Mafia 83 - Game Ended Scum Win!

[hasdgfas]

Unvote; Vote: Jebus

because it's the best we have to go on for Day 1.

Why, exactly is it the best we have to go on, Gnome?

[Jebus]

@Reclusion: That post is against BM. I still feel Cow is a better lynch, but meh.

Unvote

- I forgot to do this before

[Jebus]

Oh, and to make it count,

Vote: Hasdgfas

[hasdgfas]

Oh, and to make it count,

Vote: Hasdgfas

Please respond to my defense.

[Mr_Gnome_It_All]

Why, exactly is it the best we have to go on, Gnome?

Seriously, he subscribed to two totally contradictory lines of thought inside the space of one post, and has pointedly ignored all requests to explain himself for this. It's really overshadowing anything anyone else has done, and when he refuses to even make a defence, there's not a lot more I can say.

It's enough for me. There's rarely anything better to go on for day 1, in my poor experience.

[Jebus]

Vote: Hasdgfas

Aside from the fact that your name is hard to pronounce (>.<)

Cow is fine.

'kay.

Post 207+210+198 - Pretty much what Netman said.

As far as I can tell, Netman was only saying that because he thought I didn't answer the question when I actually did. That just undermines his entire attack on me. In addition, it's terrible logic all the way through. In fact:

unvote, vote: Jebus

If you want the reason, it's because it's a lot scummier to agree with terrible logic than have the terrible logic.

Just in general the refusal to answer a simple question that you could have answered 'no idea' to, not all of what I said.

Post 41 (and 43 as followup) - This is the first post that makes me think BM and Has are related in some way.

So I answered a question. I wasn't totally sure it was directed at BM when I answered it, plus, it should have been directed at the whole town because BM wasn't the only person to think like that.

It's really has little bearing, since what you said could easily be considered as valid

Post 170 - Seems faked to me. Could just be the mood of this search, though :/

Me questioning a vote on me seems faked? what? mood of the search? What are you talking about?

@mood of the search - I thought you seemed scummy, so I was searching for posts to back it up.
@Faked - It just seems 'faked'.

Noted: Post 121+126 - Goes after Reclusion

Going after is a very strong term for what I did.

Strong or not, you still tried to go after Rec here. I don't think it has much relevance now, but it may later.

Noted: Post 194 - A one liner that is both ironic and flat-out wrong.

Ironic? what? And it was absolutely correct. Read his post again. It does absolutely nothing for the game. It's just a very long "hi I'm still here" post.

Flat-out wrong was pushing it, and meh, I didn't read Netman's post below. Disregard this part

So changing my list a bit, I think the mafia includes Hasd, BM, Reclusion, and possibly Yaw. And I'll probably look at BM in a little bit, and Reclusion/Yaw as well.

Please try to remember that A) we haven't even found 1 mafia member yet, B) not everyone who seems a little suspicious is scum, and C) just because people are talking a lot doesn't mean they're scum. Is there a reason you're looking at 4 of the more talkative people as scum?

A) I realize this.
B) I realize this too.
C)More talkative = more chances to strike me as scum. That, and my theory that at least one scum member is involved in the group of talkative people, if that group contains at least three people.

[Jebus]

Why, exactly is it the best we have to go on, Gnome?

Seriously, he subscribed to two totally contradictory lines of thought inside the space of one post, and has pointedly ignored all requests to explain himself for this. It's really overshadowing anything anyone else has done, and when he refuses to even make a defence, there's not a lot more I can say.

It's enough for me. There's rarely anything better to go on for day 1, in my poor experience.

Wanna explain/give reasoning beyond what iamusername said?

And at the contradictions, I have a tendency to make them when I'm not thinking while I type, or something like that. Confuzzling, really.

[Yaw]

@mood of the search - I thought you seemed scummy, so I was searching for posts to back it up.

See, this is my big problem with what you did. You weren't looking for scum. You were looking to ring someone up. And the shoddiness of the "evidence" you found backs that up.

Unvote

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Vote: Jebus

[iamausername]

P.S. Interesting time stamp. Why were you able to post something almost instantaneously when I mentioned your name?

Because my spider sense starts tingling every time someone says my name. Obviously, I just happened to be reading the thread immediately after you posted that. What exactly is the point of this question?

And at the contradictions, I have a tendency to make them when I'm not thinking while I type, or something like that. Confuzzling, really.

OK, so which of the contradictory statements did you actually mean to say, and which one was just an unthinking outburst of typing? Is it scummy to support Lynch All Lurkers or not?

[Jebus]

I meant to say Lynch all Lurkers is good, but Lynching people who are just inactive is not.

[chazworthington]

First off, sorry for disappearing. Work exploded with the quarter close coming.

