Mini Theme 2222: Open Draft Mafia [Game Over]

Titus · Post Post #1300 (isolation #0) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:18 am

UNVOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Wagons seem like a cop guilty.

Titus · Post Post #1301 (isolation #1) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:41 am

In post 16, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 14, cyrus62 wrote:
In post 11, Infinity 324 wrote:Dunn is town btw
no kidding only Mason's are always town. Neighbors could be either or so you won't get town cred. For that
Nothing prevents scum from randing and picking a mason

FoS here. Scum Masons are explicitly banned.

I doubt mason shows. 1 shot loyal neigbhorizer might though.

Titus · Post Post #1302 (isolation #2) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:42 am

In post 27, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 22, Infinity 324 wrote:Actually, I might not be right

Murder, are scum allowed to select a mason from their pack?

In post 24, Dwlee99 wrote:I found the answer on the link. They can pick it but mason isn't added to their role and they don't get it in the chat.

This is correct

FoS on Infinity redacted.

Titus · Post Post #1303 (isolation #3) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:44 am

In post 33, cyrus62 wrote:Watch out for dw is is a hell of a scum player. If he is scum. He won for us in the last game we played.

FoS here. No reads given but a fear comment.

Titus · Post Post #1304 (isolation #4) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:45 am

In post 36, Bingle wrote:
In post 10, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Bingle
Bingle amirite
Nah, I turned around. You’re left.

It’s been a while since I looked at the deck, but I don’t remember any particular tricks as important. Dunn should probs not pick mason (we might can turn it into a parity cop), but I need to think on this. See y’all tomorrow.

Not sure on how this would work, but I like Bingle's thinking here.

Titus · Post Post #1305 (isolation #5) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:47 am

In post 41, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 39, House wrote:You have early town cred for claiming the card right off.

By passing it off to another player, that player can become confirmed town by actually using it, and it would lock town you (barring shenanigans) by enabling it.

... I think. I'm new to this kind of game, correct me if I'm wrong.
I like this

While I like House, Dunn and Bingle individually so far, I'm not a fan of passing cards in general. It puts a neon sign that says "Block me" on Dunn and then we would not get the results and possibly lose the card.

Titus · Post Post #1307 (isolation #6) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:50 am

In post 1305, Titus wrote:
In post 41, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 39, House wrote:You have early town cred for claiming the card right off.

By passing it off to another player, that player can become confirmed town by actually using it, and it would lock town you (barring shenanigans) by enabling it.

... I think. I'm new to this kind of game, correct me if I'm wrong.
I like this
While I like House, Dunn and Bingle individually so far, I'm not a fan of passing cards in general. It puts a neon sign that says "Block me" on Dunn and then we would not get the results and possibly lose the card.

Scratch this. I read the rules and I agree with this. It would force scum to pass the pack a number of slots down to a scum slot, then we can track the number of slots down.

This of course depends on a) the other mason not being in scum hands and b) selecting it tonight.

Titus · Post Post #1308 (isolation #7) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:50 am

In post 1306, T3 wrote:
In post 1303, Titus wrote:
In post 33, cyrus62 wrote:Watch out for dw is is a hell of a scum player. If he is scum. He won for us in the last game we played.
FoS here. No reads given but a fear comment.
cyrus is obvious town by the way.

Let me get there then. I still have a thousand posts to go.

Titus · Post Post #1309 (isolation #8) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:09 am

In post 1604, Titus wrote:
Once a role is selected, it becomes a permanent part of that player's role, even if all shots are used.

From the wiki, the mason passing plan won't work. Dunn would just be a mason.

In post 1605, Titus wrote:Wait I'm confused, how could all shots be used if roles selected are permanent?

Mod: Can you give an example of a player drafting a role where all shots are used?

Titus · Post Post #1313 (isolation #9) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:17 am

At the end of page 5, tempted to claim something in my pack but will hold off until the end just to be sure.

Titus · Post Post #1314 (isolation #10) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:19 am

In post 125, T3 wrote:
In post 120, T3 wrote:The scum: MURDERCAT
Too much mechtalk, not enough reads.

Like T3 for this.

Titus · Post Post #1315 (isolation #11) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:19 am

In post 126, Infinity 324 wrote:T3 is towny I think

Mind meld

Titus · Post Post #1316 (isolation #12) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:32 am

In post 318, Flea The Magician wrote:VOTE: House
I feel good on this.

Mom is scum too.

Flea Mom associatives

Titus · Post Post #1317 (isolation #13) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:38 am

At the end of page 15, tempted to say screw it and look at the VCs.

