Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Gamma Emerald]

There will be multiple people there with me assuming the rest of you follow the spreadsheet.

given this post, a good chunk of the reasoning to lim HC is rather undercut

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm trying to work with you on this now and then you bring it back up, really?

I haven't gotten that sense yet, if I'm wrong I'm sorry
also I'm gonna try to draft the final plan for tonight since I've got the time, working off of akarin's post btw

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TGP

I'll end the day with this as my vote I think

wasted vote >:(

[Gamma Emerald]

N1 Plan Final

Cafeteria

Akarin
Outworlder
Pooky

Electrical

Titus
Battle Mage
DGB
Blitzo

Security

TGP
Bell
Flea

Admin

Alisae
Taly
A Very Sad Gamma

Reactor

Cakez
Murdercat

1 Location Sabotage: Titus and Gamma should do it

2 Location Sabotage: Titus and Gamma should go to the 1st one, and Taly and Alisae should go to the 2nd one.

(Assuming one of the locations isn't already occupied, in which case it's just a 1 Location Sabotage.

adjust this for the case titus is limmed today pls

[Gamma Emerald]

he's posting a lot and he feels pretty high profile (he's been a leading wagon all day)

he's posted some but it doesn't feel natural, it's driven I guess mostly by, as you said, being a leading wagon. And I've already stated a lot of his posts are the same mech stuff saying he wants to go to electrical
I feel like he's being reactive vs. proactive this game

[Gamma Emerald]

there's no need for them to, when a no-elim is generally considered ok.

this is a reasonable sentiment btw

[Gamma Emerald]

wasted vote >:(

It's not wasted lol I am ok with no elim

then vote no elim, don't vote a vanity wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: No Lim
We're not going to get consensus on a vote, we got like 15mins to deadline. If something comes up to E-1 I'll hammer it if someone points it out. Frankly I think a lot of today got wasted on pettiness and my own RL issues haven't helped my end.

If taly and Blitzo put up titus will be at e-1 with your vote

[Gamma Emerald]

@BM you know that isn't correct, I have caught up on basically everything lmao.
I can vote Titus but what's the point if we can't lim someone?
If taly doesn't come back I don't think we can make it happen.

you realise if everyone shares your attitude, that's the reason nobody gets limmed?

you are not looking good here, all keen for an elim, but reluctant to pull the trigger.

yeah, lazy voter syndrome is not good irl or here
#randompoliticaltangent

[Gamma Emerald]

have you not played among us, BM?

[Gamma Emerald]

we're doing akarin's

[Gamma Emerald]

unless you've got something prepared that's as comprehensive as that one

[Gamma Emerald]

N1 Plan Final

Cafeteria

Akarin
Outworlder
Pooky

Electrical

Titus
Battle Mage
DGB
Blitzo

Security

TGP
Bell
Flea

Admin

Alisae
Taly
A Very Sad Gamma

Reactor

Cakez
Murdercat

1 Location Sabotage: Titus and Gamma should do it

2 Location Sabotage: Titus and Gamma should go to the 1st one, and Taly and Alisae should go to the 2nd one.

(Assuming one of the locations isn't already occupied, in which case it's just a 1 Location Sabotage.

this presumes titus doesn't get limmed

[Gamma Emerald]

if flea and taly come back and vote titus that's lim

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI if we fail this we can't get associative off titus flip until later

[Gamma Emerald]

idk what utility y'all think there is in keeping titus alive atm
pedit: what info mcat?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think having a flip to analyze is better than no flip

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly, there's still a lot of interesting information on this wagon.

I'd probably look at it... but ya know...

VOTE, WE HAVE ENOUGH

[Gamma Emerald]

idk when titus flips if not now

[Gamma Emerald]

The big guns come out tonight. Gotta watch Mandalorian first.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gfdi

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly the group that was supposed to be in comma in the plan is a group I have no qualms nuking rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

Security, sorry.

[Gamma Emerald]

{Taly, Alisae, Blitzo, OWER}
Not limming these today.

I won’t be voting until I do a thorough Akarin ISO.

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisae was hardcore disengaged in Admin last night. I can understand losing track of the task because of that. Plus, why does she rep out as scum, when she kinda has a workable alibi? It seems more like she’s town who lost the will to play following fucking up her responsibility with her “role”.

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisae doesn’t really care about eir pronouns

[Gamma Emerald]

I highly distrust this lockstep between BM and Cakez here.

