Mini 680: Portlandia- Game Over!

[chazworthington]

Actually, since I'm at L-4, I'll claim: I'm a miller. I heard it's good practice to claim miller early if you are one.

Can you provide the thread where you heard it was good practice to claim miller early?

Vote Count:
(2)bionicchop2: Mr_Adams, farkshinsoup
(1)chazworthington: TheSweatpantsNinja
(1)farkshinsoup: chazworthington
(1)Mr. Avacado: bionicchop2
(1)X: Zazier
(1)YOUNG ERIC: Y.C
(1)ZazieR: X

Not Voting: Blitzer, q21, Mr. Avacado, YOUNG ERIC

Blitzer never picked up his role PM. Seeking replacement now.

[Farkshinsoup]

I'm quite surprised that q21 would actually unvote me, though. Tiny bit eager to present himself as pro-town.

QFT.

Mr Avacado and Young Eric haven't checked in yet, but they've picked up their role PM's. Mr Avacado's last post on MS was before this thread opened. Young Eric's last post was less than 24 hours ago, so

FoS Young Eric.

Stop lurking.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

So basically we treat X like any other player, except we can't rely on any investigation to clear/catch him.

Right. Claiming miller early is a pro-town move because it saves our potential investigators an investigation. Of course, he could be scum making it up to save him from being investigated, so its not like we can give him a free pass.

[bionicchop2]

X's claim killed the game before it even had a chance to live!

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

X's claim killed the game before it even had a chance to live!

So revive it. Who do you think is scum? Why?

[bionicchop2]

X's claim killed the game before it even had a chance to live!

So revive it. Who do you think is scum? Why?

Based off of 26 game posts by 9/12 players, I am not sure I have formed enough of an opinion on anybody yet. The only standout items for me right now would be the unvote by Q21 I already commented on (just odd, but I haven't seen a precedent for this to be a scum tell) and post 26 by farkin. I can't quite put my finger on it, but something about pressuring a 'lurker' with a FoS just feels off. I personally use FoS's only if I feel my vote is in an important spot, but others may approach it differently. If there was any legit suspicion there, why not move the vote from random (happens to be me) to the lurker?

[X]

This had to do with it, but it was more that it was advocated on the Wiki. Appeal to authority, I guess...but personally I couldn't think of a reason not to claim.

Lurkers, show yourselves!

[Mr_Adams]

Well, I don't like this miller claim.

vote X

[Farkshinsoup]

Do we lynch him to clear up possible future complications?

Not yet. If he's still alive in later days, or if he starts dropping other scum tells, then we should revisit the question.

Mr. Adams, what problem do you have with this plan? Also, what reason do you have for not believing X's miller claim, aside from a hunch?

[Mr_Adams]

absolutly none. just a hunch.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Even the hunchiest hunch has some basis. What specifically about the claim gives you a bad feeling?

[bionicchop2]

Well, I don't like this miller claim.

vote X

Please outline the advantages you see for scum claiming miller to start day 1 and what supportive scummy actions you have seen from X to convince you he is lying.

[q21]

Right, I generally happy with X's responses to questions about his Miller claim and therefore see no reason to revote him. I'm also interested to see the basis for Mr_Adams disbelief of the miller claim.

For now though I'd like to put my vote on Y.C. He random voted and then disappeared. Random votes are generally intended to get the discussion going and if you are then not around to participate in the any resulting discussion then your random vote comes off as only an attempt to fit in.

Vote Y.C

[ZazieR]

Why do you rather vote someone who has already posted, instead of someone who hasn't posted yet?

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Why would you vote someone who hasn't posted?

[q21]

Why do you rather vote someone who has already posted, instead of someone who hasn't posted yet?

Now that most people have arrived I see little point in voting someone who has never and may never post over someone who voted and then disappeared.

[X]

I honestly don't see the point of voting for lurkers at the beginning of the game until it's clear that:
1. They won't show their faces.
AND
2. The mod won't replace them (for various reasons - either posting sans content, or they are "present and able to post" in MeMe's words).

Oh, and Mr_Adams, I don't think there is any defense to either of your statements. Sorry...

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Replace "They won't show their faces" with "Refuse to contribute to the game in a meaningful way" AND "do not have a history of refusing to contribute to games in meaningful ways (those people should be vigged)" and I agree.

[X]

Sure. Close enough for me.

[Y.C]

I'm here. The reason for my lack of posts is because all that I have to say about the game has been said by others already.

What seems most suspicious to me is Mr_Adams' behaviour, exactly for the points stated. I didn't see a reason to point it out yet again. I would like to hear more than "just a hunch" from him, since I believe that is not an acceptable answer, being in no way a logical claim which can be argued.

[Farkshinsoup]

Mr Avacado and Young Eric still have not posted anywhere on this site since the last time I checked.

Mod can we have a prod on those 2?

I have a feeling they've flaked.

In the mean time, I'm going to

unvote, vote: Mr. Adams

. Wanting to lynch the unconfirmed miller on a hunch strikes me as anti-town. I have no evidence to think that you're scum, but it's as good a place to put my vote right now.

Prods have been issued to Mr Avacado and YOUNG ERIC.

[Mr_Adams]

Right, I generally happy with X's responses to questions about his Miller claim and therefore see no reason to revote him. I'm also interested to see the basis for Mr_Adams disbelief of the miller claim.

serious? you guys really find it that hard to believe that I voted somebody on an intuitive hunch? (my hunchs- generaly wrong) Fine, suit yourself.

[Farkshinsoup]

you guys really find it that hard to believe that I voted somebody on an intuitive hunch?

I believe it, I just don't like it. See my post 45 for further elaboration.

[bionicchop2]

serious? you guys really find it that hard to believe that I voted somebody on an intuitive hunch? (my hunchs- generaly wrong) Fine, suit yourself.

I find it hard to believe anybody can get an intuitive hunch on page 2. Most players I have seen who play by gut consistently don't generally seem to form their opinions this early.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

serious? you guys really find it that hard to believe that I voted somebody on an intuitive hunch? (my hunchs- generaly wrong) Fine, suit yourself.

So. . . your hunches are generally wrong, but you voted on them anyway? And you can't elaborate on them

at all?

Yes, I have a problem with that.