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[Dwlee99]

No one hammer. Hammerinh here early is a scumclaim

You can unvote and we can give you hammering privileges

[humaneatingmonkey]

If Seanzie is town, we lost. There's no way we wouldn't be eliminating Taco tomorrow.

Why would that mean we lose? Taco is certainly evil in that scenario.

In this scenario Taco is town

[Dwlee99]

There's no world where Seanzie and Taco are both town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why? Truth be told I have applied zero elbow grease into this game and I'm only surface-level reading ISOs. It felt pointless to read the game when a cop is claiming to have a guilty on someone in non-ELo conditions and that flip hasn't happened yet. So maybe you can tell me why they can't both be town.

[Dwlee99]

Because if Seanzie flips town then Taco must have lied about being a cop with a guilty, which is a scum claim.

[Shrek]

if taco is telling the truth he understands how i can confirm what he's saying and why he shouldn't full claim. probably shouldnt say that regardless but hes confirming himself as cop anyways.

if seanzie claimed something other than vt i would be inclined to give him benefit of the doubt, but that buildup into a straight basic claim is sus af and basically confirms what taco has said here.

[T3]

No one hammer. Hammerinh here early is a scumclaim

So you were drunk? -_-

[T3]

I think a fullclaim is probably necessary? Or is Tacoba retracting?

[Dwlee99]

Taco claimed cop. I don't think saying don't early hammer is a retraction.

[Shrek]

early hammering is a scumclaim regardless of which way seanzie flips because a scum can just use it to gain towncred for themselves by saying 'but i was the one who got him out' or something like that. at this point its pretty clear seanzie is screwed unless something major happens so a mafia bussing him and using that to end the day early to prevent spread of info, getting in a nightkill, and gaining towncred would be a very legitimate strategy

[T3]

Oh, got it.

[Seanzie]

Taco, I'm going to hammer myself. Got anything to admit?

[Titus]

Sean, can you give last reads?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think taco shouldn't claim here though, as there is real reason to think the guilty is fake here for a lot of people. Means if he really is PR then scum may not kill him of they think he is faking. If he claims that goes out the window

This doesn't make sense. We will instantly know if Taco is faking if Seanzie flips town. Scum instantly knows right now if Taco is faking. Why would town still think he's fake if the guilty was legitimate? Why would scum still think he's fake if the guilty is legitimate?

If the claim is legitimate and Seanzie is scum, we move ELo to Day 4 and it would be dangerous to keep a confirmed cop past N2.
If the claim is illegitimate, then Taco is either town who's lying and

The proper move is to assure us that the claim is 100% beyond a reasonable doubt, so we don't go into a situation where Taco has a false guilty and he's town.

I think from the interaction that seanzie seems caught for the wrong reasons. He is arguing against the guilty as though taco could have it by trying to argue why taco doesnt have it. If from seanzie's pov taco cant have a guilty on him there's no reasoning to be done. You just throw down. That's what Andres did in 2213 when I faked a guilty on him as town.

If seanzie is scum though, scum don't know whether tacos claim is real, and the only hope for them that seanzie doesn't die is to elim taco now and flip a role that can't have a guilty.

[Seanzie]

Sean, can you give last reads?

Already did. I think Zyla, Taco and Shrek are the most likely wolves.

Taco definitely should go over. Zyla is probably a PR and needs to go over. Shrek is also outed unless there is actually a cop in the setup.

I'm very pissed and over this game at this point.

[Seanzie]

I think taco shouldn't claim here though, as there is real reason to think the guilty is fake here for a lot of people. Means if he really is PR then scum may not kill him of they think he is faking. If he claims that goes out the window

This doesn't make sense. We will instantly know if Taco is faking if Seanzie flips town. Scum instantly knows right now if Taco is faking. Why would town still think he's fake if the guilty was legitimate? Why would scum still think he's fake if the guilty is legitimate?

If the claim is legitimate and Seanzie is scum, we move ELo to Day 4 and it would be dangerous to keep a confirmed cop past N2.
If the claim is illegitimate, then Taco is either town who's lying and

The proper move is to assure us that the claim is 100% beyond a reasonable doubt, so we don't go into a situation where Taco has a false guilty and he's town.

I think from the interaction that seanzie seems caught for the wrong reasons. He is arguing against the guilty as though taco could have it by trying to argue why taco doesnt have it. If from seanzie's pov taco cant have a guilty on him there's no reasoning to be done. You just throw down. That's what Andres did in 2213 when I faked a guilty on him as town.

If seanzie is scum though, scum don't know whether tacos claim is real, and the only hope for them that seanzie doesn't die is to elim taco now and flip a role that can't have a guilty.

Uhh, what? Yes, Taco is BSing, I am trying to show the thread that Taco is BSing. Not sure how you have an issue with that.

What do you mean by "throw down" here?

[Taco Hemingway]

I have nothing to say.

[Seanzie]

Imagine "Seanzie is a wolf because Taco faked a redcheck and Seanzie FOUGHT BACK! GASP!"

WTF?

[Taco Hemingway]

Well.i do.but not to you

[Taco Hemingway]

I'm keeping the self hammer available becauae i derive a certain pleasure from scum self hammering themselves when im in the game

[Taco Hemingway]

I know what you think im going to do - that im going to retract and say "it was a reaction test and you passed"
But no its not.

[Taco Hemingway]

Any last words sean?

[Taco Hemingway]

perhaps wifom us a partner or something m

[Seanzie]

VOTE: Seanzie

Taco bad. Kill them. If they flip scum, great. If for some reason they flip town, then town just deserves to lose because Taco's play this game is horrendous and the loss is 150% Taco's fault. I have only unkind words left to utter, so I will keep quiet.

[Taco Hemingway]

I think taco shouldn't claim here though, as there is real reason to think the guilty is fake here for a lot of people. Means if he really is PR then scum may not kill him of they think he is faking. If he claims that goes out the window

This doesn't make sense. We will instantly know if Taco is faking if Seanzie flips town. Scum instantly knows right now if Taco is faking. Why would town still think he's fake if the guilty was legitimate? Why would scum still think he's fake if the guilty is legitimate?

If the claim is legitimate and Seanzie is scum, we move ELo to Day 4 and it would be dangerous to keep a confirmed cop past N2.
If the claim is illegitimate, then Taco is either town who's lying and

The proper move is to assure us that the claim is 100% beyond a reasonable doubt, so we don't go into a situation where Taco has a false guilty and he's town.

I think from the interaction that seanzie seems caught for the wrong reasons. He is arguing against the guilty as though taco could have it by trying to argue why taco doesnt have it. If from seanzie's pov taco cant have a guilty on him there's no reasoning to be done. You just throw down. That's what Andres did in 2213 when I faked a guilty on him as town.

If seanzie is scum though, scum don't know whether tacos claim is real, and the only hope for them that seanzie doesn't die is to elim taco now and flip a role that can't have a guilty.

this is a certain complexity that makes me feel better about kyouko slot oddly