Mini 673 - Game Over!

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Why not, Haterade?

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That was more a joke than anything, so

unvote

, will wait to see what Haterade has to say before moving further on my end.

Smooth...

Vote: fuzzylightning

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Alright I have three votes on me, which I don't have a problem with because I am not in any real danger yet, but just wondering what exactly is the reasoning behind it, I know the first was because I put a joke vote on Simenon because there were already three wagons starting and I think the other is because I unvoted after being called out, but I am still rather confused as to the actual case against me.

You unvoted after being called out for wagoning. That's very scummy, because you're just doing it to not look scummy.

Well said. Beside, an "actual case" is impossible at this state in the game. Right now, because of above behaviors, atleast in my mind, you are the most suspicious.

Also, Mod, could you give the game a crazy awesome title so I can find it easier when I'm looking for it?

putting it in your watched topics could help...but sure
-dahill

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Alright I have three votes on me, which I don't have a problem with because I am not in any real danger yet, but just wondering what exactly is the reasoning behind it, I know the first was because I put a joke vote on Simenon because there were already three wagons starting and I think the other is because I unvoted after being called out, but I am still rather confused as to the actual case against me.

You unvoted after being called out for wagoning. That's very scummy, because you're just doing it to not look scummy.

Well said. Beside, an "actual case" is impossible at this state in the game. Right now, because of above behaviors, atleast in my mind, you are the most suspicious.

Also, Mod, could you give the game a crazy awesome title so I can find it easier when I'm looking for it?

putting it in your watched topics could help...but sure
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Your title made my day. No joke. Fantastic.

I haven't figured out how to make watched topics yet/ I'm not that advanced.

In regards to the issue of discussion versus non-discussion, I think that the debate is a bit silly. Just let the discussion play out, regardless of its verbal value, and eventually, a

genuine

discussion will emerge. However, if we spend all of our time on discussing whether what were discussion has value as a discussion, we're going to get off track...

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@Haterade: I think we're past the 'random voting stage' at this point. Any thoughts?

Also,

unvote, vote scot

Why scot?

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Well why not make something to comment on? If everyone felt that way, the game wouldn't go anywhere at all.

Ok dude, jump on that wagon.

That's time number three, right?

Keep it up, man

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Stark, what are you talking about? I was just trying to get him to say something, I mean, even if he had a comment about the play I made earlier it might have been something to get this game moving. Plus he has got enough votes on him to pressure him into something and I think moving him to L-2 right now might be a little early. Although I am not liking his general apathy towards this game.

Alright dudeasaurus, whatever you say.

I'll be watching you

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Vote: FaerieLord

some sort of contribution to the game would be nice rather than just lurking in plain sight, how are you feeling about what has happened so far?

Four

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Stark, may I ask what I am doing that you are counting?

You're hardcore wagon-hopping, man.

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Unimportant.

Accusation-jumping then.

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My wagon is solid.

I missed why scot should have a wagon though..

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I missed why scot should have a wagon though..

Maybe you should have paid more attention.

Maybe I'm not asking for an explaination because I missed it. Maybe I'm asking because I'm not satisfied with the reasoning behind the wagon.

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So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

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Hey sim, are you opposed to a fuzzywagon?

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So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

Read 151 over. Stop pulling a Designer Mafia.

So he's scum because you just spun a fancy little nature of argument dialectic?

Scot wagon is unfounded.

Why are you opposed to fuzzy?

I still don't see has-reasoning.

In my mind, the only scum I see is fuzzy.

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I don't think that fuzzy is on his own wagon

fixed

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So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

Read 151 over. Stop pulling a Designer Mafia.

So he's scum because you just spun a fancy little nature of argument dialectic?

No, I'm saying he was scum to me because he argument sounded like an argument scum made. Or is that no longer a legitimate reason to vote for someone anymore?

Nope

I also find it amusing that you completely avoided commenting on the fact you blatantly strawmanned me, contradicting a post I made that was *above* yours.

Wow, you're cool with your debate team terminology. What should I comment on? Besides, don't dwell in the past. Honestly, who reads posts prior to their own?

Why are you opposed to fuzzy?

1. I sense there are scum on the wagon.

Uhh.. It's me and peg at last count. Thanks man. That's exactly why you're going after everyone else?

2. He has a lot of opinions that remind me of other opinions newbies hold when they're town.

Un ejemplo por favor?

3. The arguments against him are typical arguments scum use against newbies.

Oh man, you caught me.

I still don't see has-reasoning.

Then you need another look. I know I provided a reason for not liking has.

I've obviously missed it then. I'll re-read[/b]

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thank you for the pompous condescension and general bullshit. You're really in your element here stark.

Nope

Reread what you just wrote and stop being a complete idiot. You're embarrassing yourself here.

Wow, you're cool with your debate team terminology.

Dickhead.

What should I comment on?

