Mini 2186: Pokemon Battles [GAME OVER]

[Mistyx]

unless for the sake of my other partner

i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing

Except for the obvious fact that she pretty much hardpushed Vax.


*Waits for Mistyx to argue it was actually a bus*.

it was actually a bus

are you happy now

[Mistyx]

this was the mistake of plurality tbh

[Raya36]

Which would make claiming a vig role very risky because what if Red's next posts says the weapon thing was just gimmick. Then suddenly Chara's claim "coincidentally" lined up with the gimmick

yeah that makes sense

okay i get your logic now

So again, playing the innocent card is a very smart move from scum!Chara

[Smoke and Mirrors]

primarily directed to nancy but left as an open question

if you think my PoE is bad then show me which of my townreads i'm wrong on and why

because i'm tired of just getting told i'm wrong repeatedly and getting brushed off when i ask how

For starters, having both Chara and Red as town makes no freaking sense.

[Mistyx]

primarily directed to nancy but left as an open question

if you think my PoE is bad then show me which of my townreads i'm wrong on and why

because i'm tired of just getting told i'm wrong repeatedly and getting brushed off when i ask how

For starters, having both Chara and Red as town makes no freaking sense.

okay so i'll brush that hypothetical aside for now

catboi, titus, jjh, and twins are my townreads

if we take the assumption that there's one scum in chara and red, and you think my entire PoE (raya, you, infinity) plus bob are town, there has to be one scum outside of that

who in that list is it? assume i'm town for the sake of this exercise

[Mistyx]

also i'm not expecting reactions to this read yet but i have determined raya is town and i probably should have had her in my clears from the start

oops

[Infinity Zero]

While I can’t speak for myself in an objective sense, Nancy is obvtown, I can see how she reads me as obvtown, and Raya is obvtown. That leaves Red as the only possible scum in your PoE and I highly doubt the living team is red/chara because why guilty your partner when town are the main pushes besides maybe fancy play syndrome?
And like, to be more clear I have no problem with the TRs on Titus/catboi/jjh/twins rn, but the chara/weller removal doesn’t really click with me.
-Protocol

[Smoke and Mirrors]

maybe its just red/chara both scum

Why would Red bus his buddy with a fakeclaim, especially a player that prior to the guilty claim, almost everyone was townreading?

[Mistyx]

While I can’t speak for myself in an objective sense, Nancy is obvtown, I can see how she reads me as obvtown, and Raya is obvtown. That leaves Red as the only possible scum in your PoE and I highly doubt the living team is red/chara because why guilty your partner when town are the main pushes besides maybe fancy play syndrome?
And like, to be more clear I have no problem with the TRs on Titus/catboi/jjh/twins rn, but the chara/weller removal doesn’t really click with me.
-Protocol

i removed chara and weller because weller was claiming to be essentially masons with chara at daystart

[Mistyx]

if red/chara is t/t red is exactly a loyal role i think 9 times out of 10

i think that's a plausible enough explanation to justify the amount of consideration i put into it

i maintain the situation is silly regardless

[Mistyx]

maybe its just red/chara both scum

Why would Red bus his buddy with a fakeclaim, especially a player that prior to the guilty claim, almost everyone was townreading?

haha fps go brrr

[Raya36]

Does scum!Mistyx clear me when their PoE is already small?

[Mistyx]

Does scum!Mistyx clear me when their PoE is already small?

don't think this is a question worth answering

everyone who doesn't have meta on me will have this colored by their established reads and i don't think anyone who does have meta has seen me in a position like this as scum

[Smoke and Mirrors]

if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?

How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.

You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*

Chara/Misty team?

It definitely looks like it to me and explains the Red guilty and why everyone else seems town. Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense. Her posts don’t appear to be coming from a townie mindset. She’s shading you, Gamma for reasons that make absolutely no sense to me.

[Mistyx]

Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense

news to me

well maybe not but i don't think i've ever been good at articulating my reads

[Smoke and Mirrors]

this is nancy right

why do you think infinity is obvtown? i have more experience with gamma than i do infinity and don't think gamma's outside of his scumrange

Because pretty much everything they’ve posted makes so much sense. Then you haven’t played with Gamma nearly enough. I hard tr that slot both by play and meta. I think if you were town here, you’d argue that the scumreads on you are wrong but your posts would still make sense.

Iow, your PoE would actually not be entirely composed of myself and my strongest trs in it.

then for the fifth time who am i wrong on

I’ve already answered that but you continue to ignore it.

[Mistyx]

this is nancy right

why do you think infinity is obvtown? i have more experience with gamma than i do infinity and don't think gamma's outside of his scumrange

Because pretty much everything they’ve posted makes so much sense. Then you haven’t played with Gamma nearly enough. I hard tr that slot both by play and meta. I think if you were town here, you’d argue that the scumreads on you are wrong but your posts would still make sense.

Iow, your PoE would actually not be entirely composed of myself and my strongest trs in it.

then for the fifth time who am i wrong on

I’ve already answered that but you continue to ignore it.

humor me and answer it again please

[Raya36]

Does scum!Mistyx clear me when their PoE is already small?

don't think this is a question worth answering

everyone who doesn't have meta on me will have this colored by their established reads and i don't think anyone who does have meta has seen me in a position like this as scum

More of a rhetorical question for myself

[Mistyx]

fair enough

[Raya36]

if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?

How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.

You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*

Chara/Misty team?

It definitely looks like it to me and explains the Red guilty and why everyone else seems town. Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense. Her posts don’t appear to be coming from a townie mindset. She’s shading you, Gamma for reasons that make absolutely no sense to me.

It just feels too obvious. Scum aren't this obvious..

[Smoke and Mirrors]

is it catboi? is it twins? is it jjh?

you've called pretty much everyone else town

so if i'm town here who should i be scumreading, according to you?

Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim

it directly contradicts red's result

how does that make them look like less of a threat

Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart

if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting red

if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something

No, if Chara is scum they want their claim to contradict or else everyone will just believe the guilty because it's close enough to the claim to be possible. It's a 1v1 between red and chara with very little chance of it being called tvt. I think you're scum with Chara trying to pull off this narrative though

@Mistyx, I don’t think you’re town here. I think scum is Vax/Chara/you and if I had any doubts about that, you are pretty much doing comparible mental gymnastics with Chara like you did around Vax.

[Mistyx]

then i'm not going to bother responding to you if you won't bother considering my point of view

[Smoke and Mirrors]

okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?

In what world can they possibly be t/t?

ask bob

Answer this, stop deflecting.

[Mistyx]

okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?

In what world can they possibly be t/t?

ask bob

Answer this, stop deflecting.

red is a loyal role that got roleblocked
red is town who's reaction testing
red is an investigative who got their action manipulated
red misunderstood his role or result

possibilities

[Smoke and Mirrors]

okay treating that as a direct cc

catboi/titus/jjh/twins town - feel more confident on the latter two
{red/chara} has one
last is in {infinity/s&m/raya/bob}

cool

This PoE is why I 100% agree with IZ.

so which of my townreads do you disagree with

okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?

How does town!you seriously ever contemplate Chara/Red being t/t?

because neither of their claims make any sense coming from scum

One of them is obviously lying. My money’s on Chara.