Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[5uffering]

That's my townreads Nancy.

Next post I'll be getting into my nulls and why they're there. Also Sara, I am voting Gamma.

[Nancy Drew 39]

NANCY IS A GOOD STUMP AND A GOOD PERSON SO STOP BEING MEAN AND BULLYING HER GUYS GRRR

<3 <3 <3

You PB and Starcrossed have pocketed me with your kindness.

[SaraharaS]

Spoiler:

you gonna throw shade at me without saying why? you know i'm holding a sword right?

So what it’s just a shity image of a sord

no ur just a shity image of a sword

This sense of survival isn't coming from a town mentality imo.

what do you mean? this is on old adage but i'm never sure why

Let's see outside of the people voting me..

Toog - Says I'm scum
Gamma - Says I'm scum
Sara - Pretty sure she implied that she thinks I'm scum
Red Eye Knights -Skimmed but mentioned me being scum
Batsunami - Thinks I'm town (gasp)
Italiano - Dunno.

So more than half of the game thinks I'm scum so either I'm being hardbussed or scum is completely fine with my death and just pitching into the wrong narrative.

well what comments do you have on the people on your wagon, because some of those (specifically Italiano's) feels like it could very easily be a bus
what do you think of Gamma's recent vote on you?
what do you think of Italiano's movement onto you?

i'm leaning towards sucm on you and you're in the worse half of my POE... but i have only just finished reading up so the levels in the POE are... pretty fluid

Maybe I misread something, just seemed like between you and noraa there wasn't a lot of consensus on 5uffering

If olaf's just off the table for today that's fine

honestly I might need to just let penguin take over for a few days, I'm in a mood

I don’t know, I just really hated that wheel graphic - I mean I liked it very much aesthetically but it just scumpinged me.

@Sarah, please tell me more about your Italiano vote?

will do in a separate post when i've reached the latest page

rough reads (remembering i read over half of this in the last few hours, and bearing in mind that i woke up at about seven am this morning because i needed to spend about an hour vomiting. sure, i didn't need to say that, but i think it helps contextualize my post vomit, or whatever the phrase related to that is for when you dump a loooot of posts in the thread in a row)

Locktown
-Batsunami
-Fey
-Pink Ball
-Olaf (lower locktown tier than the other three if you care about nuance)

Townreads
-Starcrossed
-Morty and Rick
-Toogeloo
-Dunnstral (idk why? i think this is vibing though)

others in no order
(Clidd, Sherlock & Watson, Italiano, 5uffering, Gaming Emerelf, War and Peace, Red Eyes Knights)

The post earlier that was written in song form doesn’t exactly gel with this
How are you “crushing scumreads” when you don’t even have a dedicated tier of them

i want to draw attention to this because it's such weird shade that i want other opinions on it
like this doesn't feel like you're joking, but it's also such a weird thing to throw shade at... humorous song lyrics. what do you think i meant and why doesn't it gel?

It’s like a Chinese bootleg version of my username

VOTE: Gamma

They seem far more interested in creating drama than finding scum.

I’m leaning 5uffering, Gamma, Italiano rn for possible wagons.

your reads
my reads
v i b i n g

I initially had W & P as the forth but we should probably have him check Clidd and then hopefully they can both be verified?

Italiano’s reason for unvoting 5uffering didn’t really make a lot of sense. Starcrossed and R & M did it at my request which is of course a valid reason but nothing about that post was particularly AI to me and BM replaced out due to being tunnelled by Noraa. And he made some post about my pushing BM but then he said I pushed him as town. So I could see a possible 5uffering/Italiano team maybe? And Gamma keeps going on ad nauseum about things useless to the current gamestate and trying to demoralize me.

yeah, italiano's jump onto and off of (mainly the onto one that i pointed out yesterday read in a way that makes S/S feel very likely, but i'm not super into catching teams pre flip (by which i mean i love doing it but i never really do it and get it right...) of the two i think Italiano is the worst taken individually, and if 5uffering flipped town i'd feel the same or worse on Italiano while if Italiano flipped town then... maybe a bit better on 5uffering is my gut? makes italiano my prefered option

can someone catch me up on claims because idr them all and i think there's been a couple

So, 5uffering, Gamma and Italino is where I’m at. W & P could possibly prove themselves.

