charter -
M4yhem -
Not voting: hasdgfas
The deadline for today is Sunday, September 14 at 9:00 PM pacific.
I never said it wascharter wrote: Something else I just noticed. Hascow, wolf, and ZS all defended me from pwnz's case. Not just armlx like Mayhem is saying. That's why I thought it was has that defended me, because half the town did.
I don’t deny pwnz didn’t contribute much. I do strongly disagree with the reasoning you give for his non-participation. Like I said before, if pwnz had been lurking on purpose as a strategy to win, there is absolutely no reason for him not to send in the kill last night. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if pwnz was scum; you or Has would be dead and he’d be gloating.charter wrote: That's pretty much a summary of pwnz's questionable actions. To summarize why I think he's scum: he has not given opinions on hardly anyone, that way he's never wrong when we had five townie deaths day one. If he hasn't been actively lurking, he's been actually lurking suspicion away from himself. He was fairly hypocritical and OMGUS was his second biggest reason for suspecting people, after early day one voting history. He contributed practically nothing the whole game.
Wrong. He voted for you the day before. The only other player he suspects, Zombie, is lynched, so his night choice makes perfect sense here.charter wrote: Day two begins.
He was set up by armlx to reveal last, then gives a very questionable result.
This is the first time he's said I'm scummy, yet I've supposedly always been his top suspect.pwnz in 686 wrote:You have always been my top suspect to be scum. That and it seemed like the busser would be most likely switch one of his mafia buddies for a townie just in case something bad were to happen.charter wrote:Pwnz, why pick me?
Now you’re being petty. He didn’t go first because he flaked out. I would have gone first, if either of you had insisted, but it wasn’t important to you at the time, for some reason.Charter wrote:I still maintain he slipped knowing he was going to be alive today. It's easy to go first if you know you're going to have to (even though he didn't).
If he’s dead, his alignment will be obvious. Does he really have to say ‘as long as I’m not nightkilled’ whenever he talks about tomorrow?pwnz wrote: If I'm not alive tomorrow you will know what position that I held in the game regardless, so it wouldn't really matter either way.
Right. And you contribute to wolf’s lynch by voting him and then relentlessly pushing for his death, while spreading a little suspicion on your partner, Armlx, in case it all goes wrong.pwnz in 734 wrote: Contributes to wolfs lynch by not voting.
I didn't deny it. I said I thought it was has that defended me, which was true. And then you're like, "looks like you're mistaken", when I clearly wasn't.M4yhem wrote:I never said it wascharter wrote: Something else I just noticed. Hascow, wolf, and ZS all defended me from pwnz's case. Not just armlx like Mayhem is saying. That's why I thought it was has that defended me, because half the town did.justarmlx who defended you. What I said was, Armlx defended you. You denied that. Now, the fact that other people defended you doesn’t change the fact that Armlx, scum, defended you, his buddy, from an attack by pwnz, town.
Talking about ongoing games aside, you don't know pwnz's role in that game, so how can you say it isn't a game strategy? I've seen scum realize they're cooked and replace out so they don't have to deal with it.M4yhem wrote:I don’t deny pwnz didn’t contribute much. I do strongly disagree with the reasoning you give for his non-participation. Like I said before, if pwnz had been lurking on purpose as a strategy to win, there is absolutely no reason for him not to send in the kill last night. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if pwnz was scum; you or Has would be dead and he’d be gloating.charter wrote: That's pretty much a summary of pwnz's questionable actions. To summarize why I think he's scum: he has not given opinions on hardly anyone, that way he's never wrong when we had five townie deaths day one. If he hasn't been actively lurking, he's been actually lurking suspicion away from himself. He was fairly hypocritical and OMGUS was his second biggest reason for suspecting people, after early day one voting history. He contributed practically nothing the whole game.
No, the fact that he flaked at the crucial moment gives the real reason for his half-assed play; he didn’t really want to be in the game. He struggled for a while to stay interested, to participate, but eventually he gave up.
He also replaced out of lover’s multiball recently (I checked his post history) which shows it isn’t a game strategy, it’s a personal thing.
I said that's the first time he suspected me. Sure he voted for me on day one, but he didn't say he was suspicious of me. I went to lengths to point this out in my original case (which I guess you didn't read). That's when everyone defended me against pwnz. Oh wait, you said armlx defended me so you did read? Just trying to twist what I say around to suit your needs, not the truth, eh?M4yhem wrote:Wrong. He voted for you the day before. The only other player he suspects, Zombie, is lynched, so his night choice makes perfect sense here.charter wrote: Day two begins.
He was set up by armlx to reveal last, then gives a very questionable result.
This is the first time he's said I'm scummy, yet I've supposedly always been his top suspect.pwnz in 686 wrote:You have always been my top suspect to be scum. That and it seemed like the busser would be most likely switch one of his mafia buddies for a townie just in case something bad were to happen.charter wrote:Pwnz, why pick me?