Titus · Post Post #1318 (isolation #14) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:40 am

In post 800, MURDERCAT wrote:
Vote Count 1.8
[5] NorwegianboyEE: mastina, Flea The Magician, Taly, NDMath, T3
[2] Almost50: Dwlee99, Almost50
[2] mastina: NorwegianboyEE, Bingle
[1] T3: House
[1] Taly: cyrus62
[0] House:
[0] Flea The Magician:
[0] Infinity 324:
[0] Dwlee99:
[0] Bingle:
[0] cyrus62:
[0] Dunnstral:
[0] NDMath:

Not voting: Dunnstral, Infinity 324

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline expires in
(expired on 2021-07-20 22:28:21).

In post 900, MURDERCAT wrote:
Vote Count 1.9
[5] mastina: NorwegianboyEE, Bingle, Dunnstral, T3, cyrus62
[4] NorwegianboyEE: mastina, Flea The Magician, Taly, NDMath
[2] Almost50: Dwlee99, Almost50
[1] T3: House
[0] Taly:
[0] House:
[0] Flea The Magician:
[0] Infinity 324:
[0] Dwlee99:
[0] Bingle:
[0] cyrus62:
[0] Dunnstral:
[0] NDMath:

Not voting: Infinity 324

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline expires in
(expired on 2021-07-20 22:28:21).

This is worth my time to read.

Titus · Post Post #1319 (isolation #15) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:45 am

In post 887, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: mistina sheeping ee for now pending flip. My Poe is still ee,t3 infinity tally and dw

hmmm

Titus · Post Post #1320 (isolation #16) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:50 am

Scratch that claim thing. Players don't receive their next packs until N2 not D2.

Titus · Post Post #1321 (isolation #17) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:50 am

My Hero Solve is Flea, Cyrus, EE.

Titus · Post Post #1329 (isolation #18) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:15 am

In post 1325, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1300, Titus wrote:UNVOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Wagons seem like a cop guilty.
I don't speak Titus.

Can you explain.

Nevermind. It's day 1. I'll just take my lumps.

Titus · Post Post #1330 (isolation #19) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:17 am

In post 1328, House wrote:Also, hi!

Welcome, Titus!

Hi House!

I am scum this time.

Titus · Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:20 pm

Hmmm maybe I'm wrong on Cyrus.

Titus · Post Post #1354 (isolation #21) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:56 pm

In post 1353, House wrote:
In post 1330, Titus wrote:
In post 1328, House wrote:Also, hi!

Welcome, Titus!
Hi House!

I am scum this time.
I love baiting people.

Don't you?

If the moon phase is right.

Titus · Post Post #1355 (isolation #22) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:57 pm

In post 1352, T3 wrote:
In post 1335, T3 wrote:Titus completely TANKING her slot in my eyes with 2 posts. This game tbh

In post 1332, T3 wrote:
In post 1321, Titus wrote:My Hero Solve is Flea, Cyrus, EE.
HAHA WTF
VOTE: TITUSSSSSSSSS

In post 1331, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Titus
uhh okay

In post 1338, Titus wrote:Hmmm maybe I'm wrong on Cyrus.
wow what a progression

I know. My progressions are the stuff of legend.

My D1 solves are always perfect.

Titus · Post Post #1357 (isolation #23) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:58 pm

In post 1350, NDMath wrote:I am back to preferring a flea or a50 wagon but based off the vc + deadline neither of those look like productive places to park a vote.

I'd do Flea with you. We're at 2 across the board atm.

Titus · Post Post #1359 (isolation #24) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:03 pm

VOTE: Flea

@NDMATH- Come join the cool kids club. You started it.

Titus · Post Post #1361 (isolation #25) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:05 pm

In post 1360, T3 wrote:VOTE: fleh the magician
die nullscum fluffer die

*whistles*

Titus · Post Post #1367 (isolation #26) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:18 pm

In post 1366, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay so t3 is scum with Titus got it.

Well you got one right. You're improving.

Titus · Post Post #1372 (isolation #27) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:51 pm

In post 1371, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1367, Titus wrote:
In post 1366, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay so t3 is scum with Titus got it.
Well you got one right. You're improving.
Which?

Totally me Dwlee. Totally.

Titus · Post Post #1378 (isolation #28) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:08 pm

In post 1375, Almost50 wrote:Is there ANY chance I get lim'ed today, or are you going to force me to take the game seriously now?

Titus · Post Post #1380 (isolation #29) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:10 pm

In post 1377, cyrus62 wrote:T3 wagon just became best play he seems to be optatoniscly voting for who he thinks will flip the fastest to flip. I will not vote flea until every one retreads t3s day one Iso. I'm also doubting my read on house .