Gamma, Italiano, claim.

How about we do this. I’ll start up my own wagon, everyone can follow and then you can feel bad again when I flip green. I told you I’ve been trying to do my part, but whatever.

Compulsive Vanillaizer

VOTE: ItalianoVD

this reads as pretty bad and feels contextually worse when Italiano's seen a fair few people (Saudade, Noraa for two) getting TR due to ATE stuff...
i honestly hate it whenever anyone self votes because it always just feels like the dumbest kind of ATE

Fey, Pink Ball, Dunn, Toog, Sarah R & M are probably my strongest trs in this game unless I’m literally wifomming Titus.

i'm really confident MT & Olaf can be added here too
how much is Dunn based on meta?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Fey, Pink Ball, Dunn, Toog, Sarah R & M are probably my strongest trs in this game unless I’m literally wifomming Titus.

Well it does take two to tango?

Are a vanilla cop, a gunsmith, and a vanillaizer in this game? That's a question for you, and you still have one more claim from Gamma.

I believe that vanilaizer and vanilla cop are actually real claims. Gunsmith is probably protown if real. And of course night skipper. If night skipper exists, almost anything is possible.

[SaraharaS]

That's my townreads Nancy.

Next post I'll be getting into my nulls and why they're there. Also Sara, I am voting Gamma.

i assume this thoughts are probably coming, but in case they aren't, what are your thoughts on Italiano in regards specifically to his vote on you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

you gonna throw shade at me without saying why? you know i'm holding a sword right?

So what it’s just a shity image of a sord

no ur just a shity image of a sword

This sense of survival isn't coming from a town mentality imo.

what do you mean? this is on old adage but i'm never sure why

Let's see outside of the people voting me..

Toog - Says I'm scum
Gamma - Says I'm scum
Sara - Pretty sure she implied that she thinks I'm scum
Red Eye Knights -Skimmed but mentioned me being scum
Batsunami - Thinks I'm town (gasp)
Italiano - Dunno.

So more than half of the game thinks I'm scum so either I'm being hardbussed or scum is completely fine with my death and just pitching into the wrong narrative.

well what comments do you have on the people on your wagon, because some of those (specifically Italiano's) feels like it could very easily be a bus
what do you think of Gamma's recent vote on you?
what do you think of Italiano's movement onto you?

i'm leaning towards sucm on you and you're in the worse half of my POE... but i have only just finished reading up so the levels in the POE are... pretty fluid

Maybe I misread something, just seemed like between you and noraa there wasn't a lot of consensus on 5uffering

If olaf's just off the table for today that's fine

honestly I might need to just let penguin take over for a few days, I'm in a mood

I don’t know, I just really hated that wheel graphic - I mean I liked it very much aesthetically but it just scumpinged me.

@Sarah, please tell me more about your Italiano vote?

will do in a separate post when i've reached the latest page

rough reads (remembering i read over half of this in the last few hours, and bearing in mind that i woke up at about seven am this morning because i needed to spend about an hour vomiting. sure, i didn't need to say that, but i think it helps contextualize my post vomit, or whatever the phrase related to that is for when you dump a loooot of posts in the thread in a row)

Locktown
-Batsunami
-Fey
-Pink Ball
-Olaf (lower locktown tier than the other three if you care about nuance)

Townreads
-Starcrossed
-Morty and Rick
-Toogeloo
-Dunnstral (idk why? i think this is vibing though)

others in no order
(Clidd, Sherlock & Watson, Italiano, 5uffering, Gaming Emerelf, War and Peace, Red Eyes Knights)

The post earlier that was written in song form doesn’t exactly gel with this
How are you “crushing scumreads” when you don’t even have a dedicated tier of them

i want to draw attention to this because it's such weird shade that i want other opinions on it
like this doesn't feel like you're joking, but it's also such a weird thing to throw shade at... humorous song lyrics. what do you think i meant and why doesn't it gel?

