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unvoteUntil I get a chance to reevaluate my suspects.
Also wb's joke on reading before joining confuses me, because it obviously based on the fact that I know the game, but is posted before I stated that. I guess if they looked in the replacement thread they would know but it just seems odd....../random
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Still reading and evaluating. But had some things to mention:
First could someone edit pooky's death scene? All the "usefuls" are a bit annoying....not that big a deal though
I kind of don't see that being plausible. I mean yeah the ratio may be there but so far it doesn't look like the case. Since raj the lynch day one had no mod role, but the two night deaths both had claimed mod roles. So while it may be a valid ratio, I don't see it being a valid case. Plus I doubt the mod would set it up in such and obvious fashion....warebear wrote:Also, the ratio of "no roles:roles" looks suspiciously like the ratio of "scum:town" to me.
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Adel the only poeple I see that viglante mode about activity and replacement is either an impatient townie with a good role or a townie that knows what going on, more often it's scum who want to hurry p an win over the confused town. Sure the game has been inactive. But besides your big post on glork there hasn't been many accusations lately other than you are in active you must be scum!!
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Well the prodder(pooky) died, so someone may need to actually do it.
Right now I'm most suspicious of DGB but that is because she has been the most unhelpful, even if that is her playstyle I still don't like it, at all. Also, tally hasn't, as pointed out, posted that much. I noticed this while following along and was disappointed that there wasn't much activity from here. She only came active to ask if we wanted a deadline or when phoebus was being lazy about finding a replacement. So don't remember seeing much if any content from her either.
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So you find no mod powers scummy? So are you essentially calling yourself scummy?Adel wrote: I'm more worried about the scum lurking to a win or the game being abandoned.
Because there hasn't been much going on I'm supporting a DGB lynch (who has been active) becuase from my perspective I expect there to be one scum between Glork and DGB since they (along with me) were have not claimed specific mod powers.
From what I've been reading right now I would support a DGB or adel lynch. Both have been unhelpful. DGB in her playstyle as mentioned. And adel has pointed out lurkers, and hasn't really contributed that much at all.
Just because someone has a large number of posts doesn't make them active adel. It's the content not the number that matters, atleast to me. And looking back you may have 3 pages of posts all your own but they are all quite small and relitivly useless.
Those who do support a DGB lynch, do you still now that she is on vacation? Because if we do lynch her and she isn't around to post her role would we have to wait till she got back or go to night and have her post later? I would think with normal townie roles that have night actions the role of the person lynched does sometimes if not always come in to play when making your decision...*insert bad joke here*-
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Trying to replace to many times would be bad in a game like this. Some posts have been altered. If you didn't know which ones you would be lost. And also some of the contexts of certain posts would be odd or change even. Also, you would have to probably find those "mature" players, and get them all mod powers for it to work. I ask mith he said jeep will get around to my mod powers soon.
Your case agianst elvis was a fairly large post. But it was lacking. Even when I read it before replacing in, I didn't see the logic. Also that was posted after you said that elvis is probably town in the game and then insulted her real life charcter. So I don't see the validity.*insert bad joke here*-
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Your jump to me is odd adel. And marcos admited to doing his job by editing the deathposts. Sure I don't agree with how he edited it. But he atleast admitted it.
I don't see any actual accusation in your post towards marcos(me).
And I actual find it funny that you would steer away from DGB someone you were so set on, just because they are gone and it may delay the game. Are you just hoping to lynch anyone? You are very jumpy with your votes, that is a key thing I realized on my read through.
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does TDG= dripinggoofball?
Werebear that is a good idea but not sure how it would work out. Since they would need to have mod powers so it would have to be someone that already has those perferably. As it stands though it looks like if we lynch an inactive/vacationing player then we get to twidle our thumbs till they announce thier role, or move on and let them post when the night kill(hypothetical) posts.