Titus · Post Post #1389 (isolation #30) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:46 pm

In post 1387, Almost50 wrote:@Titus: Did you read my posts? How about you ISO me?

Titus · Post Post #1391 (isolation #31) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:52 pm

In post 496, Almost50 wrote:You know what?? Scum are clever, and Town are stupid (collectively, not as individuals). So I'm going to unfold the cards:

1-shot RB
1-shot Activated Strongman
ANOTHER 1-shot Activated Strongman
- Neighbor
-Vanilla

Do you want this to get passed to Scum?? How can a Townie get rid of the Activated Strongman (so as to prevent it from being used by Scum) without using it themselves?? Not just one, but TWO Activated Strongman shots. What am I supposed to do here?? Pick RB and fake a guilty on the person who gets my package on D2??

Titus · Post Post #1406 (isolation #32) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:06 pm

Titus · Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:52 pm

Life is getting complicated. I'll try to be here.

Titus · Post Post #1491 (isolation #34) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:19 pm

Willing to vote T3 prefer Flea but I need to review.

Titus · Post Post #1537 (isolation #35) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:48 am

In post 1533, Infinity 324 wrote:We should still resolve math's result as well just in case scum kill him and make us confused but yeah

Math's result sounds more like a joke.

Titus · Post Post #1538 (isolation #36) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:49 am

I'll be voting house but I'd like to scumhunt some before EoD. Like use his ISO to find other scum.

Titus · Post Post #1539 (isolation #37) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:50 am

@Mod, Do kills happen before or after passes?

Titus · Post Post #1540 (isolation #38) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:51 am

If kills happen after, I will claim the pack I had (that passes to Cyrus) to limit fake claims.

Titus · Post Post #1541 (isolation #39) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:53 am

Well I won't claim what I took.

Titus · Post Post #1543 (isolation #40) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:57 am

Mod: Let me rephrase. Was Cyrus an eligible target to pass to last night?

Titus · Post Post #1544 (isolation #41) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:58 am

I don't think he was actually, so I am keeping my mouth shut.

Titus · Post Post #1547 (isolation #42) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:20 am

In post 48, House wrote:
In post 47, Almost50 wrote:Bingle is Town (joy), and is probably the N1 kill (damn)
Dude, are you directing scum night actions or announcing intent??

I see no town utility whatsoever in this post.

A50 town

Titus · Post Post #1548 (isolation #43) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:21 am

In post 195, House wrote:I'm going to get my groove on, today. Let's start with:

VOTE: T3

Their posts in regards to mastina do not feel at all genuine.

House is invested in protecting mastina. Her reads help scum likely.

Titus · Post Post #1549 (isolation #44) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:23 am

In post 232, House wrote:
In post 222, Bingle wrote:sounds like he has a conclusion he wants to make and is justifying it.
Bullshit.

T3 is scumreading mastina for something he JUST saw her do as town in a game all 3 of us just finished.

T3 prob town.

Titus · Post Post #1550 (isolation #45) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:26 am

In post 340, House wrote:
In post 334, Taly wrote:I don't like that House paints the A50 votes as opportunistic, sure, there is valid reason to suggest that, but what's the point of suggesting so? Feels bad faith.
Not bad faith at all.

I don't scumread Infinity for theirs. It just strengthened my scumread of T3 for hopping on the first convenient "gotcha" post that came along AFTER someone else started the wagon when he originally replied to that post before they did.

Bad faith? Try zero faith.

Infinity possible partner

Titus · Post Post #1569 (isolation #46) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:18 am

In post 1551, Bingle wrote:
In post 1523, NDMath wrote:I investigated Bingle last night, claim.
I was untargetable.

Now is the point that we should claim any disproportionately scum oriented roles that were in our opening packs like commuter, multitasking, strongman, ascetic.

My pack had two commutes.

I would have claimed anything I felt was scum oriented, but my mileage may vary.

Titus · Post Post #1575 (isolation #47) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:00 am

In post 1551, Bingle wrote:
In post 1523, NDMath wrote:I investigated Bingle last night, claim.
I was untargetable.

Now is the point that we should claim any disproportionately scum oriented roles that were in our opening packs like commuter, multitasking, strongman, ascetic.

My pack had two commutes.

That would mean all three commutes are in this game.

My deck had a commute and I didn't draft it because I feel commute is better around N4.

Titus · Post Post #1576 (isolation #48) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:01 am

I wasn't going to claim it, but it makes me doubt Bingle's claim.

