Read Your Role Mafia - Game Over

[ooba]

I do not feel like random voting this game ..

[ooba]

any real reason to that?

Just bored of random votes .

[ooba]

Vote : Natirasha

[ooba]

so you didn't want to random vote....
then why the vote on nat?

Because its not random?

[ooba]

Unovte

[ooba]

Unovte.
Vote : charter

[ooba]

unvote, vote ooba

First you say you don't want to random vote, then you vote Nat on page three. When i ask you about it, you say it isn't a random vote, but never explain why you voted for him. Next you unvote Nat, again with no explanation, and now 2 pages later you jump on the Charter wagon with, once again, no explanation of why.

I thought it was quite obvious - I voted nat cause he hadn't posted in the thread till then, unvoted after he had posted and hopped on to the charter wagon for pressure ..

[ooba]

A Sens wagon would be dumb, he is town I am fairly sure.

This is why carter needs pressure..

1)no it was not obvious, and I don't see the point of voting someone if you aren't stating why, because then it could be for any reason you come up with, much like your reason for the Nat vote.

And I do not see the point of stating a reason as to why i voted when it was quite obvious - Nat hadn't posted so it was a pressure/prod vote

wolframnhart stated it already, but at this point, I think that

ooba's indecisive wagon hopping

is only matched by his statement of refusing to random vote. Both alone are harmless, but matched together, rubs the wrong way.

Where have i been indecisive?

[ooba]

wolframnhart stated it already, but at this point, I think that

ooba's indecisive wagon hopping

is only matched by his statement of refusing to random vote. Both alone are harmless, but matched together, rubs the wrong way.

Where have i been indecisive?

Sociopath, you still haven't answered this question ..

Ooba, why jump wagons so much?

The Nat vote was not a wagon. You're stretching it ..

Ooba has been acting way more oddly with his

random bandwagon jumping

.

Please explain the following parts of this statement
a) How were my votes random?
b) When did I bandwagon jump?

His obvious following the leader with no reasoning of his own. Also, not much activity.

Considering the fact that I was only on one wagon and never 'bandwagon jumped' and that I've got twice the number of posts you've got - you're just stretching the arguments the others have made before you and added a few more stretches of your own.

[ooba]

The reason you stated voting for Natirasha: ______
Later reason: Not random.
Even later reason: "Obvious" because he hadn't posted.


The reason you stated voting for charter: ______
Later reason: Pressure
Even later reason: Him saying he thinks Sens is town.

Both these do not point to indecisiveness
a) Not Random is not a reason
b) Pressure for what - for him saying he feels fairly sure that sens is town. Both are not different reasons.

Indecisiveness would be
You voted for Seraphim. The reason stated was: ________
Later reason: For qualifying every joke he makes with j/k
Even later reason: For making stretching attacks on me

Note in this example, the reason initially stated was different from the one states afterwards - Hence indecisiveness.

[ooba]

Indecisiveness would be
You voted for Seraphim. The reason stated was: ________
Later reason: For qualifying every joke he makes with j/k
Even later reason: For making stretching attacks on me

Someone voted for Seraphim?

Note in this example, the reason initially stated was different from the one states afterwards - Hence indecisiveness.

I'll assume in this 'example' you meant the people Seraphim voted for, and not people that voted him.

His first vote didn't have a reason other than it was a random vote.

His second vote was calling you out, he stated the reasons, whether you liked his reasonings or not.
Stretching attacks or not, reasons are reasons.

No you've got it wrong ..

This was a hypothetical example where I voted for Seraphim to show what indecisiveness in voting reasons actually meant ..

Initially stated reason : "I'm voting for him cause he qualifies everything with a j/k"

5 posts later : "The reason i voted for him was because he made stretching attacks on me"

[ooba]

So you are esentially defending yourself by making up things about yourself that didn't happen in order to theorhetically prove how you would act if what you are being accused of was true?

The way you phrased "giving an example" to "making up things about yourself that didn't happen" makes it appear scummy , but you're statement is true -> my nat and charter vote weren't indecisive and this example was to show actual indecisive behavior.