[Gamma Emerald]

I highly distrust this lockstep between BM and Cakez here.

What lockstep?

You two are literally arguing for the same things rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

I AM WORRIED TALY IS SCUM WITH TITUS FOR HOW END OF DAY WENT

JUST SAYING

There are people I could see with Titus but Taly isn’t one of them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever

Try again, but use multiple brain cells.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, maybe show some indication you’re using your human sarcasm?

[Gamma Emerald]

No.

[Gamma Emerald]

MURDERCAT
Battle Mage
No Elim
TGP
Titus

I can tell: this is going to be a long night.

[Gamma Emerald]

Task win isn’t gonna fuckin’ happen, is it *le sign*

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m definitely gonna do my level best today.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so my first order of business is gonna be extracting Akarin's reads from her ISO, because we in the Admin PT agreed scum were going to kill someone for their reads, but hers are buried within several posts it seems.

Also, Why isn't Flea under that umbrella you stated, Blitzo?

[Gamma Emerald]

Outworlder
Pooky

if Akarin posted a read list in the room PT I'd LOVE for y'all to post it so I don't have to break my back hunting for that.

[Gamma Emerald]

While I wait to see if pooky/OWER are gonna give me a reprieve from one ordeal, I'll handle another, which is read the ~40 pages I did not get to read of D1.
PEdit: I think we should try giving it to someone who's already going to be in the area for Akarin's task, if we're not giving it to someone scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI the thing bothering me the most about Bell is how he dodged the thread at EoD yesterday. Titus you were THERE for Arbiter's Takeover, you SAW how I handled my EoD absences. Switch up the timeline and that's Bell's behavior here, to a T.

[Gamma Emerald]

none of us had any information to do

THIS MAKES SENSE WITH THE THEME THOUGH

The misrep nor the mention of particularly how scum could sabotage do.

Ume, howe exactlye wase Ie supposed toe knowe whate abilities ore howe interference woulde worke?
Alsoe, pretty sure, Ie dide make guesses ase toe howe scume mighte interfere.

You knew because you are scum.
Your advanced knowledge plus your misrep makes you scum.

@Gamma, Join me.

Sure.
VOTE: Bell

[Gamma Emerald]

Also thinking about it I could see how Alisae's play progressed as scum here. Putting together the entire timeline, e started off strong but lost focus and ended up not having control of the town, and it went downhill from there. But the thing is, e was working with us in Admin to shore up a read list, and I don't see why e puts in that effort just to throw it all away after fucking up eir PR. I would expect e'd either just not give a care about forming those reads, or stick to the game. It seems like the rep-out was driven by exasperation and frustration at bungling everything, which is such a weird and crazy thing for scum to do.
So overall, my townread there isn't as strong but it's still there.

[Gamma Emerald]

ya ig i am more active during this day phase.
Maybe I think its because we don't have cabd, ffery, tammy, syr, peta, and others trying to solve.

I think I tone out when that happens tbh

if someone else townleadery came to the fore around the time alisae's drive fell off, that would entirely explain that given this post
alisae has a Knight-like drive when it comes to town leadership it seems, providing it when it is lacking

[Gamma Emerald]

Pooky, how are you feeling about murdercat rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like are people clear that that's the cost of not claiming anything? And that's worth not giving scum the information?

We could like, still leash though.
"Priority rooms for tonight are caf, nav, weapons, reactor" and then everyone picks from the list.

What drove you to name the rooms you did here?
I like TGP's posts on the same page as this post btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Should I? Why should I? What should I "know better" about?

[Gamma Emerald]

I really don't think 254 comes from town. 190 is stretching it. BM wants to be in electrical, yet is ok sending me anywhere but electrical knowing my task requires me to go to electrical.

In 145 and 153 BM is joking with me and he goes from that to trying to execute me.

thoughts on this following the night's events? This is mostly @Titus but if anyone else thinks they have something worth saying go ahead.

[Gamma Emerald]

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

why
tbh Titus' reads seem sensible

BM is playing to town meta

I think this is legitimately wrong

What distinguishes the two?

@SirCakez this is to you as well.

In a sentence, town BM is more chaotic. I don't sense the same sort of chaotic town!BM vibe I normally get.