Titus · Post Post #1577 (isolation #49) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:02 am

EE should be able to back me up tomorrow (I think he got my pack).

Titus · Post Post #1578 (isolation #50) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:05 am

I find it more likely, but not impossible Bingle took ascetic.

Titus · Post Post #1583 (isolation #51) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:58 am

In post 1579, Bingle wrote:
In post 1578, Titus wrote:I find it more likely, but not impossible Bingle took ascetic.
Eh. I can avoid the commute tonight and be targetable to prove I'm not ascetic, but the mechanical 1 scum in three people is spicy for tomorrow.

Ascetics in the deck are one shot activated.

Titus · Post Post #1587 (isolation #52) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:01 am

Right now we're at 4 claimed commutes. At n2, we get our new decks. Everyone who actually has a commute takes it and uses it. Whoever is the odd man out is scum.

If we get 3 claimed commutes, Bingle is scum. Commute should resolve before roleblocker.

Titus · Post Post #1588 (isolation #53) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:02 am

If Bingle flips town with three claimed commutes, we know scum covered for their partner.

If we get two claimed commutes and a flip on town, we get another guilty.

Titus · Post Post #1589 (isolation #54) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:03 am

The reason why they all take the commute is to ensure they're alive to claim it.

Titus · Post Post #1590 (isolation #55) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:05 am

Flea actually should receive NDMath's commute not Bingle.

Titus · Post Post #1591 (isolation #56) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:07 am

In post 1586, Infinity 324 wrote:Is there a reason for scum to lie that there's a commute in their pack that I'm missing?

Bingle took ascetic to avoid NDMATH'S guilty rather than commuter. Taking and actually using ascetic N1 without claiming is a scumclaim.

Titus · Post Post #1593 (isolation #57) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:09 am

In post 1590, Titus wrote:Flea actually should receive NDMath's commute not Bingle.

NM Flea is dead

Titus · Post Post #1596 (isolation #58) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:15 am

In post 1592, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah but

Why say that he has a commute in his pack

When he doesn't

He claimed 2 commutes. 1 that he used N1 then he passed the deck with another commuter.

NDMATH claims to have a commuter in their N1 pack.

I had a commuter in my N1 pack.

That's 4 commuters in N1 packs when the wiki says only 3 can exist.

NDMATH has no reason to lie (unless some off the wall scum with Bingle). I have no reason to lie.

All the commuters use their commutes tonight.

Bingle, EE, Dwelee all commute if they can. Don't try to get cute in case scum try to shoot you for a frame. Do the commute. Group guilty or 1 v 1.

In post 1553, Bingle wrote:Dunnstral -> A50
Bingle -> Dwlee
Infinity 324 -> House
Almost50 -> mastina
Dwlee99 -> Titus
House -> T3
mastina -> NDMath
Titus -> Norwee
T3 -> Dunn
NDMath -> Bingle
NorwegianboyEE -> Infinity

Titus · Post Post #1597 (isolation #59) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:16 am

In post 1594, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1590, Titus wrote:Flea actually should receive NDMath's commute not Bingle.
What did you mean to say here? Flea is dead.

@infinity: What Titus said about claiming commute to avoid that ascetic looks very bad. Maybe Bingle is scum then because why does scum claim they had a commute in the pack there to reach 4 total commutes if they didn't have it?

The odds of having the last commuter in the deck are slim to none. Got burned by odds.

Titus · Post Post #1600 (isolation #60) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:22 am

In post 1599, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1596, Titus wrote:NDMATH has no reason to lie (unless some off the wall scum with Bingle). I have no reason to lie.
My point is that no one has a reason to lie right? Like wouldn't bingle have to pass to a teammate to avoid getting caught? And the teammate would then claim commute when they didn't have one and could easily get caught lying themself?

This whole thing makes no sense

No. Bingle's deck likely has a commute in it fmpov.

The likely lie is that he didn't use an N1 commute. Rather, he took 1-shot activated ascetic N1. That would also make him immune to NDMATH'S check.

Titus · Post Post #1602 (isolation #61) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:27 am

In post 1601, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok but again, why lie

Bingle needs a reason that NDMATH didn't get a result on checking that doesn't require a roleblocker targeting NDMATH. The only options are commuter and ascetic. Both are 1 shot.

Titus · Post Post #1603 (isolation #62) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:29 am

We have a guilty on House today and I suspect a guilty on Bingle tomorrow.

Titus · Post Post #1605 (isolation #63) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:31 am

@NDMATH, What did you use to investigate Bingle?

