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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:16 pm

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See, lets look at this.

Apothecary being scum is unlikely. He hammered in a either or scenario.

PimHel is less likely scum as he started the momentum of the BA wagon and didn't change, as well as swapping off Bulvox at the start and showing legit concern after the hammer pre-reveal (weaker, but in combo with the rest...)

I guess I'm less clear then those two as my vote was at a more opportune time to bus, but I definitely had a lot of opportunity to swap off the wagon at the end there, especially given the fact I basically made the case on Bulvox.

That all said, looking back I forgot about Natirasha's hop off BA to Bulvox real close to dead line. FAR scummier then raider.

Unvote, Vote Natirasha


The scum is most likely in the group of Bulvox, raider, and natirasha just based on the wagon (Bulvox c is least likely given how BA attacked him early, but if both were scum in that scenario the cross vote is valid play). Not assured in that group, but likely. There's a chance of bussing and what not.

Also, I think we should discuss a mass claim, or alternatively a mass claim of just those who didn't vote BA.


So, basically, the cases at hand.

Raider-
BA ignored him beyond the early game semi-random stuff, but raider attacked back a bit and still voted Bulvox

Nat-
Swapped really close to the end
BA ignored Nat when lurker attacking



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Natirasha (1) - armlx


Not Voting (5) - Natirasha, Apothecary, raider8169, PimHel, Bulvox

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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:35 pm

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I dont think claiming would be the best idea just yet. Only because I would like to hear from everyone first. After that then if that is what people want I am for it.
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:42 pm

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I dont think claiming would be the best idea just yet. Only because I would like to hear from everyone first. After that then if that is what people want I am for it.
Like I said, I want everyone's opinion on the subject before me move ahead with this.

Also, the reason to mass claim today is so there's no WIFOM in LyLo if someone counter claims a power role claim. If that happens today, we just lynch both over the next 2 days. We will have 2-4 confirmeds if we do claim today (doc, cop/nurse, possible cop investigation if it wasn't the doctor, and whoever the doctor protected if it wasn't a cop/nurse or who a cop investigated).
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:43 pm

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Armix, I wouldn't have thought that having a mass role claim would've done us any good. But who knows.
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:50 pm

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Armix, I wouldn't have thought that having a mass role claim would've done us any good. But who knows.
Mass claim clears 2-4 people as I said.

If we wait till tomorrow, mafia can counter claim someone and force us into a 50/50. If we claim today, they can't do that as we lynch one today, other tomorrow.
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:52 am

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I can agree with armlx mass claim. It could help us indeed later on.
At this moment, I think apothecary and armlx are town. Armlx actually did the most work with BA and apothecary could have hammered Bulvox instead which would have resulted probably in lylo (if I'm correct).

Bulvox, I'm not sure about. BA's attack could seen as both pro and anti town for Bulvox, however at this moment I can see him more as town. But I'm not sure.

Leading us to Natirasha and Raider. I can't say that I've contributed much, but I can say that Natirasha also hasn't. As his vote on BA. I don't see it as a real reason to vote. He was asked by raider and others to vote with a real reason. But when you look at his post where he votes BA, you can see a question mark at the end. I have a feeling that if he didn't have to vote back then, he wouldn't have voted BA and took his change to switch to Bulvox. I want an explanation from him for his vote on Bulvox.

Left is raider. He starts voting Natirasha for lurking and hopes he will talk more. Eventually he unvotes as his vote would only be helpful if it leads to a lynch, but eventually says he doesn't want that. But then he mentions that armlx's case against Bulvox is better than his case against Natirasha. However, I didn't see a case about Natirasha, only that he's lurking. Then he's saying something about BA's claim which caught my attention.
BlakAdder wrote:
I'm townie.

At L-1 thats all you have to say?
Why would Raider say this?
Also he says that Bulvox's case seemed stronger to him, but I can't remember that he actually said why Bulvox case seemed good to him.
I agree with armlx. Thanking the doctor is most of the time a scum tell.

At this moment I'm having doubts about raider and natirasha. Hopefully a mass claim could help us more.
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:58 am

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apothecary could have hammered Bulvox instead which would have resulted probably in lylo (if I'm correct).
That is correct.
I agree with armlx. Thanking the doctor is most of the time a scum tell.
A weak one.
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:46 am

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PimHel wrote:
BlakAdder wrote:
I'm townie.