A correction would be nice. An admission of guilt or mistake. Something like "oops, Sim, you're right, what I wrote before was complete bullshit seeing as the post before me was a complete contradiction of what I just said." You know, instead of being an ass.

Uhh.. It's me and peg at last count. Thanks man. That's exactly why you're going after everyone else?

WE HAVE A DEADLINE IN SIX DAYS. *****SIX DAYS****

Un ejemplo por favor?

The whole "prove yourself to be town" thing is a big one.

Geez man, calm down. This is my new strategy. It's working fantastically.

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1. Cow should know better than to bring up "the random voting stage", something that doesn't really exist except in the minds of newer players. This comment just seems really forced.
2. Scot's response to this was absolutely right. "are you lazy or just unobservant" was a really snide and unnecessary comment.

3. This is a terrible defense. Pointing out players who are more useless than you does not lessen the burden on you.

4.

1. Tomato is posting enough content given the circumstances.
2. In an attack, I find it more townie to omit an admission of guilt.

Maybe "silly" wasn't right. But something was off about it.

My views on the post haven't changed.

Basically, all has has (hahahaha pun) does this game is demand other players contribute and question why their are votes on him. The fact that he only does the former is the reason for the latter. It's certainly the reason for my vote.

1. Those are all pretty hardcore legit. Do these make him scum, though?

2. Are you atleast 80% confident in Has being scum? If you are, I'll be content to lynch fuzzy tomorrow and switch wagons.

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Sim, you didn't answer my two questions in 186.


Also, Mod, at deadline, is it player with most votes, or no-lynch of no majority?

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Yeah, do that has.

Sim, 65%?

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Hah, I was right about fuzzy. Maybe not scum, but still anti-town. Winner.


Sim, I am not sure that you're town, but I will 1000% trust you at this point. Do you think sharing your insights into the setup will benefit the town?

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@ Stark

Stark, you were the the one who pushed the hardest for fuzzy's lynch on Day 1. Apparently you really thought he was scum...fine.

A couple of your exchanges with Simenon really stood out to me, though:

So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

Read 151 over. Stop pulling a Designer Mafia.

So he's scum because you just spun a fancy little nature of argument dialectic?

Scot wagon is unfounded.

Why are you opposed to fuzzy?

I still don't see has-reasoning.

In my mind, the only scum I see is fuzzy.

In the post above, you mention that the only scum you see is fuzzy, and you don't see any reason for Sim to be voting Has...

1. Cow should know better than to bring up "the random voting stage", something that doesn't really exist except in the minds of newer players. This comment just seems really forced.
2. Scot's response to this was absolutely right. "are you lazy or just unobservant" was a really snide and unnecessary comment.

3. This is a terrible defense. Pointing out players who are more useless than you does not lessen the burden on you.

4.

1. Tomato is posting enough content given the circumstances.
2. In an attack, I find it more townie to omit an admission of guilt.

Maybe "silly" wasn't right. But something was off about it.

My views on the post haven't changed.

Basically, all has has (hahahaha pun) does this game is demand other players contribute and question why their are votes on him. The fact that he only does the former is the reason for the latter. It's certainly the reason for my vote.

1. Those are all pretty hardcore legit. Do these make him scum, though?

2. Are you atleast 80% confident in Has being scum? If you are, I'll be content to lynch fuzzy tomorrow and switch wagons.

Now in this exchange (above), Sim gives reasons as to why he thinks Has could be scum. You don't necessarily agree that Sim's reasons make Has scummy, though.

The interesting part here, is even though you don't necessarily buy that Has is scum, that if Sim gives you the green-light you'd be willing to hop off of fuzzy (who you've been riding hard all day) and jump onto Has.

Hah, I was right about fuzzy. Maybe not scum, but still anti-town. Winner.


Sim, I am not sure that you're town, but I will 1000% trust you at this point. Do you think sharing your insights into the setup will benefit the town?

Now most recently, you state that you don't necessarily trust Sim as town... Yet, on Day 1 you were willing to jump off of someone that you felt really good about being scum (fuzzy) onto someone you didn't feel so good about (Has) if Simenon gave you the okay to do so. This seems really strange, seeing that you don't even have a good feeling about Sim being town.

What gives?

This is my new reverse tunnel vision strategy. That's all I can say.

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Sim, who's scum?

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Right, that's me read up.

I'll lay down some opinions on people in the near future, but first a question.
Hascow, you never said who you investigated last night. Who did you investigate?

I got an innocent. Why should I reveal it?

So that if you die tonight we have on innocent...

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Right, that's me read up.

I'll lay down some opinions on people in the near future, but first a question.
Hascow, you never said who you investigated last night. Who did you investigate?

I got an innocent. Why should I reveal it?

So that if you die tonight we have on innocent...

You don't trust me to have breadcrumbed it?

Or you can just tell us..