Titus · Post Post #1609 (isolation #64) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:34 am

In post 1604, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm sorry if I'm being an idiot but

If he took a 1-shot activated ascetic

Why not say that he took a 1-shot activated ascetic

What is the benefit to saying he took a commuter instead??

Because taking and using a 1 shot activated ascetic is a scumclaim, particularly with a commuter in his deck.

First, taking ascetic over commuter indicates he's not afraid of a nightkill.

Second, it violates the rule of if doing negative utility, claim post 1.

Third, if he legit took ascetic and activated it to keep it from scum, he'd say so rather than lying and claiming he took a commuter.

He just got burned by 4 commuters in the deck.

Titus · Post Post #1610 (isolation #65) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:36 am

I just want to hear what

NDMath used to target Bingle and why.

Then I'll be ready to end the day.

Titus · Post Post #1612 (isolation #66) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:37 am

In post 1607, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1604, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm sorry if I'm being an idiot but

If he took a 1-shot activated ascetic

Why not say that he took a 1-shot activated ascetic

What is the benefit to saying he took a commuter instead??
Why would town take an activated ascetic?

Town could take it and not use it.

Titus · Post Post #1615 (isolation #67) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:38 am

Yup. So that's why if we get three commutes Bingle is scum.

Titus · Post Post #1616 (isolation #68) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:41 am

In post 1614, Bingle wrote:There's a counterargument to that logic, but again....

Why would we not wait to solve this until tomorrow? When we have more complete information?

Laying out the logic is important in case I die.

We have a guilty today. No need to flip in use 3 today.

Commuter should act before anything else. So they all commute.

So as soon as NDMath claims what she investigated Bingle with and why, we're good to end the day.

Titus · Post Post #1618 (isolation #69) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:45 am

In post 1617, Bingle wrote:There's no reason not to have this information claimed as the role is spent,

Tracking the used roles is a reason as it generates guilties as we've seen.

Titus · Post Post #1619 (isolation #70) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:45 am

Plus, NDMath could be lying.

Titus · Post Post #1621 (isolation #71) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:47 am

Why do you not consider NDMath could be lying?

Titus · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:06 am

Investigating whether NDMath is lying today gives our protectives and investigates better aiming.

Titus · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:06 am

Plus all of us can comment

Titus · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:30 am

@Bingle, what did Infinity claim and why is it relevant?

Titus · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:31 am

@Bingle, What happens if you and NDMath are scum together?

Titus · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:32 am

I'm not interested in giving NDMath another day to make up their claim.

Titus · Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:07 pm

In post 1641, Bingle wrote:
In post 1639, Titus wrote:I'm not interested in giving NDMath another day to make up their claim.
I agree that there's absolutely no reason it shouldn't come now. I don't think it being delayed until tomorrow is likely to get us less information, but it is technically correct to get the claim here as if he's fakeclaiming the counterclaim could theoretically be held by town House or someone who is NK'd tonight.

Let's get NDMath's claim then end the day.

Titus · Post Post #1652 (isolation #78) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:36 pm

VOTE: House

Titus · Post Post #1663 (isolation #79) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:28 pm

I'd rather get the Strongmen out of the deck.

Titus · Post Post #1713 (isolation #80) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:08 am

House, what are your final reads?

Titus · Post Post #1714 (isolation #81) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:26 am

On second thought, House should have given them already. I am ok with hammer.

Titus · Post Post #1716 (isolation #82) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:33 am

It was nice playing with you House. See you later.

Titus · Post Post #1723 (isolation #83) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:35 am

We need to hear from Dwlee, NorwegianboyEE and Bingle.

Titus · Post Post #1725 (isolation #84) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:41 am

So there must be one scum in NDMath and Bingle.

Titus · Post Post #1727 (isolation #85) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:42 am

*at least

Titus · Post Post #1728 (isolation #86) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:42 am

In post 1726, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Infinity is conf!town right?

How so?

Titus · Post Post #1731 (isolation #87) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:53 am

In post 1730, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1725, Titus wrote:So there must be one scum in NDMath and Bingle.
I’m not sure i understand. Why is it so?

There are only 3 one shot commuters. Bingle said he took one in the deck. Then he passed another to Dwlee. NDMath claimed to pass a commuter to Bingle. I passed a commuter to you. That's 4 commuters for three slots.

If we hear both Dwlee and Bingle commuted, then Bingle couldn't have taken a commuter N1 to avoid NDMath investigating him. That's scum on Bingle.

If we hear Dwlee commuted and Bingle did not, that's scum Bingle or scum NDMath at first. Yet if both passed, we're back at Bingle scum.

If Dwelee did not commute, then we're at Bingle scum.

