Mini 650: Over

[SensFan]

Oh, I think they each have something about 75% chance of being Scum. There's no way in Hell I'm going to consent to either lynch today, though.

Why won't you lynch either today?

If they are Town, we force the Scum to kill them, or they help us out tremendously.
If they are Scum, we will definatively find out down the road, especially Light.

[Kmd4390]

afat is scum but I'm ok with waiting on that one.

[OverCaffeinated]

Hey, news flash, OC. We talked about my playstyle over ten pages ago. Yes, a lot of people don't agree with it, but if you have a problem, why not bring it up then? I'll admit that this post shows you put almost no force behind votes, but I try to be more deliberate with mine. I've said this before, and really, move on. If you think I'm hiding something, ask me on THAT.

I did bring it up then.

...And I'm not going to throw down a vote when I haven't seen much of anyone else. (That's my play style - very conservative with my vote, as opposed to those who use it as a pressure tool. This tends to make me the hammerer.)...

Huge

FOS: hitogoroshi

for this playing style. Holding back your vote so as to not give out unneeded information is a standard scum tactic.

So, rather than just having the style, I'm scum for saying it...? If you really want, do the meta analysis of my last game (Newbie 620). It's how I played then, as town, and it's how I'm playing now, as town. I just thought I'd say why I'm not bandwagoning people just for not posting. Sheesh.[/url]

Your playing style does not help the town find scum, it just helps you live longer.

I used to play the exact same way. I would pat myself on the back for making it to the end of the game alive even though the town lost. Then I noticed that in the games where people voted more often that the odds of the town winning went up.

Your playing style is clearly bad if you are pro town and good if you are scum. And you are becoming very defensive and almost hostile. I voted for you to prod you into voting, but now I am thinking I'm on to something.

[sirdanilot]

SensFan, that's a stupid reason to vote someone. Now, if you did that analysis, and then did a read on the player with not so many votes to see if they're scummy, okay, but just voting them based on that is stupid.

What do you think of my hitogoroshi pbpa a few pages back?

For some reason, I thought SF posted the 'analysis' with the amount of votes people had, but it was OC. Sorry! OC, could you please reply to above post as if it were aimed at you.

[SensFan]

SensFan, that's a stupid reason to vote someone. Now, if you did that analysis, and then did a read on the player with not so many votes to see if they're scummy, okay, but just voting them based on that is stupid.

What do you think of my hitogoroshi pbpa a few pages back?

For some reason, I thought SF posted the 'analysis' with the amount of votes people had, but it was OC. Sorry! OC, could you please reply to above post as if it were aimed at you.

Thanks for the clarification.

[[jas]]

Electra

replaces

FlyingFoxBat

, effective immediately.

[Light-kun]

Finally, now we may be able to move on with this game.

*Waits for Electra to catch up.*

[omni]

OC: It is intreguing, it's an odd defence "I always play this way so deal with it" it's not much of a defence but maybe he'll start talking and changing it?

[Kmd4390]

Playstyle is one of the worst defenses out there...

"well, I play like this all the time so I must be town."

Or you are doing it as scum this time.

It can go either way.

Hito, contribution from everyone is the best way for the town to win.

[SensFan]

***REMINDER***

-Scummy means that the action means the person is more likely to be Scum due to doing that action
-Anti-Town means that an action hurts the Town

Therefore, by definition, a playstyle cannot be scummy. It could still very well be Anti-Town, though, and in extreme cases could be a large part in the decision to lynch a particular person.

[Kmd4390]

My point was that playstyle is not a good defense because 1.)playstyles change over time and 2.)the same playstyle can be used regardless of alignment.

[Electra]

Hi guys.

I read everything, go me.

unvote: myself, vote: afatchic

Let's end the day.

[SensFan]

Hi guys.

I read everything, go me.

unvote: myself, vote: afatchic

Let's end the day.

Did you figure that it would be fine to just place that vote with absolutely no comments on anything, specifically the fact that several players (myself being the most prominent) have said point-blank that they refuse to even think of a lynch of afat?

[Electra]

Well I thought so, but apparently people are picky or something.

As far as I can tell, the only reason people don't want to lynch afat is that they think that other people don't want to lynch afat. Which is just silly reasoning.

A doc claim is far too convenient. It's an amazingly easy scum claim because it's an important role but there's practically no way to prove it. Also, afat wasn't playing like a doctor. I would have believed a townie claim, maybe. Maybe not. At any rate, it was afat and sirdanilot who struck me as most likely to be scum, and scum together, however, I am more sure about afat after the claim.

By the way, does anyone else keep getting this from the site:

"This Account Has Exceeded Its CPU Quota

Please contact this site's webmaster.

Wait a few minutes and use your browser's "Back" button or click here to try again.

If you are the webmaster, your account may have gotten this error for one or more of the following reasons:

* Your account has used more than its share of the cpu in the past 60 second sliding window.
* Your account has too many concurrent processes running simultanously.
* Your account has consumed too much memory.
* Your site was recently very busy trying to run inefficient scripts.