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Right, that's me read up.

I'll lay down some opinions on people in the near future, but first a question.
Hascow, you never said who you investigated last night. Who did you investigate?

I got an innocent. Why should I reveal it?

So that if you die tonight we have on innocent...

You don't trust me to have breadcrumbed it?

Or you can just tell us..

How does me coming straight out and telling you help the town any more than me having breadcrumbed it when:
A) We don't know if I'll die tonight
B) Sanity isn't confirmed
C) it probably tells scum my sanity and may give them another target to go after

A) If you were mafia, you wouldn't kill claimed cop?
B) That's silly in this kind of game
C) See point B

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I'm pretty sure I have a good idea of who you investigated, but better that we make sure than guess wrong.

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bump.

I'm down for a has lynch or a crawdad lynch, but those are just intuition.

I would love to hear some other thoughts.

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Oh, stark. Why congratulate yourself on scumhunting and finding a survivor at the beginning of day 2?

Because I'm awesome.

I really want to hear from Sim.

But since he's not here, it seems to me, Has, that Gurgi is your strongest suspect. Would you want to lynch him today, and investigate someone else tomorrow, or lynch someone else today, and investigate him tonight?

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Oh, stark. Why congratulate yourself on scumhunting and finding a survivor at the beginning of day 2?

Because I'm awesome.

I really want to hear from Sim.

But since he's not here, it seems to me, Has, that Gurgi is your strongest suspect. Would you want to lynch him today, and investigate someone else tomorrow, or lynch someone else today, and investigate him tonight?

The former would be my preference. I'd prefer to lynch strife, because I get a large gut feeling of him being scum in many of his posts. I've mentioned some of them.

About how much, percentage wise, are you sure that Gurgi is scum in speculation?

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Oh, stark. Why congratulate yourself on scumhunting and finding a survivor at the beginning of day 2?

Because I'm awesome.

I really want to hear from Sim.

But since he's not here, it seems to me, Has, that Gurgi is your strongest suspect. Would you want to lynch him today, and investigate someone else tomorrow, or lynch someone else today, and investigate him tonight?

The former would be my preference. I'd prefer to lynch strife, because I get a large gut feeling of him being scum in many of his posts. I've mentioned some of them.

About how much, percentage wise, are you sure that Gurgi is scum in speculation?

if I had to give a number, 30%

30? That's it?

Laame. You're the cop, you're supposed to make firm decisions.

Oh well.

So assuming you're telling the truth, which at this point I'm happy to go along with, it means that the following players are confirmed town:

Hascow
MD
stark

Which means everyone else is suspect.

I admit that I have not completely investigated the Gurgi wagon, so that's my next task, at which point I'll draw a conclusion.

But if we're not doing Gurgi today, I am totally down for a Darox lynch, for non-participation.

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It's my amazing strategy, which will manifest itself in due time.

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Who are we lynching today?

The deadline is coming up, and I'm not in the mood for another no-lynch.

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Tomorrow, LG, at 8 PM

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@ stark

So stark, who is scum?

Honestly, Sim was my biggest suspect. So I'm going to have to do a re-read. But as of now, MadCrawdad gets +25% town chance.

Any speculation as to why we got three kills yesterday, and two last night?

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I can see several reasons:

- someone decided not to kill / missed the deadline
- multiple hits on the same person
- someone's role only allowed them a single kill


It might be helpful to know who night killed scum on night 1 (simpor & pickemgenius) to help eliminate them as scum.

I agree.

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MC:

Who's more likely to be scum?

Darox or Strife?

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Actually, you know..

With half the players dead, I think it's time for a massclaim.

I'd be happy to go first.

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MC:

Who's more likely to be scum?

Darox or Strife?

False dilemma here

Jumping to conclusions here

The two of you seem to be the most popular, so I figured I'd get a perspective.

Actually, you know..

With half the players dead, I think it's time for a massclaim.

I'd be happy to go first.

Why would we mass-claim when we clearly have a vig alive and aren't in lylo?

The game is at a standstill and I'm bored.

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We can certainly afford a massclaim with so many dead anti-town.

I also think it'll guide us to the path of victory.

You haven't said who you think is most likely to be scum yet today.

I have no idea.

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MC:

Who's more likely to be scum?

Darox or Strife?

Hard to say at this point... you mention their popularity, but they're the only other two posting in this game, and happen to be popular with each other.

There's a deadline in 3 days, and half the town hasn't even posted anything on Day 3. Keep going with those rereads, and just post when you get a chance, so we can all just guess away on the day of the deadline.

All the more reason for mass claim

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I am really unconvinced by the arguments today.

But I'm going to put a vote on strife since I'm probably not going to be in contact with a computer until after the deadline passes.

We can also afford a mislynch today, so no big problem.

vote: strife220

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EBWOP:

Massclaim definitely tommorow