So scratch that, Bingle is just scum. We should have noticed that yesterday.

Titus · Post Post #1732 (isolation #88) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:55 am

In post 1729, NorwegianboyEE wrote:They gultied House.

Right then 99.9% town. Only reconsider in elo.

Titus · Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:10 am

Dwlee, did you get a commute in your pack?

VOTE: Bingle

Titus · Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:03 pm

In post 1735, Dwlee99 wrote:No, but I don't think that makes Bingle evil.

It does.

If Bingle was town, there's no reason to lie about sending you a commute. He couldn't send you a commute because he lied about having one in his deck.

Titus · Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:09 pm

In post 1737, Dwlee99 wrote:Uh there is a reason to lie

Why?

Titus · Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:18 pm

In post 1551, Bingle wrote:
In post 1523, NDMath wrote:I investigated Bingle last night, claim.
I was untargetable.

Now is the point that we should claim any disproportionately scum oriented roles that were in our opening packs like commuter, multitasking, strongman, ascetic.

My pack had two commutes.

In post 1553, Bingle wrote:Dunnstral -> A50
Bingle -> Dwlee
Infinity 324 -> House
Almost50 -> mastina
Dwlee99 -> Titus
House -> T3
mastina -> NDMath
Titus -> Norwee
T3 -> Dunn
NDMath -> Bingle
NorwegianboyEE -> Infinity

EE commuted.
Dwelee did not. The quote about Bingle having two commutes is a lie or Dwlee is lying scum. Dwlee and Bingle has at least 1 scum.

Titus · Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:27 pm

In post 1740, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1733, Dwlee99 wrote:@
Mastina
: I investigated you. Claim.

I am not saying we shouldn't push here. This may be GG.

Titus · Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:59 pm

I took one last night. It was in my pack.

Titus · Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:59 pm

So Dwlee did not.

Titus · Post Post #1746 (isolation #96) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:06 pm

I think it's just Bingle and mastina.

Titus · Post Post #1747 (isolation #97) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:07 pm

Oh and while we're at it...I investigated NDMath, don't claim (not a guilty).

Titus · Post Post #1752 (isolation #98) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:12 pm

In post 1749, Bingle wrote:I used a commute N1. I lied about sending Dwlee a commute for the dual reasons of preventing scum from fucking with the investigation I'd sent Dwlee, knowing that compared to everything else in the pack it was obvious.

I did take the commute Math sent me but did not use it, because who the fuck would have shot me last night.

Yeah no.

Titus · Post Post #1756 (isolation #99) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:08 pm

In post 1753, Bingle wrote:
In post 1752, Titus wrote:
In post 1749, Bingle wrote:I used a commute N1. I lied about sending Dwlee a commute for the dual reasons of preventing scum from fucking with the investigation I'd sent Dwlee, knowing that compared to everything else in the pack it was obvious.

I did take the commute Math sent me but did not use it, because who the fuck would have shot me last night.
Yeah no.
Titus, think for a second. I had already sent the pack to Dwlee without a commute in it before I claimed I'd sent a commute to Dwlee. Unless I am scum with exactly Dwlee, I knew the lie would be apparent today. What does scum me gain from doing this?

And you decided for whatever reason to not come clean when it was exposed that someone had to be lying?

Titus · Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:02 pm

In post 1757, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1748, Dunnstral wrote:I have something minor to add after the rest of this stuff plays out
T3's pack had a night 2 jailkeeper in it, I felt compelled to use it so I used it on Bingle

So you used it on one of the slots that was supposed to be commuting?

Titus · Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:40 am

Mod:Can mafia use a vig shot or use Vengeful?

Titus · Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:12 am

In post 1812, Dwlee99 wrote:And this is after the guilty which makes me think he was attempting to WIFOM buddy interactions and I think bingle is just town here

It's wifom but consistent. Bingle was largely townread, which is why I had a problem with NDMath investigating Bingle and the type.

Titus · Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:39 pm

I got a job from one of my bigger clients. I still need to keep it but it's great. It may effect my posting rate.

Titus · Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:06 am

In post 1823, Dwlee99 wrote:I knew that cops/gunsmiths/vigs turn up as having a gun, I didn't know vengefuls, detectives, or role cops did (although I guess that should have been obvious because it has the word "cop"). I hadn't actually looked at the gunsmith wiki page before Mastina mentioned vengeful returns having a gun.

Since rolecop has a gun (I thought it didn't), I have a gun. I rolecopped NDMath as I felt her claim was bullshit.

Titus · Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:07 am

I still think Bingle is scum. My money is on Dwlee as his partner.