It’s like a Chinese bootleg version of my username

VOTE: Gamma

They seem far more interested in creating drama than finding scum.

I’m leaning 5uffering, Gamma, Italiano rn for possible wagons.

your reads
my reads
v i b i n g

I initially had W & P as the forth but we should probably have him check Clidd and then hopefully they can both be verified?

Italiano’s reason for unvoting 5uffering didn’t really make a lot of sense. Starcrossed and R & M did it at my request which is of course a valid reason but nothing about that post was particularly AI to me and BM replaced out due to being tunnelled by Noraa. And he made some post about my pushing BM but then he said I pushed him as town. So I could see a possible 5uffering/Italiano team maybe? And Gamma keeps going on ad nauseum about things useless to the current gamestate and trying to demoralize me.

yeah, italiano's jump onto and off of (mainly the onto one that i pointed out yesterday read in a way that makes S/S feel very likely, but i'm not super into catching teams pre flip (by which i mean i love doing it but i never really do it and get it right...) of the two i think Italiano is the worst taken individually, and if 5uffering flipped town i'd feel the same or worse on Italiano while if Italiano flipped town then... maybe a bit better on 5uffering is my gut? makes italiano my prefered option

can someone catch me up on claims because idr them all and i think there's been a couple

So, 5uffering, Gamma and Italino is where I’m at. W & P could possibly prove themselves.

Gamma, Italiano, claim.

How about we do this. I’ll start up my own wagon, everyone can follow and then you can feel bad again when I flip green. I told you I’ve been trying to do my part, but whatever.

Compulsive Vanillaizer

VOTE: ItalianoVD

this reads as pretty bad and feels contextually worse when Italiano's seen a fair few people (Saudade, Noraa for two) getting TR due to ATE stuff...
i honestly hate it whenever anyone self votes because it always just feels like the dumbest kind of ATE

Fey, Pink Ball, Dunn, Toog, Sarah R & M are probably my strongest trs in this game unless I’m literally wifomming Titus.

i'm really confident MT & Olaf can be added here too
how much is Dunn based on meta?

Yeah, Tweetie hasn’t posted too much since Noraa repped out, so I keep forgetting they’re still in the game.

Yeah, Tweetie should also be in that list. Well both you and Fey are strongly tr him, so that’s good enough for me.

A lot. He’s just super weird, off or trying to control the game as scum. I feel very confident this is his towngame we’re seeing here.

[SaraharaS]

i went back through the Italiano iso to get the quotes and i noticed his progression on Saudade (and BM I guess is pretty weird). the progression doesn't feel super genuine and i'm not sure there's a consistency in Italiano's approach/mindset? the BM vote in between votes on Saudade is one of the worse ones on the wagon (i haven't really looked in detail at the wagon, so technically the worst from what i've currently looked at) and the tunnel/retreat doesn't feel super genuine. covering below

So Nancy is the good guy and Titus is the bad guy? So if I’m not a mason, how do I help Nancy?

this felt fake like i said and pinged me, this feels in line with the weird artificially/self-conscious vibes i've had from the slot later

My gosh 25 pages??? I haven’t caught up. If I’m on the block gimme a minute.

something that jumped out after viewing some of the more recent stuff. the 'am i on the block' thing feels oddly afraid/self-conscious/like potential guilt

Looks like 5uffering has it covered.

you can do it too.