I don't understand how this is an argument about anything, but it's WIFOM nontheless.M4yhem wrote:Also, you can’t tell me a scumteam with Armlx on it wouldn’t have discussed what to claim before daybreak. The fact you claimed first means nothing, because you rehearsed your claims at night, Armlx killed Ged (since you were under suspicion) and then faked his claim on the dead guy.
You're completely missing what I'm saying. I was talking about how he knew he was going to be alive today, because he's scum.M4yhem wrote:Now you’re being petty. He didn’t go first because he flaked out. I would have gone first, if either of you had insisted, but it wasn’t important to you at the time, for some reason.Charter wrote:I still maintain he slipped knowing he was going to be alive today. It's easy to go first if you know you're going to have to (even though he didn't).
Looks like it.M4yhem wrote:As for the slip, I like pwnz’s answer:If he’s dead, his alignment will be obvious. Does he really have to say ‘as long as I’m not nightkilled’ whenever he talks about tomorrow?pwnz wrote:If I'm not alive tomorrow you will know what position that I held in the game regardless, so it wouldn't really matter either way.
Nice how you just attack me back. I'm not trying to shift blame for my part in lynching wolf, I thought he was scum and I was wrong. I'm not trying to sneak out of suspicion like you are.M4yhem wrote:Right. And you contribute to wolf’s lynch by voting him and then relentlessly pushing for his death, while spreading a little suspicion on your partner, Armlx, in case it all goes wrong.
charter wrote: I didn't deny it. I said I thought it was has that defended me, which was true. And then you're like, "looks like you're mistaken", when I clearly wasn't.
By saying 'I thought that was Has' you made it seem like Armlxhadn'tdefended you. I call that a denial- or at least an attempt to obscure the truth.
Because I know for a fact that he's a townie in this game.charter wrote: Talking about ongoing games aside, you don't know pwnz's role in that game, so how can you say it isn't a game strategy? I've seen scum realize they're cooked and replace out so they don't have to deal with it.
Also, what kind of rubbish strategist replaces out the night before they're about to win? Again, all pwnz had to do last night was send in a kill to win, if he's scum. The idea he decided to be replaced instead, as a strategy, is ridicolous.
M4yhem wrote:charter wrote: Day two begins.
He was set up by armlx to reveal last, then gives a very questionable result.
He didn't need to spell out that he was suspicious of you. He made a case against you and voted on it. His actions speak clearly for him.charter wrote: I said that's the first time he suspected me. Sure he voted for me on day one, but he didn't say he was suspicious of me.
It's not wifom, it's a logical deduction based on what we know.charter wrote:I don't understand how this is an argument about anything, but it's WIFOM nontheless.
We know armlx was scum. We know you were blocked. And I know that you were tracked and also that you are scum. Since you didn't kill that night, Armlx must have. The fact he lied about his role claim is just obvious.
I didn't miss that, I answered it below. You even quote my answer. Now who's twisting?Charter wrote: You're completely missing what I'm saying. I was talking about how he knew he was going to be alive today, because he's scum.
Looks like what? That he has to say ‘as long as I’m not nightkilled’ whenever he talks about tomorrow to stop scum like you misrepresenting him?Charter wrote:Looks like it.M4yhem wrote:As for the slip, I like pwnz’s answer:If he’s dead, his alignment will be obvious. Does he really have to say ‘as long as I’m not nightkilled’ whenever he talks about tomorrow?pwnz wrote:If I'm not alive tomorrow you will know what position that I held in the game regardless, so it wouldn't really matter either way.
Of course I attack you back! Were you hoping I'd just let you get me mislynched? Not likely.Charter wrote:Nice how you just attack me back. I'm not trying to shift blame for my part in lynching wolf, I thought he was scum and I was wrong. I'm not trying to sneak out of suspicion like you are.
And how is going through your arguements one by one and rebutting them 'trying to sneak out of suspicion'? I'd call it defending myself.
What points have you made that he hasn't defended against, exactly?charter wrote:I made my case against him. There's nothing else to say, I'm sure I could requote all his posts and make up some bs or twist everything he says, but that's not going to do any good. If I haven't convinced you so far, then I can't do it. Go ahead and vote.
I think my case against him is solid, his responses have just been attacks at me, not defending himself from the points, so I think they're valid. If you don't, well then we're screwed.
I guess it's not attacking me, but he's not responding to my point against him, he's going on about something I'm not even talking about. I advocated everyone do what they want with their night choices, I don't care if people use them on me.M4yhem wrote:Wrong. He voted for you the day before. The only other player he suspects, Zombie, is lynched, so his night choice makes perfect sense here.charter wrote:Day two begins.
He was set up by armlx to reveal last, then gives a very questionable result.
This is the first time he's said I'm scummy, yet I've supposedly always been his top suspect.pwnz in 686 wrote:You have always been my top suspect to be scum. That and it seemed like the busser would be most likely switch one of his mafia buddies for a townie just in case something bad were to happen.charter wrote:Pwnz, why pick me?