Titus · Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:55 am

In post 1833, Titus wrote:I still think Bingle is scum. My money is on Dwlee as his partner.

Why would you roleblock your partner?

Bingle needs a decent story about why a commute wasn't in his deck. Dwlee backs him up with a useless result.

Titus · Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:20 am

In post 1839, Bingle wrote:I’ll go ahead and give it to you: It was a pro town gambit. If I did it as scum it’s because it’s what town me would have done. I don’t think I would have realized that as scum though.

That "protown" gambit cost our commutes and got us nothing. You should not have done that. Losing our commutes for one check is a horrible trade even if it worked.

Titus · Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:03 am

In post 1854, Bingle wrote:
In post 1846, Titus wrote:
In post 1839, Bingle wrote:I’ll go ahead and give it to you: It was a pro town gambit. If I did it as scum it’s because it’s what town me would have done. I don’t think I would have realized that as scum though.
That "protown" gambit cost our commutes and got us nothing. You should not have done that. Losing our commutes for one check is a horrible trade even if it worked.
Commutes are a fairly garbage role for town and a pretty powerful one for scum, so… nope.

If it's a fairly garbage role for town, why did you commute and not use the GS in your pack instead?

Titus · Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:36 pm

I'm not reading all this. Occam's Razor people. Bingle picked ascetic or commuter to avoid investigation N1 and the gunsmith angle is a con to hide no second commuter in his deck.

Titus · Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:44 am

In post 1873, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1863, Infinity 324 wrote:Also, Titus's result on math was a rolecop, so it's NAI for math
I'd let the Rolecop (Titus) decide. Like, without trying to "fish" for info, let me give you a hypothetical example: You Rolecop me and find that I'm still Vanilla on N3. Do you think that's NAI? Like, what scum would pass on taking ANY kind of ability for 2-3 nights??

I'll stop at this point. Please don't try to argue further for now. Maybe post-game.

I can decide later. I know what role NDMath took. I can analyze what they do with that role and make up my mind.

I'm in no rush to do so since Bingle and Dwlee99 are obviously teamed. Very slight chance Bingle is hiding behind the fact his pack contained a N2 gunsmith. If Bingle flips town, unlikely, then I'll expand my pool.

Expect for now, unless there's a guilty, I am voteparked until lylo.

Titus · Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:18 am

In post 1875, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1870, Titus wrote:I'm not reading all this. Occam's Razor people. Bingle picked ascetic or commuter to avoid investigation N1 and the gunsmith angle is a con to hide no second commuter in his deck.
I don't think this is a simpler explanation than if bingle is town

Bingle repeatedly lying and only retracting when caught is simpler rather than town bingle blowing up all our investigatives to get a no result. The fact Bingle has no suspicion of Dwlee99 for his bullshit result is another factor.

Titus · Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:26 am

*our protectives

Titus · Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:46 am

In post 1878, Infinity 324 wrote:Without knowing dwlee's alignment you can't blame bingle for the no result

Sure I can. There's always a possibility of a no result. If you believe Bingle, he lied in order to get a result that had very little chance to hit scum and wound up burning all our protective power because he lied. Bingle wanted all the powerful scum roles to out too. There's just no way Bingle is town here.

Titus · Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:00 am

I'm legit going to pull my hair out. We legit caught Bingle in a lie that cost town resources, he's fished to find the good rules for scum, and has awkward interactions with House.

Titus · Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:35 am

In post 1882, Infinity 324 wrote:The "caught in a lie" narrative only works if bingle could've thought there was a chance of getting away with it.

No it really doesn't. Bingle needed to look protown after the ascetic fiasco. He knows the gunsmith is coming down the deck. He didn't take the investigative because it was more important for him to be immune from investigations than to investigate.

Titus · Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:48 am

In post 1884, Bingle wrote:Titus, with all due respect your tunnel here is even shittier than mathblades tunnel on mastina in that game she linked. The tunnel where mathblade tunneled mastina for being a mason in a game with a flipped mason-cop.

Then fucking do something protown. My tunnel is literally the only thing going on this game so it shouldn't be too hard.

Titus · Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:16 am

In post 1889, Bingle wrote:LITERALLY NO ONE THINK'S YOU'RE RIGHT.

By the VC, no one thinks anything.

Titus · Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:16 am

In post 1894, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Meh, Bingle has felt pretty town to me.

Based on?

Titus · Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:18 am

In post 1890, Bingle wrote:If someone gets a mason card tonight they should def use it, but we shouldn't rely on masons to be useful at this point.

Seconded.