How do we know if there are say no night kills? That is what i'm wondering. Say (forget who it was) is notified day starts, then no one posts a deathscene? i could see either anarchy or confusion happening.....*insert bad joke here*-
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Funny thing is, adel's "case" implies that the scum would have some esp and know what the other one does automatically. Macros didn't admit to edtiting the deathpost until after adel's conclusion. So she is assuming that somehow with out a night to discuss it that elvis knew what macros did and was doing. Which is totally far fetched. You never really know anything till you are able to talk, so I don't see where adel gets that assumption that elvis must know it's marcos that edited the deathpost.....it's a huge jump. And not the only one.*insert bad joke here*-
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Not really since your post referred to him being the one editing "all" the posts. And that he must be cheating. He admitted to editing the deathpost, which was you know technically his job. Sure he may have taken out some information that poeple didn't agree with. But he did his job, do you consider that cheating?*insert bad joke here*-
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I don't really see that it is even cheating. Plus wasn't she pissed about the general idea that posts were being altered, not that specific post? And in turn she was planning on useing that "word" to cheat. And if the deathpost had never been altered it wouldn't be plausible to do so, but still. I don't see your flow of logic. I think she just assumed no town would edit any post ever. Course that is before it was discovered that it is part of some job descriptions, like the one to fix tags and what not? I don't agree with how marcos did his job, I'm just saying he did it, every mod has different death scenes some are short and sweet where as others are extravagant. So apparently marcos likes short and sweet, where as say pooky likes extravagant ones. I see that as doing what your told in the way you think it applies, not cheating. I do wish he would of left pooky's death scene as is, it was a good one. (and now the 50 billion usefulls are annoying)
I think you just aren't able to get over your grudge on elvis, nor are you able to see an perspective other than your own. If you had the job to edit death posts, would you? It's a matter of doing ones job, for all we know is there a penelaty for not doing your job? We say that real mod is obviously not paying attention, but this game is essentially his baby so I think he is paying more attention that we think.
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Since tally is the deadline setter ask her. I don't believe she has.
You know tally I agree we need to move forward, and I do think adel is our best lynch candidate. I just want/ed some input. I don't think in any game that a town would just agree with a moving the game forward vote with out any other reason behind it.*insert bad joke here*-
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My mod role is flavorer. I'm supposed to add flavor to the deathposts.
I believe, as I said earlier, Marcos just believed he was doing his job. I know some poeple, even myself, would have done it differently. But he thought he was just acting within his role. And you know he technically was. I don't know what supposed important information he took out of zu's post, the special "word"
I think the point of the game is to show that maybe there are different styles of modding, and that sometimes poeple get mad at mods over silly things, or over just doing thier job? We've all seen that to be true and some of us have experienced it. Most of us I believe have modded games before?
Posting from the rest of our players would be nice. Even adel has disappeared.*insert bad joke here*-
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And get offended over the notion of being replaced. Our person that has that job was killed. But I don't see why we couldn't delegate it out. Can only prod a player so many times before you have to realize they just aren't playing any more(if ever)
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I mus say yes, that does look bad. And I don't agree with what he did in the situation. But I can't correct that. Plus when I was reading this game, before I became biased to marcos due to him being me. I thought he was just really not good at mafia nor at defending his actions. Since as you said there was no wit in the first deathscene edit nor the two that followed. He didn't even have time to tell if poeple would enjoy good deathscenes.*insert bad joke here*-
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Adel I was refering to you grudge over the whole cheating the scum scenerio that elvis brought forth.
The first who dunnit post is something I think any one would do. But the one saying that he would lynch DGB is an odd one. I agree there, I just don't find that a good basis for saying someone is scum if that is all there is.*insert bad joke here*-
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How do you know which one of the n2 kills was from scum? Thats a terrible slip it appears.Note that mathcam was killed off by the scum, who I named as a third person in my expected scum team, which is a common way to discredit scum team theories.logicticus wrote:The point is, it is unlikely that the scum have 2 nightkills, meaning one of the kills was not from the scum. And you state with a lot of certainty that the scumkill was cam and not pooky.
How would you know this without some inside information?elvis_knits wrote: I think the point is we don't know if it was a vig or sk or mafia. Or something weird. You're assuming it was not a vig. Which hints to you being more informed about NK's that the rest of the town.
I know that many quotes from the same page is annoying. But I think adel over looked a few things. That is role fishing to me. That is what any town (some scum) would do when some one says that they know for sure a certain player must have been the mafia kill.werebear wrote:Mentally, I was counting mathcam's death as a vig, though one can't rule out SK. I really, REALLY wouldn't think the scum would take out someone as controversial as mathcam, yet, as logicticus said, you're very sure it was a scum kill. Me no likey.
I some how do buy that you forgot pooky died. You have been the most hard core about keeping up on this game and seems like you would forget something like that in a game you are so invested in.
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My point was that they were subtly asking for a claim. Or atleast saying that they had reason to believe you slipped some nk/night info and that a claim would eventually be needed.
I took the intiative to ask. And I added the vig part because, most poeple claim townie this is a fact, it's normally not regarded as specail. And we already have four confirmed(dead) townies. So unless this is a newbie set-up which due to the 2 nks I doubt. I'm assuming there are other roles out there. I was wondering what you would claim that would have anything to do with know the nk/night choices.*insert bad joke here*-
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You seem to be very certain of a few things which I don't get. You say we have no doctors? How could you possibly know that.