Obviously I contributed to wolf's lynch. I was the only one that said more than two words about him. I was the only one that bothered doing much of anything on day two. I could easily have lurked my way to another night, and another NK like pwnz did. Here is an example of him just attacking me because my point is good.M4yhem wrote:Right. And you contribute to wolf’s lynch by voting him and then relentlessly pushing for his death, while spreading a little suspicion on your partner, Armlx, in case it all goes wrong.charter wrote: Contributes to wolfs lynch by not voting.
This whole post is ridiculous.M4yhem wrote:Getting tired, aren't you, Charter? It's hard to make up lies, isn't it? It's hard to try to make me look guilty when you know you're the guilty one.
I can keep going forever, you know. I have the truth on my side. I know pwnz was innocent, so every problem you come up with, I can counter.
Might as well give up, Charter. You put up a good fight but it's over now.
You can't hide the fact that it's you the other scum are linked with and it's you who was blocked last night. You are the only one who, in order to be scum today, wouldn't have to have thrown his chance to win away last night.
If pwnz was lurkerscum, he would have sent a kill in instead of flaking. If Has was scum, he would have sent in a kill too. But you were blocked, Has saved us all and now you lose.
That's not the arguement I made and you know it. You claimed Pwnz's flaking out of this game was some sort of strategy. I answered that by pointed out he was replaced in another game too.charter wrote: His whole 'pwnz replaced out of another game, so he can't be scum!' idea is ridiculous.
Your point was that pwnz called you his top suspect on day two when he'd never mentioned you before. I responded to your point by saying pwnz voted you day one, so you were clearly a suspect, and the only other person he suspected was lynched, so calling you his top suspects makes sense.charter wrote:I guess it's not attacking me, but he's not responding to my point against him, he's going on about something I'm not even talking about. I advocated everyone do what they want with their night choices, I don't care if people use them on me.
So you actively pushed for a townie lynch all day two and you think that makes you look better than pwnz, whose main suspect day two was you and who didn't vote for the townie?charter wrote: Obviously I contributed to wolf's lynch. I was the only one that said more than two words about him. I was the only one that bothered doing much of anything on day two. I could easily have lurked my way to another night, and another NK like pwnz did. Here is an example of him just attacking me because my point is good.
Just having some fun with you.charter wrote:This whole post is ridiculous.
Completely not what I claimed at all. How do you know pwnz didn't pay his internet bill? Didn't have an extended hospital trip? Didn't a lot of things.M4yhem wrote:That's not the arguement I made and you know it. You claimed Pwnz's flaking out of this game was some sort of strategy. I answered that by pointed out he was replaced in another game too.charter wrote: His whole 'pwnz replaced out of another game, so he can't be scum!' idea is ridiculous.
I think that doing something was better than doing nothing, like pwnz did. Else we could have just stalled up some more NK's.M4yhem wrote:So you actively pushed for a townie lynch all day two and you think that makes you look better than pwnz, whose main suspect day two was you and who didn't vote for the townie?charter wrote:Obviously I contributed to wolf's lynch. I was the only one that said more than two words about him. I was the only one that bothered doing much of anything on day two. I could easily have lurked my way to another night, and another NK like pwnz did. Here is an example of him just attacking me because my point is good.
False.M4yhem wrote:And he didn't lurk his way to another NK. If he'd done that, he would have won, which is a point you refuse to face because you know you can't answer it.
I had a lot of points, you responded to few of them. Pwnz just up and vanished from the site, it wasn't a strategy. I don't understand why you keep saying I'm trying to say it was. It's not. You can't infer anything from it one way or another.M4yhem wrote:And I ignored nothing. You keep ignoring the point that if pwnz was lurkerscum, he wouldn't have flaked out, he would have killed someone.
You can lie about me all you like, but the truth will out, Charter.
charter wrote: Talking about ongoing games aside, you don't know pwnz's role in that game, so how can you say it isn't a game strategy? I've seen scum realize they're cooked and replace out so they don't have to deal with it.
charter wrote: Completely not what I claimed at all.
How do you know pwnz didn't pay his internet bill? Didn't have an extended hospital trip? Didn't a lot of things.
You’re a liar, Charter.charter wrote: I had a lot of points, you responded to few of them. Pwnz just up and vanished from the site, it wasn't a strategy. I don't understand why you keep saying I'm trying to say it was. It's not. You can't infer anything from it one way or another.
What’s false? That pwnz would have won if he’d killed last night? That there was no nightkill? That you ignored this point the first three times I brought it up?charter wrote:False.M4yhem wrote:And he didn't lurk his way to another NK. If he'd done that, he would have won, which is a point you refuse to face because you know you can't answer it.
This kind of thing is what has made me not vote charter yet. Ridiculously blatant buddying up.M4yhem wrote:C'mon Has, please. Your instinct told you charter was scum most of the game; your instinct was right. Vote for him and then we can all go home.