Cool, I thought it was some etiquette or something

VOTE: Battle Mage

contextually this is after pushing Saudade quite a bit and not really having much else in terms of pushes? the catchups weren't bad (or i'd be quoting them here), but other than Saudade and this jump on (that feels questionable) there's nothing super strong in terms of sus reads and i'm struggling to follow the reads in general a bit

The spat between Starcrossed and 5uffering is for y’all to work out personally, but I did wanna comment something that was said. I don’t think it would’ve made sense for scum to be anywhere near Battle Mage’s wagon, unless they got stuck on it, especially once Noraa started really pushing for him. When scum knew he was going down, they’re not trying to jump on. I agree with this...

When scum see a very loud townie on the wrong track and banging for a mis-elim, they don't have to help that townie, goad that townie, or get on the wagon.

The idea would have more merit imo if Battle Mage flipped scum.

covered this already i think, it feels like a weird response to the argument and i could see it as either a SvS award support, or scum trying to throw more fuel on the conflict of a TvT. this is one of the main things behind why i'd prefer to flip/voted Italiano over Suffering, because there's associatives here in addition to individual reasoning that makes Italiano a more attractive prospect

Also I don’t know who Saudade is. Is it common for him to troll Day 1 and get more involved thereafter? I’ve seen more posts today that seems like he’s putting forth effort? I see a few people scumread him, but what is it really? I’m voting him based on my gut and our interaction, but if that’s not feasible I need someone to tell me why.

You're so defensive and insecure over my vote at page 20 and I hope its because you're scum and not a character trait of yours

My annoyance and frustration is/was real and has nothing to do with my alignment. I’ve played with players who believe they are God’s gift to this game. I’ve been mislynched by them and I’ve been partners with them and they think they are better than they actually are. These people generally have poor scumhunting percentages, but focus on the few times they caught scum early and run big on that. The actual good scumhunters don’t boast how amazing and “brilliant” they are.

I surmised what type of player you were from our interaction and so I immediately placed you in that group. In my experience your jump onto me play is a scum/wolf play. You’re interaction with the playerlist is also scum/wolf play, but you’re Day 2 postings makes me question whether your trolling backfired on you and you’re trying to save face or you are actually trying to get more involved because that’s just your early m.o.

the eventual drop off of the tunnel here feels a bit weird/doesn't really leave Italiano in a super clear position in the game, this is something i'm interested in more thoughts on

Tbh my last game with you was equally unpleasant I just happened to roll scum there and let it slide

Tbh my last game with you was equally unpleasant I just happened to roll scum there and let it slide

Fwiw, the tone of this doesn’t sound like Saudade!scum. Even though I don’t know, I’m assuming he doesn’t fake this.

UNVOTE: Saudade

I’m not only sheeping Nancy here, but there’s tone to this game and 5uffering’s tone has drastically changed imo. From confidence in Gamma to the sort of

“I was only”

and

“how could you scumread me”

tone after the pressure from Nancy came.

VOTE: 5uffering

Here is what I saw and felt personally from the tone and wording of 5uffering over the last couple of pages: To me it just doesn’t sound or feel like town defensiveness.

Spoiler:

Also. I'd tell you that you'll eat your words when I flip green but unfortunately this just isn't the game where you care about that.

This is a very awkward comment when you are being pressured. If you are town why word it this way?

It's alright. I still have faith, even if you're convinced for all the wrong reasons.

The

“still have faith”

is probably nai, but in this context it sounds very scummy.

You don't see the forest for the trees. I'm having fun trying to less conventional ways to explain my reads. If you think that's scummy then it will just have to be.

Just a bad post all around. The

“I’m having fun”

part is the

“I was just”

tone I mentioned.

I want you to really rethink the way you perceive motivations if you flip me. I'm not trying to speak down to you either. Nobody plays this game as if it were black and white. Sometimes there are things that don't really make sense. We can have negative reactions. Sometimes things seem really good too. I think that's your hubris. If something feels bad then it's bad. If it's good then must be good.

Instead of assuming that your first response to something must mean it's the truth, try to find out why you feel that way. That's what makes the game more dynamic and more interesting.