I want to define this better. I kinda see chaos and order as states of being, chaos characterized by a presence of activity, order being characterized by lack of activity. Because in the scenario of the universe, it is in chaos and through the granual heat death of the universe, slowly coming to order. Once everything is still, it could be considered orderly, no?
So, to place BM's play in this framework, as town he is quite active, and his activity set the game into chaos, because he causes things to move. In my one scumgame with him, he had a decent level of activity, but he didn't really do much besides kick up some already displaced dust with DoubtingThomas. And here, he was not a driving force at all for like, the first several days of the game, and his posting was essentially beating the same bush repeatedly regarding wanting people to accompany him to electrical, and we KNOW scum had a room block mechanism and ended up gating that spot, so I feel like it's possible that was a telegraphed attack.

why is murdercatto not tryharding this game?

highly susp

I just had a game where mcat turned on the jets a little later
so like, I think him doing it again is sensible given how that other game worked out

Okay, with a little more experience, here's my take on MCat meta broken down by game.
Mini 2170: active but got miselimmed D1, had a correct SR on Pooky that I didn't see because of an issue I have with reading into wagon direction. Probably could have drove Pooky's lim later on.
Student Council: Was active but not really solvy d1, but I got a gut townvibe from him D1 that led me to pushing him to be in the Council. On D2 he kicked it into gear and drove the game, helping rustle things so town ended up winning.
Micro 977 (VG Metal Covers): got pocketed by Infinity, but iirc pegged JL as scum after being yanked out of the pocket with Infinity's D1 scum flip.

So my sense is his reads get better as the game goes on. There's also haunted village as a game we played but idk his progression there, I just recall he got soulread by infinity

[Gamma Emerald]

Ya I want some Chaos
I trust you to create that environment

You're town, Pooky is town, that's what I got so far.

why only this >:/

So, thinking about this. I had one game (guitarists mafia) where DGB was obvtown, and it's been coloring my perception of her since. But I think it might be she's actually on a town streak, and here's why. The last time I remember seeing DGb have this little want-it-more was in The Thing Mafia, where her hydra with Ranmaru got scumread for their lack of solviness and dealings around the aaction plan. iirc DGB was actually on a scum streak at that time which made her not feel like playing. So seeing as DGB has turned out town a lto recently, the trend seems to indicate she's town here too.
The only issue I might have is if I misremembered and Ranmaru was the one who had the scum streak.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sorry but in an off-site game I was scum and a good part of what caused my win was the fact several wagons on scum failed to run to completion
So I am pretty wary of those deadline crunches
that's why I think security holds scum, because both Bell and Flea, despite SRing Titus, were not on the wagon at the end, Bell because of RL reasons but I think he 100% could have used that as a cover-up for just not wanting to let Titus get limmed that day (I'm saying this because while Titus would likely be scum if I'm right about that, I think Titus' flip was helpful enough even if she was town scum would still not want it to happen). I was also finding TGP a little sus for his reads EoD1 being all over the map but so far in my catch-up he seems to be talking sense. But let's also call to attention Akarin was SRing TGP and she's dead now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum could be frustrated but it seems weird to replace out when the situation is entirely playable, plus the approach makes no sense, as stated already.
Also, Cool to know Reck was in Reactor. So I'm gonna guess Titus was with Haschel in Comms then?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sorry but in an off-site game I was scum and a good part of what caused my win was the fact several wagons on scum failed to run to completion
So I am pretty wary of those deadline crunches
that's why I think security holds scum, because both Bell and Flea, despite SRing Titus, were not on the wagon at the end, Bell because of RL reasons but I think he 100% could have used that as a cover-up for just not wanting to let Titus get limmed that day (I'm saying this because while Titus would likely be scum if I'm right about that, I think Titus' flip was helpful enough even if she was town scum would still not want it to happen). I was also finding TGP a little sus for his reads EoD1 being all over the map but so far in my catch-up he seems to be talking sense. But let's also call to attention Akarin was SRing TGP and she's dead now.

but why try to force this when (at the time) we agreed no elim was best strat?

I changed my mind. I felt like trying for a lim, regardless of whether we got it or not, was the play as things were wrapping up. I was trying to implement the guide LLD posted regarding driving wagons in large games, as could possibly be told by how much I focused on getting reads from the flips themselves.

[Gamma Emerald]

Does anyone have a post restriction that's like 'you can't post in your neighborhood'?

I don't like the vibe of this question because I feel like Bell has been asking

a lot

of this sort of question?

