
Why i agree more with Sekinj's idea: We can see connections. We see who wants to lynch who and who they trust to be an executioner. Scum has to be more careful with this idea then with your idea. Also when the sht comes into play, there is another thing that can show us a connection between players.
I think the 'elect an executioner' stage is helpful for town. It starts discussion. Why do you want that person to be the executioner? It shows connections and it shows the thoughts of players. I see no reason to skip this.
Mod-LetsBeFriends is also voting Sekinj
LBF, do you think Sekinj will lynch herself?
Sekinj, who will you lynch?
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@LBF: I'm definitely not going to lynch myself, but dont' worry, I may very well be shot by whomever I decide to lynch.
@manu: all I can see right now is the discussion with LBF. I'd like to take a step back and re-evalate a bit. I'd also like to get everyone else's input on it as well.Show-sekinj
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Enough mechanics. Scumhunting time. Now!
KoC wrote:Vote: Mana_Ku, as she seems to be the only person here with two working eyes and some brain cells left dedicated to reading comprehension.FoS: KoC
For using an ad hom argument, which I personally take exception to.
I would still like to hear from KoC as to why he used an ad hom for the reason for his vote.-
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I love how people want me gone and are voting me for not being here. I've explained it already, but I got my role pm, and I expected to get a thread link too, and I looked in the wrong forum, so I never saw/found the thread, until a few days and and many pages into the game.
Sekinj, I think you should shoot LBF, for obvious reasons.Shoot: LBF-
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Your first post was at page 7. In that same post, you also vote sekinj. Are you placing your vote without reading the entire game? If you read the entire game, you didn't see anything else you worth discussion?orangepenguin wrote:I love how people want me gone and are voting me for not being here. I've explained it already, but I got my role pm, and I expected to get a thread link too, and I looked in the wrong forum, so I never saw/found the thread, until a few days and and many pages into the game.
Your second post, in page 10, also seems to imply you haven't read anything. We discussed what you posted somewhere in between page 7 and 10. If you haven't bothered reading those pages either, how do you come up with the decision that you don't like my idea? Could it be that you're just following other people?
Yay, OMGUS and trying to get people to bandwagon me? Apparently the reasons are so obvious it does not need to be stated. The way the rest of the town completely ignores when people cast their vote, I think there's a bright future ahead for everyone.orangepenguin wrote: Sekinj, I think you should shoot LBF, for obvious reasons.Shoot: LBF
For all the people voting to shoot me,orangepenguin, Empking, MafiaSSK, am I the most scummy person to you at the moment?-
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No, I have been reading. sekinj has by far the best strategy. Plus, I've played with her before, so I trust her more than anyone else (as much as you can trust anyone in these games). Your idea is not a good one, and is scummy. And that answers your question, yes. Just because I haven't posted 10 posts per page doesn't mean I haven't been reading. I just "joined" the game a week after everyone else, which puts me at a big disadvantage, post count wise.-
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How does her playstyle in other games affect her alignment in this game?orangepenguin wrote:No, I have been reading. sekinj has by far the best strategy. Plus, I've played with her before, so I trust her more than anyone else (as much as you can trust anyone in these games).
Please enlighten me to how it is scummy.orangepenguin wrote: Your idea is not a good one, and is scummy. And that answers your question, yes.
Post count has nothing to do with it. It's the lack of content. You've read 7 pages and all you have to say is that you agree with sekinj? Also, when you talk about something that has already been discussed, it shows you haven't been reading.orangepenguin wrote: Just because I haven't posted 10 posts per page doesn't mean I haven't been reading. I just "joined" the game a week after everyone else, which puts me at a big disadvantage, post count wise.-
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As much as I prefer sekinj's reasoning to LBF's overall, I have to agree with her here. Looks quite scummy to me.letsbefriends wrote:
How does her playstyle in other games affect her alignment in this game?orangepenguin wrote:No, I have been reading. sekinj has by far the best strategy. Plus, I've played with her before, so I trust her more than anyone else (as much as you can trust anyone in these games).-
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Vote Count "Elections are won by men and women chiefly because most people vote against somebody rather than somebody":
sekinj (5): Mana_Ku, orangepenguin, ShadowGirl, letsbefriends, Caboose
Mana_Ku (2): Empking, Knight of Cydonia
ShadowGirl (1): sekinj
Empking (1): Tovarish
Caboose(1) MafiaSSK
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I say we elect sekinj to be executioner. Even though I kind of agree with LBF's strategy, sekinj has already asked us to hold the executioner accountable for going against the town, so I don't really find it all that different. The executioneralwayshas the option of going against the town, even under LBF's plan, even though it'll probably get them intohugetrouble the next day. In practice, I don't think it'll end up that different. We're all going to want to elect an executioner that we think will listen to our opinions, so if they don't, I hope we'll make them answer for it tomorrow.
I say someone (not me! I'm terrible at counting!) should keepLynchandShootcounts so that the executioner has to give reasoning for going against the will of the town should he/she choose to do so, rather than just say "Oh, I didn't realize you guys wanted me to kill XXXX, guess I miscounted." Now, whether or not we believe that the executionershouldhave the final say over who is lynched, the truth is he/shewillhave the final say over who is lynched. I just want them to take the full burden of responsibility for any deviations from the will of the town rather than making lame excuses.
Now. I say the executioner shouldLynchorangepenguin. I find the "I WANNA PLAY MISH MASH MAFIA NOT A MINI NORMAL" thing to be pretty contrived. Obviously there is a built-in change in mechanics already, so it's not a mini normal regardless. I'm not buying it.
I don't have an opinion on who should be shot yet, since I haven't found anyone else I think is particularly scummy, but I may soon.
Vote: sekinj
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