Also you are very certain that there aren't any scum that are going to quick lynch you. How are you so certain of that? Is it due to the lurking, or because you know who the scum are? Or are you just assuming they are already voting for you? Aren't quick lynches usually not predicted, or else people would be able to stop them if they wanted to?
Also In the all mafia I've played waiting till L-1 to claim usually results in you being lynched before you claim or before the claim can be discussed. So in my experience it's claim at L-2.*insert bad joke here*-
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So when you get to L-1 are you going to claim?Adel wrote:ok, I'm going to take a stand here. The mathcam wagon is a bullshit semi-random (probably fueled by scum) nonsense.
He shouldn't claim since he shouldn't be at lynch -1!
Someone please unvote him, soonest!
Otherwise, I guess he will have to claim, but it shouldn't come to that.
Your opinion orginally on mathcam seemed to change really quickly. He went from being the victim of a bad wagon to be one of your prime suspects. It looks almost based on nothing. The only person you ever had anything "on" was a weak case on elvis. She was your primary objective last day. So it makes me wonder why you are voting for me/marcos.
It was 4 days and 19 posts. What happened inbetween then? The battle between you and elvis regarding that "cheating" scenerio and the "word" Which you said shouldn't have been used against cam, but you also said it proved he didn't know it. Which is a bit contradictory in my mind.
So my point is that you flipflopped onto the elvis, cam, marcos scenerio. And we already know you were wrong(atleast confirmed wrong on cam) Also you case still doesn't hold water, and it's a bit odd that after a whole new day you don't have anything to add to it.*insert bad joke here*-
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Because your arguement was flimsy. And few poeple were looking at you as a lynch possiblity before your quoted your old theory. It wasn't sudden. Also, you were posting something and poeple started to comment on it and make votes based on it, that is how mafia works. You don't always get voted for speaking, but you do take the chance based on what poeple percieve.
I know of one right off the bat, newbie 616. At the end, not a very speedy in terms of when the first vote was put on, but the last two came very quickly. Right before I was about to vote the scum.
What about phoebus being replaced? What is your opinion on that matter?
The lack of participation is starting to get to me too. And I would like tally and elvis to contribute more(since both are just scratching the surface and then voting, and it's been like that most of the game, more so from tally then elvis). Logic and axelrod are passing by with enough participation, werebear hasn't mentioned any leads only that she want's a real mod. Coron is mia, and glork hasn't posted in ages.*insert bad joke here*-
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Sorry If that is not what you guys meant, I saw it as that was a very scummy thing to say, why don't you explain yourself? I personally found the explaination lacking and thusly wanted claim or a real explanation.
Adel, I did include talitha....aka tally. Right next to elvis.
Tally, She was vocal on mathcam and his bandwagon being ill-founded, Then she went (4 days later with mathcam was still being bandwagoned) and said that he must be scum.*insert bad joke here*-
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He didn't give me a reason. I'm assuming since it's what he said in thread. That he was just feed up and didn't like being in this sort of game. I also think this because of the tone of what he said when giving me the role. Basically he wanted out, and he didn't like this game.*insert bad joke here*-
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Okay so on re-reading what happened, he wasn't forced. I just know the first time i read it, it felt like force from tally, and a little from logicticus. But that may have just been them being feed up with him being lazy over finding a replacment.phoebus post 640 wrote:Very honestly - I've lost interest in this game.
I will ask mod if replacements are possible - I'm not hopeful for a helpful answer.
If this is a real game, the mature thing to do here is allow someone else, more motivated than me, to take over.
This day started a little over a month ago. Who is the prodder again?*insert bad joke here*-
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Just a note: everyone besides DGB and logic have picked up there prods.
After looking it over I find the wording in the phoebus quote odd, anyone else find it odd? The if this were a game part?
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Where did that conclusion come from adel?
Even though we don't have much activity, it's starting to drive me crazy that no one is posting reasons behind thier accusations nor any meat of any kind in thier posts.
We have 30+ pages should be able to put together a case against the poeple you suspect with that. I'm working on a case and will post it tonight when I get off work.*insert bad joke here*-
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Just realized: adel were you basing your accusation on your orginal case on elvis and marcos?
Thanks for the deadline tally. And I agree, it's doubtful we will even get a lynch at this point
I'm wondering poeple's opinion on the set-up we have, with the two night kills that happened. I'm lousy at this kind of speculation so am wondering what is thought to be most likely.