[Gamma Emerald]

also who is Blitzo? i demand everybody who reads this post to say "Blitzo is town/scum/?" so I can gauge how many wagons this gamestate actually wants to have...

I think this is a fine exercise to do at this moment, interestingly.

[Gamma Emerald]

Big claim some someone with an average of 7 or 8 words per post.

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810rg, I don't like this given that was a surprisingly salient comment for what my current expectations of DGB are.

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh, it's a big game with big personalities. I'm riding along with most of this.

Okay this is just bullshit. Xenoblade 2 also had a lot of big personalities (cabd, flavor leaf, fermis flames, to name a few) but you stood and led the charge alongside them. So there's no real validity to this excuse.

[Gamma Emerald]

Despite that last bit.
If I'm wrong about one of BM/Cakez being scum, I'm expecting it's BM.

[Gamma Emerald]

No one can die. No one should die. Therefore, these votes are meaningless.

Still feeling this way? I doubt it, personally.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: DippingGoofball

I want to start here. Undeveloped thoughts from this slot.

This is OMGUS.

Still more justification than most of Battle mages votes.

*not tunneling I swear - just kinda bored and scatterbrained lol*

what's the point of this comment? You yourself pushed BM.

[Gamma Emerald]

Big claim some someone with an average of 7 or 8 words per post.

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810rg, I don't like this given that was a surprisingly salient comment for what my current expectations of DGB are.

Look

There are others things you can do between deciding whether or not you should shoot me in the face tonight. Having said that you're probably town, because if you were scum you wouldn't be wringing your hands over the decision.

I'm actually thinking you're a good guy atp

[Gamma Emerald]

okay lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Murdercat - I'd say aligned with Reck
Blitzo - Town and I ain't tellin you why until he is in range of dieing.
xRECKONERx - I'd say aligned with Murdercat
thegoldenparadox - probably town
Flea The Magician - I don't think it would be impossible for this to be scum but I can also see it being town tbh
Haschel Cedricson - townlean
DrippingGoofBall - Maybe town
Battle Mage - town
gamma emerald - town
titus - not interested
OutWorldER - Maybe this could just be scum
Taly - maybe town not sure tbh could be anything
SirCakez - town
Akarin - town
PookyTheMagicalBear - not interested
Bell - I think this is town?

This readslist is pretty bad Ali you're calling almost everyone town

Ali was also feeling town on literally everyone at the start of the night phase
so that's a point of consistency for em

anyway I feel like I've done a good amount of work and don't want to stay up too late, so I'll finish up here for the might.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you're Two Sheds. Idk why though, everything seems based on username.

[Gamma Emerald]

STEVE?!?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sorry but in an off-site game I was scum and a good part of what caused my win was the fact several wagons on scum failed to run to completion
So I am pretty wary of those deadline crunches
that's why I think security holds scum, because both Bell and Flea, despite SRing Titus, were not on the wagon at the end, Bell because of RL reasons but I think he 100% could have used that as a cover-up for just not wanting to let Titus get limmed that day (I'm saying this because while Titus would likely be scum if I'm right about that, I think Titus' flip was helpful enough even if she was town scum would still not want it to happen). I was also finding TGP a little sus for his reads EoD1 being all over the map but so far in my catch-up he seems to be talking sense. But let's also call to attention Akarin was SRing TGP and she's dead now.

Noe, Ie dide notepost anywhere else thate daye, fucke offe withe thise shite.
Ande Whye Ine The name ofe the Lorde woulde Ie NOT'E wante ane elimination ase scume when Ie have ae reason toe vote there ine ae worlde where Tituse ise towne?

Leaving Titus as a lim option seems like it would be appealing, at least to me.

Also let's note despite weakly unvoting Titus EoD yesterday, Flea and Bell are FIRST on her today? What fucking justification exists for this two-faced behavior?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gmm
Wt... m bng SR'd bcs ddn't hmmr? mn fr f m bt sy wht y mn Gmm. hd nd RL ss t ttnd t. *shrg* Whts wth th 810rg thng nywy?