As opposed to providing anything real and useful?

You accused me of being indecisive. So don't you consider my replies to those accusations as real and useful?

[ooba]

I think it means an attempt to change the subject.

I would appreciate it if you could reply to my questions in post 170

[ooba]

As opposed to providing anything real and useful?

You accused me of being indecisive. So don't you consider my replies to those accusations as real and useful?

[ooba]

The problem is, I can't make the game not boring alone.

One person can make a game exciting if they want to...

A semi-hilarious semi-sad example from one of my earlier games

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6151

Read the first few pages and Karen's posts ..

[ooba]

You accused me of being indecisive. So don't you consider my replies to those accusations as real and useful?

No, I don't. Why? Because you haven't really replied.

You just keep beating around the bush.

You made Post 175
I replied in Post 176
If you really thought I had not replied, you would have mentioned the fact when you posted the next time in post 196

FoS: SocioPath

Your tactic of asking questions, and then asking the same questions stated later in different ways, and then later quoting earlier questions, is just a simple tactic of trying to keep the pressure off of yourself and onto the other person.

Just remember that
a) Asking questions is a playstyle - nothing inherently scummy in that
b) If you do not answer the questions I asked the first time, I will quote them again

It is just a ploy to look like you are contributing, when in reality your responces have been thin and clouded by you questioning everything else...other than the 'example' you gave for why you weren't indecisive.

In fact, in my eyes, that has become the scummiest thing about you now.

If there's something particularly scummy or something which i think needs questioning, then i will question it. For example, If I think an attack on me is vague, then I will get clarifications. If you think clarifications are my way of pushing the limelight away from me and that makes me scum - you really have to rethink your simplistic approach to the game.

[ooba]

Yaw, basically everyone in the game is waiting on SSK or

ooba

, until they post, or people try and look elsewhere, it's probably not going to get better.

Who is waiting for me exactly?

[ooba]

Yaw, basically everyone in the game is waiting on SSK or

ooba

, until they post, or people try and look elsewhere, it's probably not going to get better.

Who is waiting for me exactly?

Sorry, I thought I'd asked you a question, I went back and realized I didn't. Here is one though.
Why did you hold off giving reasons for your votes, and then

changing the reasons

after you had gave them the first time? SP had a good post explaining it,

You have made two serious votes this game in a short amount of time.
You weren't the first for either of them and just hopped from one to the other.
Your statement that you weren't going to random vote means that yes, both of your votes were serious.

The reason you stated voting for Natirasha: ______
Later reason: Not random.
Even later reason: "Obvious" because he hadn't posted.


The reason you stated voting for charter: ______
Later reason: Pressure
Even later reason: Him saying he thinks Sens is town.


Generally it is best to at least have a reason first before voting, especially if you imply that everyone of your votes has reason, as opposed to voting first and covering yourself with reasons later as more develops. Especially when stating that everyone of your votes has reason with the statement of you not random voting.

But I'm not saying you were indecisive, because you weren't, I want to know why you didn't give your reasons when you initially voted, and then later

changed

them. Twice.

a) Not Random is not a reason
b) Pressure for what - for him saying he feels fairly sure that sens is town. Both are not different reasons.

I never changed any reasons. The only 'case' you have against me is that I did not provide my reasons when i initially voted for Nat and you.

[ooba]

MafiaSSK needs to post or be replaced ...

[ooba]

I'd prefer a SSK lynch ..

Not only does he lurk throughout Day 1 , he votes and disappears on a meta and disappears without explaining why.

[ooba]

Unvote. Vote : MafiaSSK

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Current Vote count ..

6 MafiaSSK (Caboose, wolframnhart, forbiddanlight, SensFan, charter, ooba)
2 charter (ooba, MafiaSSK)
1 Electra (Seraphim,Empking, SocioPath)
1 SocioPath (Yaw)

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MafiaSSK claim please ..

[ooba]

EBWOP : Remove my vote from carter in that vote count ..