PBPA on Pesco:
Pesco has succeeded in pulling suspicion on both Bob and Tim without stating any reasons for either, other than that they were arguing, which is a null tell.Pesco wrote:Really. W.T.F.?!?
Lynch the both of you for being goblins (behaviour-wise) and all the dwarves are better off.
Actually looking at the arguments presented beyond the emo, Timeater is coming out scummier. I'm not giving Cyber a free pass either, because a cool-headed scum can just be playing it easy while you tangle yourself up some more.
Vote Timeater
FoS Cyber
Explains reasons for Tim.Pesco wrote:Roffman voted you because you weren't being helpful to town. That's not a random vote.
All your posts before the fiasco with Cyber has nothing in terms of useful information, just fluffy cotton candy. Getting all worked up at Cyber's FoS indicated to me that you were being extremely jumpy for something that small. Instead of making him remove his FoS by actually giving good content, you made a huge distraction. These reactions make you scummy, failing that, a liability to town if you are innocent.
Lastly, I'm calling your WIFOM here. I'll take the wine in front of me.
Not for Bob.
That last sentence is the important part. With only the fact that Tim and Tuber are agreeing, Pesco draws the brilliant conclusion that they are scumbuddies. Tactfully, he does not outright state this, of course, but he's managed once again to put suspicion on players for poor reasions.Pesco wrote:Rereading from the very beginning again, this post actually sounds like Tim was voting Cyber because Cyber didn't find Roffman scummy (admitted as a ragevote here. I want clarification on why Tim has such tunnel vision against Roffman, with no metagaming as reasons.
I intended to pay closer attention to the Tuber discussion in my read, but the size of the flamewar proved too big for me to pick out much.
What I have noticed is that Tim and Tuber have been somewhat mutually defensive of each other. They read each other as pro-town and declare the same people scummy. Something is not quite right here.
I'm not quite getting Pesco's logic for thinking Tim's scum here.Pesco wrote:It'd be more odd if he turned up scum. Why do you even need to post a line like this? Feling the same vibe as everyone before me on this one.
FoS Tim
This is a weak attack on Roffman - he's already offered to be lynched first, so that lowers the possibility of a gambit (especially since he's not confirmed if Tim turns up town).Pesco wrote:This one smells like WIFOM loaded crap. Reading into it as a bluff, I'd say that if Roffman is scum, he's got a safe-claim as a cook and hence the need to fish. This conclusion is a bit contradictory to the exchange between Roffman and Tim, where it seems that both of them do know what a cook does. In that case, I'm still a bit uncomfortable with accepting that 2 players can have the same role and be on the same side.
If it weren't for this, I'd have voted Tim again in agreeance with Sekinj. Roffman is doing more IioA compared to Tim's plain anti-town behaviour.
Vote Roffman
Right now, my view on the situation is that Roffman and Tim are both town, mostly due to my read of Roffman as town right now. Tim is almost guarenteed town, unless both he and Tim are scum together. And if they are, such a situation will become evident soon enough.
Wait, I just thought about it a bit.Pesco wrote:I'm just going to throw out my read on this whole cook-roleclaim.
When Roffman first said he wanted to be a lightning rod for NK, I felt it was WIFOM. Tim's reaction of saying he doesn't want to play that way, gave me the feel that they had abilities. My thoughts concluded that they were cops with sanity issues (multiple occurences of the same role on one side). This told me it would be WIFOM thrown at scum, I could accept that to be risky town play.
The problem now arises that they're claiming vanilla. Every team has vanillas, be they town, scum, cults, third party etc. Bob was also a vanilla, yet his role-title was animal trainer. One cook flipping vanilla is not going to clear anyone else.
If the scum get Chef as a safeclaim/role despite Chef being an actual town role, then they could be of different alignment.
I need to think about this.
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Overall, the case against Pesco was a lot weaker than my vibes indicated.
I'm inclined to go to a
I need to ponder the Roffman/Timeater thing some more.