The solution would be to optimize your applications to use less CPU.
Adding appropriate indeces to your SQL tables can often help reduce CPU.
Using static .html documents instead of painful .php scripts will practically eliminate CPU usage."

[Kmd4390]

As far as I can tell, the only reason people don't want to lynch afat is that they think that other people don't want to lynch afat. Which is just silly reasoning.

The doc claim is the only reason most people aren't voting afat. Myself and maybe 1 or 2 others are voting elsewhere because nobody will vote afat which I understand the reasoning behind.

A doc claim is far too convenient. It's an amazingly easy scum claim because it's an important role but there's practically no way to prove it. Also, afat wasn't playing like a doctor. I would have believed a townie claim, maybe. Maybe not. At any rate, it was afat and sirdanilot who struck me as most likely to be scum, and scum together, however, I am more sure about afat after the claim.

Yes, it's very convenient. LK already took the cop claim so where else do you go as scum about to be lynched? Claim another power role. What is next most common? doc. As you say, it's important and hard to prove one way or the other. Why do you see SirD as scum?

By the way, does anyone else keep getting this from the site:

I get it all the time. It's very annoying, especially in middle of a huge post because you usually can't get back on for a little while when it comes up.

[sirdanilot]

Electra, do you Counter Claim cop?

Please answer yes/no.

Electra, do you Counter Claim doc?

Please answer yes/no.

(don't worry, I'll talk normally when we get that out of the way )

What do you think of your predecessor's self-vote?
Why are you advocating to lynch a not counterclaimed power role day 1?
Why do you find me scummy? I'm curious.

[SensFan]

Well I thought so, but apparently people are picky or something.

For your sake, I hope thats sarcasm. Nothing ever gets done without logic, reasoning, and explanation here.

As far as I can tell, the only reason people don't want to lynch afat is that they think that other people don't want to lynch afat. Which is just silly reasoning.

I refuse to lynch afat because of his claim. Only a counter claim will sway me in the slightest from this stance.

A doc claim is far too convenient. It's an amazingly easy scum claim because it's an important role but there's practically no way to prove it. Also, afat wasn't playing like a doctor.

I agree with every single one of those points. I'm still not lynching him, and will do everything in my power to prevent a lynch of him.

I would have believed a townie claim, maybe.

If he (or anyone else, EVER) claims Townie when asked for a claim, lynch them immediately. No questions asked.

[Kmd4390]

I've seen townie claims not get lynched.

[Kmd4390]

SensFan, this has to do with something you said earlier.
Please answer honestly.
Would you rather lynch sure scum right now or take a chance on some one who is probably scum and net the sure scum later?
Anyone else can answer too but SensFan said something earlier that I've been thinking about.

[SensFan]

I've seen townie claims not get lynched.

A Townie claim, in a Mini Normal, by DEFINITION does not help your case at all. Claims are a last-chance to save yourself. Therefore, a good Town should always lynch someone that claims Townie when being run up.

[SensFan]

SensFan, this has to do with something you said earlier.
Please answer honestly.
Would you rather

lynch sure scum right now

or take a chance on some one who is probably scum and net the sure scum later?
Anyone else can answer too but SensFan said something earlier that I've been thinking about.

[Kmd4390]

I've seen townie claims not get lynched.

A Townie claim, in a Mini Normal, by DEFINITION does not help your case at all. Claims are a last-chance to save yourself. Therefore, a good Town should always lynch someone that claims Townie when being run up.

But if you actually ARE a townie, you claim townie because lying as town is never a good thing.

Regarding your next post,

unvote, vote afat

I was thinking that we go after omni now and if he is scum we are in great shape. If he is town, it's day 1, it doesn't hurt us too badly.
Day 2, lynch afat and get us either the second scum or put us on the right track after a day 1 mislynch.

I still think omni could be scum and should be looked at day 2 but afat IS scum who is lying about his role.

I will do my best during night 1, not saying specifically what I will do for obvious reasons, but remember my case on omni. Don't forget it. I will probably repost the bullet points before the hammer just to show my case again.

[afatchic]

do you seriously want to lynch the doc? FOS KMD

[SensFan]

But if you actually ARE a townie, you claim townie because lying as town is never a good thing.

Right. You claim Townie and get lynched.

Regarding your next post,

unvote, vote afat

I was thinking that we go after omni now and if he is scum we are in great shape. If he is town, it's day 1, it doesn't hurt us too badly.
Day 2, lynch afat and get us either the second scum or put us on the right track after a day 1 mislynch.

I still think omni could be scum and should be looked at day 2 but afat IS scum who is lying about his role.

Either openly counter him or shut up about 'afat IS scum who is lying about his role'. None of this beating aroung the bush shit.

I will do my best during night 1, not saying specifically what I will do for obvious reasons, but remember my case on omni. Don't forget it. I will probably repost the bullet points before the hammer just to show my case again.

Again, this part strongly implies a certain role. Either flat-out claim it, or shut up about it.

[Kmd4390]

do you seriously want to lynch the doc? FOS KMD

No, that's why I'm voting you. Self-voting would be stupid.