Mini 2186: Pokemon Battles [GAME OVER]

[Raya36]

Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim

[Smoke and Mirrors]

also titus was literally in my lower TRs as well

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This is very similar to what you did on D1 - shaded multiple players without much context to have it make much sense.

[Mistyx]

also titus was literally in my lower TRs as well

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This is very similar to what you did on D1 - shaded multiple players without much context to have it make much sense.

i was literally stating my townreads

[Mistyx]

Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim

it directly contradicts red's result

how does that make them look like less of a threat

[Raya36]

why raya, and why not titus?

i had titus as town because the way she handled her claim felt pro-town, plus her push on perfume felt internally consistent

i also liked her vote on vax

Tbf I had Titus in my lower TR tier
But I felt like townbinning her was too much atp
Meanwhile Raya’s Vax vote was one Infinity quickly pegged as town and I felt good about her contributions from what I read. So if you liked Titus’ vote you should have liked Raya’s too. Nancy was calling out Titus for playing in a way that suggested she needed to push specific miselims but I think your PoE was too wide and that suggests you’re trying to leave more miselim options open.
-Protocol

i've been burned by players by raya a lot before so i don't think the level of contribution is something clearing

so who are the mislims i'm trying to keep available then

You are seriously arguing that scum!Raya NKs the player who has her as his strongest tr?

i think that argument applies more strongly to scum who might be substantially pushed the next day

raya wasn't in a bad enough thread position to need unwnd defending her

Mistyx, you're wrong here. I wasn't in a position that I needed to towncred for pushing the momentum to my partner. And unless for the sake of my other partner I wouldn't NK someone who townreads me strong enough to basically sheep me.

[Mistyx]

unless for the sake of my other partner

i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing

[Smoke and Mirrors]

if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?

How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.

You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*

[Mistyx]

primarily directed to nancy but left as an open question

if you think my PoE is bad then show me which of my townreads i'm wrong on and why

because i'm tired of just getting told i'm wrong repeatedly and getting brushed off when i ask how

[Mistyx]

if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?

How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.

You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*

it's a hypothetical that bob brought up literally in the post before me

[Raya36]

Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim

it directly contradicts red's result

how does that make them look like less of a threat

Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart

[Mistyx]

Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim

it directly contradicts red's result

how does that make them look like less of a threat

Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart

if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting red

if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something

[Mistyx]

maybe its just red/chara both scum

[Raya36]

unless for the sake of my other partner

i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing

Ok then if you're only point against me is that I NKed Unwnd for the sake of my partner then by that logic Unwnd was strongly scumreading my supposed partner right? So who's my partner I was so desperate to save by NKing the person who townreads me the most. Also if that's your only point against me then couldn't that apply to literally anyone..

[Raya36]

if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?

How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.

You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*

Chara/Misty team?

[Mistyx]

unless for the sake of my other partner

i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing

Ok then if you're only point against me is that I NKed Unwnd for the sake of my partner then by that logic Unwnd was strongly scumreading my supposed partner right? So who's my partner I was so desperate to save by NKing the person who townreads me the most. Also if that's your only point against me then couldn't that apply to literally anyone..

it's not a point against you

it's me arguing how that point isn't in your favor

[Mistyx]

because of the vax flip d1 i found it easier to clear people than feel strongly about killing them this game so i've been playing this game from the top down

you're in my PoE because i don't have a strong reason to clear you

[Smoke and Mirrors]

this is nancy right

why do you think infinity is obvtown? i have more experience with gamma than i do infinity and don't think gamma's outside of his scumrange

Because pretty much everything they’ve posted makes so much sense. Then you haven’t played with Gamma nearly enough. I hard tr that slot both by play and meta. I think if you were town here, you’d argue that the scumreads on you are wrong but your posts would still make sense.

Iow, your PoE would actually not be entirely composed of myself and my strongest trs in it.

[Mistyx]

this is nancy right

why do you think infinity is obvtown? i have more experience with gamma than i do infinity and don't think gamma's outside of his scumrange

Because pretty much everything they’ve posted makes so much sense. Then you haven’t played with Gamma nearly enough. I hard tr that slot both by play and meta. I think if you were town here, you’d argue that the scumreads on you are wrong but your posts would still make sense.

Iow, your PoE would actually not be entirely composed of myself and my strongest trs in it.

then for the fifth time who am i wrong on

[Raya36]

Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim

it directly contradicts red's result

how does that make them look like less of a threat

Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart

if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting red

if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something

No, if Chara is scum they want their claim to contradict or else everyone will just believe the guilty because it's close enough to the claim to be possible. It's a 1v1 between red and chara with very little chance of it being called tvt. I think you're scum with Chara trying to pull off this narrative though

[Smoke and Mirrors]

okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?

In what world can they possibly be t/t?

[Mistyx]

is it catboi? is it twins? is it jjh?

you've called pretty much everyone else town

so if i'm town here who should i be scumreading, according to you?

[Raya36]

maybe its just red/chara both scum

And draw that much attention to themselves and almost guarantee 1 elimed?

[Mistyx]

okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?

In what world can they possibly be t/t?

ask bob

[Mistyx]

Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim

it directly contradicts red's result

how does that make them look like less of a threat

Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart

if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting red

if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something

No, if Chara is scum they want their claim to contradict or else everyone will just believe the guilty because it's close enough to the claim to be possible. It's a 1v1 between red and chara with very little chance of it being called tvt. I think you're scum with Chara trying to pull off this narrative though

why do they want to contradict

that just ensures they die either today or after red

[Raya36]

because of the vax flip d1 i found it easier to clear people than feel strongly about killing them this game so i've been playing this game from the top down

you're in my PoE because i don't have a strong reason to clear you

Alright, benefit of the doubt it's just because of my pov but I feel my push against Vax should be enough