At L-1 thats all you have to say?
Why would Raider say this?
Also he says that Bulvox's case seemed stronger to him, but I can't remember that he actually said why Bulvox case seemed good to him.
I agree with armlx. Thanking the doctor is most of the time a scum tell.

At this moment I'm having doubts about raider and natirasha. Hopefully a mass claim could help us more.
I said that because he was at L-1. I was expecting some sort of defense and not for him to just sit there and take it. It seemed odd to me.

Thanking the doctor a scum tell? I would think of it more as a null tell then anything. I guess someone could be stupid and say your welcome or something to that effect. Oh well.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:38 pm

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I'm a cop with an innocent on PimHel
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:32 pm

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Assuming that Apothecary is not idiot scum, then that leaves the final scum between armlx, Bulvox, or raider. I say we don't claim today and lynch one of those three.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:33 pm

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Ergo,
Vote: Bulvox
, and lets go from there.
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:47 pm

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I would actually start with Raider.

Unvote, Vote Raider


I am not a Nurse or Cop. Would anyone like to counter claim Nat?
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:35 pm

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I am also a nobody. However, I believe that armlx is innocent, so I will join him in
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:35 am

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Im vanilla.

Armlx and Bulvox, what are your reasons for voting me?

Bulvox answer first.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:45 am

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raider8169 wrote:Im vanilla.

Armlx and Bulvox, what are your reasons for voting me?

Bulvox answer first.
Because your scum in their eyes, and your on the short list. Essentially, this is a game of "Follow-the-Cop" now.
AKA, doc don't claim.
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:20 am

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Natirasha wrote:
raider8169 wrote:Im vanilla.

Armlx and Bulvox, what are your reasons for voting me?

Bulvox answer first.
Because your scum in their eyes, and your on the short list. Essentially, this is a game of "Follow-the-Cop" now.
AKA, doc don't claim.
They need more of a reason then that. I think I am at L-1 with no reason. That is scummy and Bulvox as I voted him yesterday is just jumping aboard. I dont like it one bit.
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:38 am

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Vote: raider
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:38 am

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At this point, raider, if your town, you should of been fine with just lynching yourself to prove your towniness.

unvote, vote: raider
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:52 am

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Unvote


Seriously.

Wait one fucking minute for people to counter claim if necessary.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:59 am

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And everyone else unvote so no one does something dumb.

Nat, this game is NOT follow the cop right now. Its

1) Check to see if you aren't lying by asking everyone if they are a nurse/cop.

2) Ask everyone if they are a doc who prevented a kill on someone other then Nat/Pim last night.

3) Check for counter claims there if someone claims.

4) If someone claims doc with a protect on myself, bulvox, apothecary or Raider, it gets obvious real fast as there's 2 unconfirmeds and 2 lynches. If they don't, we lynch raider, Nat investigates either myself or Bulvox, and as long as the doc doesn't die tonight we get to no lynch and have Nat confirm that Apothecary is town too and lynch the last unconfirmed.

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NO ONE VOTE UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL ROUND OF YES/NO ON A COUNTER CLAIM TO NATIRASHA
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:48 am

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Yeah, just a thought. Nat, you claimed cop,
then
said we shouldn't claim. Then you tried to hammer Raider.

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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:52 am

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Apothecary, are you a nurse or cop?

Same to Pim Hel.

If neither of you are, Natirasha is confirmed town.
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:52 am

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armlx wrote:Apothecary, are you a nurse or cop?

Same to Pim Hel.

If neither of you are, Natirasha is confirmed town.
How do you know there is even a cop in this game?
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:55 am

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Natirasha wrote:At this point, raider, if your town, you should of been fine with just lynching yourself to prove your towniness.

unvote, vote: raider
Are you kidding me?!?!

The scummiest thing someone can do is lynch themselves. It hurts the town on so many levels.

I have yet to have a case agianst me. If I was to be lynched it is just a waste as no information is coming out of this.
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:58 am

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I have yet to have a case agianst me. If I was to be lynched it is just a waste as no information is coming out of this.
See the top of the page, and I'm pretty sure you are scum because of this. Its not a game of info at this point, its a game of most people are confirmed town and half or less aren't.
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