From confidence to pleading. Trying to brush off or discredit sounds like caught scum and is the

“how could you scumread me”

tone.

People learn. You can't hold them accountable to your meta forever. The behavior Gamma displays could be represented in others as well, and I'd probably scumread them all the same.

...“could be”...

This is just very awkward wording again and doesn’t fit with a townie being pressured imo.

........No? I'm just telling you I can be wrong. My vote is still on Gamma and I still think he's a fucking slime.

I'm open to differing perspective though?

This is the clincher (bolded). After pretty confidently pushing and scumreading Gamma for at least 20 pages, only after the pressure from Nancy did this thought even pop up.

commented on this a fair bit before. it feels overly engineered and (are you ready Olaf...)

performative

So, 5uffering, Gamma and Italino is where I’m at. W & P could possibly prove themselves.

Gamma, Italiano, claim.

How about we do this. I’ll start up my own wagon, everyone can follow and then you can feel bad again when I flip green. I told you I’ve been trying to do my part, but whatever.

Compulsive Vanillaizer

VOTE: ItalianoVD

didn't like this, obviously unrelated to my dislike yesterday because i'm not that good of a auger (or at least i don't use the augury for mafia games because that feels like cheating and would be wrong)

[SaraharaS]

I was aiming to read the Noraa head on the hydra and that's the half that gave me a locktown (even before it became just Tweetie and i had to move it to uh...lockier town? maybe i should start using a bigger hierarchy
of words to represent level of townlockiness people are at so i can move locktown people up the scale too...)

it looks like we're on the same page with townreads. anyone you want to prioritize looking at in the POE for sorting/isos when i can?

[Titus]

anything is possible

This is true.

[SaraharaS]

i'm happy with the size of the POE right now

[SaraharaS]

anything is possible

This is true.

what about landing a human on the sun? didn't think about that did you, huh?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I could vote him because if scum was on BM, he’s currently my best guess. I’m still not sure on Gamma and don’t want to see him coast.

I still think W & P could be scum but their claim if real is actually a protown role.

[Titus]

anything is possible

This is true.

what about landing a human on the sun? didn't think about that did you, huh?

The sun is plasma. Landing on plasma is easy. The subject would be burned alive.

[Nancy Drew 39]

anything is possible

This is true.

what about landing a human on the sun? didn't think about that did you, huh?

The sun is plasma. Landing on plasma is easy. The subject would be burned alive.

[SaraharaS]

I could vote him because if scum was on BM, he’s currently my best guess. I’m still not sure on Gamma and don’t want to see him coast.

I still think W & P could be scum but their claim if real is actually a protown role.

when you say vote do you mean an exile, or just a vote?
i'm not 100% remembering claims, can you catch me up on what's been claimed?

[ItalianoVD]

@Sarah, not AtE. I couldn’t careless about townpoints. I really just want this day to end so we can move on. So just flip me already, I’ve already claimed. I don’t feel like answering questions or responding to inquiries when they’re just gonna be scumread, but my flip will help. Stop talking about it and walk about it.

VOTE: ItalianoVD

[SaraharaS]

i'm voting you
selfvoting is by definition ate
yeah i'm good with flipping you

[Nancy Drew 39]

I could vote him because if scum was on BM, he’s currently my best guess. I’m still not sure on Gamma and don’t want to see him coast.

I still think W & P could be scum but their claim if real is actually a protown role.

when you say vote do you mean an exile, or just a vote?
i'm not 100% remembering claims, can you catch me up on what's been claimed?

I think scum probably mostly stayed off of that wagon because they frankly didn’t need to be on it but if scum was on that wagon, then Italiano would be my best guess for scum on that wagon.

I still think that Gamma was trying to demoralize me with beating me up about Noraa. It’s a great excuse for him to do nothing useful but Italiano is probably a better vote.

I think that Titus went out of her way to pick anyone I don’t have meta on. That’s at least in part the basis of my reads.

[ItalianoVD]

Hurry and get it done then!!