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810rg = blorg but written as it might appear with a certain typing quirk. Has nothing to do with any PR, for now.
Here's the thing, you and Bell both SRed Titus but withdrew your votes EoD yesterday because of RL circumstances. Normally when you do that, it's because you don't want a hammer in the BEGINNING / MIDDLE OF THE DAY! But you withdrew your votes AS THE CLOCK WAS WINDING DOWN. I find that really hard to justify outside of 1) wanting the no elim all along (which neither of you expressed iirc) or 2) not wanting Titus' lim to go through for some reason (which is really baffling if you're voting her now????????). It looks super out-of-line with any sort of town motivation, and has a decent level of potential scum motivation.

[Gamma Emerald]

why change your mind like right before deadline though??

I felt getting one through was possible, so I threw my all at making that a reality. I was good with either outcome, as long as it made things happen and got people to be more readable. And with how Bell and Flea are acting I think I more-than-succeeded.

[Gamma Emerald]

IE didn’te withdrawe mye vote, ite wase one cakez ande Ie alreadye explained whye Ie stopped pushinge Tituse when she went V/LAE

Was it? I remember you moving off TItus EoD. Maybe we're both right but if so that means Flea's the only one who looks bad for that. Do you disagree with the basis of what I'm saying? To ask in another way, do you disagree Flea looks scum for the vote handling?

[Gamma Emerald]

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Except Titus had emerged as consensus, or at least something approximating it. But your failure to stay there because "muh lack of consensus" deprived us of valuable information. And then you go right back to Titus, telling me your stepping off was motivated by likely-nefarious purposes. If we're going to lim Titus

today

, you essentially wasted our fucking time by pulling out when you did, and I will rain brimstone flames upon you for such transgression. Why the FUCK couldn't we have flipped her YESTERDAY????

[Gamma Emerald]

Sure, but I'd like those questions answered.
As for who I'd like to yeet, Cakez definitely comes to mind. I have not gotten a townvibe from him in ages. I DETEST him gaslighting me on BM, when it's completely taking my perspective out-of-context. I also think his mental alignment with BM this phase speaks to one of them being scum AT LEAST, and I'm more confident on Cakez rn.

Also, my brimstone is on loan from a very special witch.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bell, sort other slots.
Titus, sort other slots.

You're just going "no u" at each other at this point.

[Gamma Emerald]

Reck has one that's even worse he can only post quotes and votes

Let's make this easy for him.

I townread Cakez. I scumread Cakez.
I townread Taly. I scumread Taly.
I townread Alisae slot. I scumread Alisae slot.
I townread Haschel. I scumread Haschel.
I townread Murder. I scumread Murder.
I townread Gamma. I scumread Gamma.
I townread Blitzo. I scumread Blitzo.
I townread Pooky. I scumread Pooky.
I townread Titus. I scumread Titus.
I townread Flea. I scumread Flea.
I townread Battle. I scumread Battle.
I townread OWER. I scumread OWER.
I townread Bell. I scumread Bell.
I townread DGB. I scumread DGB.

Flea, what is your post restriction? Htsgrosegkpa I can't read your posts at the moment.

oh I forgot TGP, lmao.

I townread TGP. I scumread TGP.

titus

, where are your reads at right now?

p-edit

I AM WORRIED TALY IS SCUM WITH TITUS FOR HOW END OF DAY WENT

JUST SAYING

ehhhh i wouldnt have wasted time waffling so much, i didnt need to vote

titus

to distance.

Reck I suggest you utilize these.

[Gamma Emerald]

interesting. SO despite never dignifying my allegation of a scumslip with a response you think it's worth voting me for that.
Also, I don't feel like you're scum quite yet, but I'm considering something.

[Gamma Emerald]

to clarify, my issue is how you never responded to that except just now as a reason to vote me

[Gamma Emerald]

why taly scum >:/

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda like yeeting Akarin's task to MC? He's kinda scummy but also he can do it himself if town

I’m okay with this idea tbh
Where are MCat’s tasks tho, btw? Because a consideration to make is the possibility of doing multiple tasks at the same time.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m just kinda watching the MCat-Titus interaction with a bowl of popcorn rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I wanted to give y’all space to work shit out yourselves but that failed miserably
I feel like MCat maybe hopped on Titus a little fast about reconsidering the read on him. I also feel like it’s justified as I didn’t see Titus recalibrate on any level when disproven there. Titus seems more reasonable here but really should have shown some consideration of the thing MCat is upset about.
I’m getting the vibe this is a TvT that if left unchecked will distract from productive eliminations.

[Gamma Emerald]

There's still room on the Bell wagon MURDERCAT. You don't have to agree with me if you have your own independent reasoning.