Bolded is mine. I'm going to single Netman out here but this applies to others: I don't think D1 is about catching scum in a lie or anything concrete like that. I think its much more important later in the game to go back and see who people claimed to be suspicious of during D1. When people say "It's D1, I can't really find anything", I think its time to start looking at those people.

Just curious. Say for the sake of argument that I know I'm town. And assume all I have now is notes about potential connections, inferences, and hunches. How does it help the town for me to point these out

today

, when I can point them out tomorrow? Again, assuming I'm in the uninformed majority, I don't

know

who is innocent (besides me) and thus personally have no strong preference who gets lynched out of the pool of unknowns.

In fact, if I did have some strong opinions (but no real facts), wouldn't it be best to bring them up

tomorrow

, when I have more information to go on? In fact, the only reason I can see to throw around suspicions right now is to make myself look less like scum trying to lurk.

But again, if I have strong opinions, I want to look scummy enough to survive the night, given that scum often kill the least-suspicious pro-town player

.

So chazworthington, feel free to FOS me, or even vote to lynch me, but first, tell me what would be the smarter play for the town in the current situation.

Bolded is mine.

I have no problem with holding cards if it gives scum enough rope to hang themselves. At the same time, I believe its important for everyone to weigh in and try to scumhunt D1. To do otherwise would give the scum a free pass.

As to your question, I'm going to answer that it is entirely dependent on what you are observing.

The bolded part is the problem. You're playing for your own survival instead of the town's in this case. I know anti-town does not mean scum, but I don't like that statement.

As requested:

FOS: Netman

[chazworthington]

Chaz, if you look at the third quote from me you used, you can see

'only 6 pages long'

. I never said the whole day. Besides, what did we have during those 6 pages?

I do't have time to look for it now, but you've made the same argument when the thread was "only 7 pages long" as well. At what point does the thread get long enough for you? The one newbie game I played on this site I caught scum on D1 on page six, I just didn't know how to convinve teh town of my argument.

[Reclusion]

P.S. Interesting time stamp. Why were you able to post something almost instantaneously when I mentioned your name?

Because my spider sense starts tingling every time someone says my name. Obviously, I just happened to be reading the thread immediately after you posted that. What exactly is the point of this question?

That should be fairly obvious. I suspected you might have been lurking.

[Jebus]

Honestly, I thought that after he voted me he'd sit the rest of the day out, or it seemed like he would anyway

[qwints]

What's the vote count?

[iamausername]

I meant to say Lynch all Lurkers is good, but Lynching people who are just inactive is not.

How would you go about determining the difference?

Honestly, I thought that after he voted me he'd sit the rest of the day out, or it seemed like he would anyway

What gave you that impression?

The bolded part is the problem. You're playing for your own survival instead of the town's in this case. I know anti-town does not mean scum, but I don't like that statement.

Quotin' dis.

[Jebus]

I meant to say Lynch all Lurkers is good, but Lynching people who are just inactive is not.

How would you go about determining the difference?

Checking the date the person in question last logged in, I guess.

[Battle Mage]

Post 31 (followup post 32+33+34+~35) - Introduces minor possibility of being a scum team with cow.
Post 169 - Refers back to Cow's post 95 > Seems odd in general.


Questions:
Post 52 - by your alt?


And in general, his posts just seem (I can't think of the word >.<)... inconsistent (?). I dunno. Weird in general.

Post 52 was a joke. I dont see how 169 seems odd. But i think your issue is probably that you haven't come to terms with how i play. Which is makin u take pretty normal things FOR ME, as being wierd.

Unvote, Vote: Jebus

Seems like a good Day 1 bandwagon to me.

BM

[MafiaSSK]

What's the vote count?

Is this a request for one

[iamausername]

What's the vote count?

Is this a request for one

Even if it's not, this is.

[MafiaSSK]

5th Vote Count(Or the BANDWAGON AHOY! votecount)

Jebus-6(Iamausername,qwints,Mr_Gnome_It_All,Battle Mage,hascow,Yaw)

alvinz95-1(Reclusion)
Battle Mage-2(alvinz95,Xtoxm)
Hascow-1(Jebus)
iamausername-1(chazworthington)

With 14 Alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Current Deadline:September 28

[hasdgfas]

Mod:

I voted for Jebus in post 230.

[Battle Mage]

I think Jebus should now claim.

BM

[Yaw]

Also, I voted for Jebus in 257. Which would mean we're at lynch-1, so nobody else vote for Jebus right now.

[Mana_Ku]

Chaz, the 7 was only because when I wrote it, there was one more page more than when I wrote the 6 pages thing. Besides, we now have content. Although I don't know what happened as I still have to read. Stupid internet problem.

Jebus isn't at L-1, as he unvoted and voted cow.