Titus · Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:42 am

In post 1899, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1895, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Bingle what is your read on Titus here?
And A50 too.
I wasn't asked but I think her shit push is bad

Bad town or bad scum.

Also, your A50 read?

Titus · Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:03 am

In post 1911, Dwlee99 wrote:I do but a long time ago other than >I think< Dogs v. Cats and I don't remember her doing this kind of thing

In Cats v Dogs, I was set up from the beginning in multiball with everyone and their brother FoSing me

Here, I have independent reasons to SR the both of you and a reason to SR you together. You for the check. Bingle for the lie. I know people disagree on Bingle, but having an unpopular read is no reason to SR me. You're doing OMGUS.

It's particularly telling you avoid comment about EE which makes them likely town if Bingle is town.

Titus · Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:22 am

In post 1916, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm not OMGUSing you. Your push is illogical and I think that is most likely to come from scum!Titus because I don't think town!Titus triples down on bad logic.

Maybe you think my Bingle push is bad logic, but there's plenty of logic to push on you (bad check with mastina's claim). You didn't push me as scum until I highlighted that.

Titus · Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:09 am

In post 1949, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1948, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1947, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1925, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I still think you performed an rather useless action though, which feels more pro-scum than it does town.
Isn't that usually more likely to come from town though?
How so?
I feel scum are usually more careful and don't tend to use plays like this

It's a very careful scum play to land on a townie that has a gun. We get no information. Dwlee99 posted that he looked back. He or a teammate could have easily seen that crumb.

Titus · Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:20 am

Can the people not voting vote?

Titus · Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:30 pm

I like mastina's case even though it's not on Dwlee or Bingle. I am willing to compromise there.

Titus · Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:22 pm

In post 1983, Bingle wrote:
In post 1973, Titus wrote:I like mastina's case even though it's not on Dwlee or Bingle. I am willing to compromise there.
The Norwee one or the Dunn one?

Norwee

Titus · Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:38 pm

In post 1993, Almost50 wrote:#2 Titus and Norwee should have more knowledge about it, as that pack (passed from Titus to Norwee and to Dunn tonight

What's this about my pack now? Why are we fishing for this?

Titus · Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:39 pm

In post 2008, Dwlee99 wrote:A rolecop could confirm Dunn's claim if I understand mason picking correctly.

Yes, but I bet that claim is NAI.

Titus · Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:19 pm

In post 2013, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2011, Titus wrote:
In post 2008, Dwlee99 wrote:A rolecop could confirm Dunn's claim if I understand mason picking correctly.
Yes, but I bet that claim is NAI.
If Dunn gets rolecopped as a mason he is conftown.

No. Scum can select the mason card, they just don't get PT access. See the wiki.

Titus · Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:53 pm

VOTE: NorweiganBoyEE

Titus · Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:21 am

NDMath, your result please?

It will likely clear or confirm someone.

Also, there's a strongman and vanilla in my last pack left. So the person who gets that pack will take the strongman.

Titus · Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:21 am

In post 2085, NDMath wrote:VOTE: dwlee
Hard Guilty

Vouch this is possible.

Scum should concede.

VOTE: Dwlee

Titus · Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:26 am

Yes, I rolecopped NDMath after the follower claim. I got N1 follower and N3 follower.

Dwlee are you ceding?

Titus · Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:33 am

Well sorry Bingle. I knew the result on mastina was hinky.

Titus · Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:13 am

Mod: Why did I get a new neighbor thread?

(It has zero posts lol, so no redactions)

Titus · Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:17 am

In post 2105, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Imagine not posting in your exclusive thread.

It was my exclusive thread for like 5 minutes. Shortest hood ever.

Titus · Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:48 am

In post 2117, Bingle wrote:
In post 2096, Titus wrote:Well sorry Bingle. I knew the result on mastina was hinky.
No worries. I did what I did because the pack was commute, N2 gsmith, odd doc and I thought I was likely to die N1 over just about everyone. (Originally I’d submitted a Dunn heal, but decided taking the commute was probably safer). I lied mostly because the odds of the lie being called out were low ~25% both other commutes were chosen - odds they were already burned and I didn’t want the doc role to disappear.

Fwiw, I had a similar read on you n1 which is why I put NDMath to the test over their claim. It's why I rolecopped them. I would have rolecopped you based on my beliefs but lol commuting.

Titus · Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:50 am

Btw, it was fun playing with all of you. If you can make it to Sacramento next month, I am hosting a mafiascum get together.

Titus · Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:20 am

I'm not sure how feasible this is but what about adding things like

N2 Tracker or Strongman that way there's a scum role and a town role in the same pack