This is very much true
Part of the thing I referenced earlier about forming wagons in large games says to let people form their own conclusions and join for their own reasons rather than forcing yours upon them

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, where are you at with Titus right now?

Feels town off the recent interaction with MCat
Besides that, kinda back and forth, I feel like she should be pressing certain people alongside me regarding EoD stances but I also think she tends to rely on the flips/things that happen versus the things said
Akarin also didn’t want Titus limmed y-day and if we’re following Akarin’s reads that makes Titus likely town

[Gamma Emerald]

Someone remind me where Reck was last night

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank you
I’m mildly concerned about something regarding that
What were Pooky’s claimed task locations?

[Gamma Emerald]

Just gonna say scum are probably relishing this chance to take pressure off of Bell if he is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah Pooky has fallen off and I don’t recall that in his last mech-heavy game I saw him play
But beyond any meta evaluation it’s just commonly a scum thing to be active early and then sink under the radar and coast on early townreads

[Gamma Emerald]

bruh if I were scum against town!you I wouldn't NK you. You'd be too much of an asset! And before you retort back, Haunted Village I'd not really had a hand in the decisions. The fact you're saying that despite the fact the last time I killed you being as town proves you're really stuck on my previous disdain for you. So yeah, you and Cakez can go piss off with that crap about ME being stuck on personal feelings, because it's clearly YOU who has that problem.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not deadset on you being scum rn fwiw
Cakez, however, I feel like is scum just because I don't trust the fact you both had the same pushes SoD today, WITHOUT even being roomed together, and I just think his handling of me has been atrocious

[Gamma Emerald]

also, just to be clear (again) there's no personal beef from me dude. I just understand you well, and you will always take the opportunity to NK me regardless of alignment.

it's possible of course, your scumteam overruled you. but i don't think that's the case.

Seriously, go read the scum PT of Haunted Village and you'll see I pretty much just said "sounds good" to practically every major decision at night
If you were playing well I'd NK you but otherwise I'm curious why you think I'd do that, do you seriously think I'm that bent out of shape about you still? That honestly fucking insulting if so.

[Gamma Emerald]

Namely, TGP and I are two-nighters, so I don't think we can move. Flea, Murdercat, SirCakez or Gamma could compromise (but Gamma has already compromised so I'm hesitant to ask that of him again).

If I'm compromising I'd like to maybe assume a public task and try to do that? Akarin's was in cafe right?

[Gamma Emerald]

I DON'T REALLY HAVE A CASE I HAVE A POE. I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK TITUS IS SCUM, I WAS JUST ANNOYED. I DID KINDA PLAY IT UP A BIT TO GET A REACTION, THOUGH I'M NOT SURE I ACTUALLY GOT ANYTHING OUT THE REACTION..

BLITZO
THEGOLDENPARADOX
FLEA THE MAGICIAN
HASCHEL CEDRICSON
DRIPPINGGOOFBALL
BATTLE MAGE
GAMMA EMERALD
TITUS
BELL

LOOKING AT THIS LIST I'M NOT SURE ABOUT TITUS AND HC, BUT THE FACT THEY DIDN'T KILL EACH OTHER MEANS THEY ARE PROBABLY MORE LIKELY TO BE TOWN. SAME WITH GAMMA AND BM PLUS I KINDA FEEL OK WITH BOTH OF THEM. SO THAT LEADS ME HERE:

BLITZO
THEGOLDENPARADOX
FLEA THE MAGICIAN
DRIPPINGGOOFBALL
BELL

I DOUBT ALL THE SCUM ARE IN THIS LIST, BUT I BET THERE'S AT LEAST 2 IF NOT 3.

THE TGP VOTE IS ALL GUT, I DON'T HAVE A CASE OR ANYTHING. THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT HC AND TITUS ARE SCUM TOGETHER (MUCH LESS LIKELY BM/GAMMA I THINK) WHICH THROWS THIS LIST OFF, BUT I'M HAPPY ENOUGH WITH IT FOR NOW.

OF THIS LIST I THINK THAT TGP AND FLEA BOTH HAVE HIGH SCUM EQUITY. I PROBABLY FEEL BLITZO IS MOST TOWN IN THE LIST. BUT LIKE I SAID, ALL GUT.

not a bad reads list imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I was with Pooky, Akarin, DGB, OWER

What reads did Akarin share in there if any?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah Pooky has fallen off and I don’t recall that in his last mech-heavy game I saw him play
But beyond any meta evaluation it’s just commonly a scum thing to be active early and then sink under the radar and coast on early townreads

falling off probably has to do with this dumb post restriction.

if I had something absurdly easy like TYPING IN ALL CAPS I probably would be posting around the same rate.