Decided I'm going to do another re-read tonight and post my findings with in the next day or so.*insert bad joke here*-
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I agree that replacements don't get clean slates. I think the point was that they aren't accussed as being scum solely on the fact that they got replaced. Ussually you have more to it, something the previous person did that lead you to this conclusion. Saying that they got replaced purely because they must be scum and not able to handle it is where you get into a uncommon area that leads to no evidence and only speculation.*insert bad joke here*-
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looks like he is useing the thread in the queue. Course this only works if emptyger gives the replacement coron's role.
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Have you any way of telling the two apart? Acting good townie and being good townie? Because if your only reason is that I'm acting too town that doesn't seem like an aweful good case.Talitha wrote:
nonny(because of Macros acting in a deceptive manner, and because I feel like nonny is trying really hard to act the good townie here)
Right now my list includes: adel, werebear, DGB(all three for having cases that don't have the great logic and have all been turned down by the town) Then elvis, tally( both post and seem to have good posts but don't really help out the town, i.e never explain what they mean or back anything up)
I want the post glork has been prmising for sometime.*insert bad joke here*-
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EBWOP: my things mentioned have gone on through out the entire game, will point out specific areas when I have more time.
and welcome armlx!
Also, don't see why no lynch has been mentioned. We have a few players that a majority of poeple find suspicious and lynch worthy so I don't see why/when it would come to a no lynch.*insert bad joke here*-
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Which "stories" don't match up. I don't know marcos' thoughts or reasons on what he did any more than you do. I gave my opinion on it.
Just to make it known, I still have no mod powers. So when deathscenes are posted they won't be altered by me. Even if I had powers I wouldn't alter a deathscene except maybe to clean up pooky's since macros probably did that out of furstration(the multiple "useful information"s)*insert bad joke here*-
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I don't think this is the best play for town. We are just waiting for the clock to tick down and not discussing anything. The poeple being voted have no chance to even defend themselves cause there is nothing to defend against. Basically it's just waiting to see who tacks on at the last minute. I'm guilty of doing this too, since I'm voting DGB for the only reason that she isn't contributing much.
This in my opinion has been the worst demonstration of scum hunting I've ever seen. It is an aweful way to go about playing a game. Because of all this I'm going to vote the person I find most attributing to this, whether or not I'm the only one that is going to be voting for them.
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She has been lurksome this entire game. She stared the cam wagon, and was on it for the long haul, barly checking in on the game. She yelled at phoebus to replace him self and then suspects his replacee due to the fact that he listened to her. Earlier when I pointed out adel was against the cam wagon she became less suspicous of adel, but why? Since tally(and pooky) was the main reason the wagon started. Also, she(and some others) have thrown around votes with no accusations which is very bothersome to me no matter whom they fall on. She seems the most ansy to get to night, especially since she has control over that. I admit I am pleased we are moving on to night soon, but activity has increased much more than before. And armlx was giving no fair chance to catch up in my book. For these reasons and more my vote is there, and will stay there.
I would think being on day two with all "mature" players, we would have found out more. More was discovered on day one, then today. Ussually after two poeple die something is discussed and a better plan come about.
Also, where the HECK IS GLORK!*insert bad joke here*-
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I stated earlier I agree with this, and I do. But for have 36 pages this is a pretty broad accusation. She wasn't the only one that was asking for the word/letter, nor is she the only one being worthless.logicticus wrote: DGB:
DGB has been pretty worthless lately. Although she was better in D1, since the new day there has been very little good posting from her, although that does not make her guilty by itself. I was never a fan of the push she was making towards cam having him post some part of his role pm (or alignment). Seemed a little like fishing to me. She was pretty focused completely on cam d1 and has now switched her focus on glork. if glork dies (regardless of alignment), she will focus on macros, the third of her trio.
Shes doing a bit of dubya bush on us, no matter the results of the latest days and the debate, she believes what she believes from day 1. No new knowledge can change that.
Armlx: I don't want a no lynch, farthest from it. (i do in games ussuly advocate a no lynch) But I rather we just not lynch someone blindly with no thought. Because you know what happens when they turn up innocent? Poeple can easily brush it off and say "oops, not my fault" and if they are scum then they some how are trusted as being scum hunters. I think it's a very lazy way to play a game.
Ussually in this situation(as far as i know) you don't simply leave the accused to go find every accusation against them. You do still have to say something about the vote, something about why they deserve it in a deadline situation over any one else. (maybe i'm rusty and don't know how that works and am just looking for the ideal situation to occur)*insert bad joke here*-
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