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hurry and get it done then!!

If you’re town here, stop gamethrowing and vote scum.

[ItalianoVD]

@5uffering @Gamma @Clidd @Fey @W & P @S & W @PB @Toogleloo

Y’all come in and vote for me please so we can end this day and move on. Don’t question it, this is where Nancy wants to go today, so please just put me out my misery Then everyone can get a rest. I’m not trolling. I am 100% serious

[Titus]

Everyone vote me. I am scum.

[ItalianoVD]

If you’re town here, stop gamethrowing and vote scum.

You think I’m scum, so fypov I am voting scum.

Listen. Everyone I vote for, you and others believe that it’s scummy right? But you being the stump, if I don’t have your trust then what does it even matter, right? That’s why I’m asking to push it through maybe it can still help you indirectly.

[5uffering]

Alright my nulls. These reads might bleed into each other and may be a bit less specific.

Dunnstral

Dunn dropped to null for me due to circumstance. I was townreading them by their early pursuits but recent input feels a bit too scatterbrained. I have seen him call out to me in regards to their own reads once or twice, but I ignored it because I didn't see the purpose for this. Early impression made me believe they were a type of player who wasn't necessarily the loudest person in the room but always still had something to say. He's not really saying much recently so I don't know what he's thinking anymore.

Conclusion: Unsure. Wasn't townie enough in recent memory to deserve a lean.

Null.

SaraharaS

Can't say I'm reading your content. I usually glance over catch-ups because they're mostly self-referential. I've flicked through your thoughts however and have noted them, now I just need to see where they lead you. Nothing in particular stood out to me. Right now, it seems to be on Italiano. Don't have a further comment about that but you were scumreading me as well but I simply ignored it.

Conclusion: Waiting to see more.

Null.

ItalianoVD

This is not recalling what he did just now but I was always confused by his slot. I was confused the ways others treated him too. Gamma had a fleeting read on them that was never resolved and it seemed that Italiano didn't really care in the first place. How did I feel about them unvoting me? I didn't have much of a reaction to it. How do I feel about them saying to just get it over with and vote them? I don't want to respond to it and think that's selfish of them. I don't believe that's where the day should end and while it's correct that being wrong is fine. I think right now there is too much unfamiliarity with this slot to be sure of anything.

Conclusion: Uncanny.

Null.

War and Peace

There are some things I like about this slot. Some things I really don't. The dislike however does not weigh enough where I would throw concern at them. I like that one side (Ircher) seems to be in his own world. Unshaken by the changing tides and stuck in catchup. I don't like it because catchups are townie. I like it because there seems to not really be any agenda behind just spending their time with it. Without completely breaking out of my read look at how Ircher is handing his catchup and how Gamma is handling his. It's vastly different. One is committed and the other is pretending to be. I think from viewing their games however catching up or posting like this isn't something he can't do as scum. There's another thing I liked about them and it's just a bit of their comments that I agreed with. Nothing specific. The other head doesn't stand out to me.

Conclusion: Don't know what to do with them. At all.

Null.

This next grouping is very uncertain. Murky waters.

Pink Ball

Eh. Why are they townread. Feels close to how I feel about Toog as well. This read is very dependent on what Gamma is for me and I have no further comments because I was mostly ignoring Saudade until his replacement.

Conclusion: Waiting.

Null.

Toogeloo

Same here as Pink ball. I'm just not getting the townreads on them at all. I had some paranoia about them honestly but nothing I could put into words. Feels the closest to the stump and plays with her ideals in mind.

Conclusion: Not my call.

Red Eye Knights

Nothing they do sticks with me. Not scummy. Not townie. Huge huge null. I thought maybe the other head being more active would tell me something but I feel no way about it.

Conclusion:

[5uffering]

Taking a break and then I'll get to my scumreads. May borrow a bit from what I've already said so it isn't just constantly rewriting thoughts in different ways to captivate others. Give me some time.