Are we ready to serve Bell Pizza? Xero Quotient Lol this post restriction is dumb.

has everyone claimed where they went last night + where they need to go tommorrow yet?

kinda hard to do mech when reck keeps trolling.

I think I figured out your restriction?
By the way, get a thesaurus, that might help

[Gamma Emerald]

like, why would Blitzo-town just spend all game OMGUSing without any real evidence of solving? when push comes to shove, he just wants to flip some fools.

i mean, worst case scenario is Blitzo is town who is really struggling

How is Blitzo OMGUSing?

[Gamma Emerald]

if we use Taly's theory that scum should be starting counterwagons here if Bell is scum BM's vote looks pretty bad

I'm starting to get vibes from Cakez similar to times I've been wrong about him being scum before (main game coming to mind is Mini 2171)
I'll admit I hopped on the coincidence of cakez and BM pushing similar things a little early, and should've kept that as a back-pocket thought.
Cakez would you like to talk a bit? Who are your current SRs, of any and all strength?

[Gamma Emerald]

DGB what are your townreads atp

[Gamma Emerald]

I was with Pooky, Akarin, DGB, OWER

What reads did Akarin share in there if any?

as i recall she was very keen on Titus, and not so keen on HC. although she'd said as much in the main thread.

so nothing I couldn't gather from the main thread.
iirc Akarin was also the most active person post-count wise EoD1, does someone else remember that being the case? Maybe scum decided to just kill the most active town player

[Gamma Emerald]

like, why would Blitzo-town just spend all game OMGUSing without any real evidence of solving? when push comes to shove, he just wants to flip some fools.

i mean, worst case scenario is Blitzo is town who is really struggling

How is Blitzo OMGUSing?

every time he gets mentioned, he attacks the person mentioning him.

Understandable. But I also think he's been pushing some people he is currently pushing for a while, so I think calling it OMGUS overlooks that

[Gamma Emerald]

SirCake Taly Titus, tell me who to vote
bc I trust you 3 not to cut my throat

Probably Bell but not yet we don't want a hammer yet

if we use Taly's theory that scum should be starting counterwagons here if Bell is scum BM's vote looks pretty bad

I'm starting to get vibes from Cakez similar to times I've been wrong about him being scum before (main game coming to mind is Mini 2171)
I'll admit I hopped on the coincidence of cakez and BM pushing similar things a little early, and should've kept that as a back-pocket thought.
Cakez would you like to talk a bit? Who are your current SRs, of any and all strength?

my scumpool (of varying strengths) for a while has been (haschel, blitzo, bell, MC, TGP, Maestro)
but I am pretty much ready to move MC to leantown after today and I need to get non-rhyming posts from Maestro to help me read him (as of right now, I'm not crazy for the slot)
I also feel there is probably at least one scum in my blindspot so I've been thinking about the pool of (Flea, DGB, OER, Pooky) who I've kind of been ignoring all game and who have been relatively unpressured. Maybe probably one scum in there.

yeah that scumpool looks pretty rational I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Well Akarin didn't many evident reads so I'm starting to doubt that logic
And I know it's common for scum to just kill the most active players, since that's what happened in Large Normal 230 until we literally couldn't

as for counting posts, not without a time machine atp, because now that D2's been going on for a while Akarin has likely been surpassed by several players postcount-wise

[Gamma Emerald]

what's your point Gamma?

I think there's some combination of style issue and misinterpretation of play going on here.
Blitzo had a similar style to this in the last game I had with him iirc. It does feel a little more filtered and refined atp, but I'm chalking that up to feedback from that game over being scum
Here's the game if you wanna read him in it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wagonomics? I keep forgetting what that means.

Wagonomics is the motion of wagons without flips. For instance, "This wagon formation always nets a scum" and "This wagon moves too slow/fast to net a scum" are wagonomics.

Do you ever practice wagonomics? Or are you solely a VCA person?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Bell, if you're town, you should take the task. Objectively, everyone has tasks to do. There's no harm in recycling A's task. If you're scum, it auto completes.

the task was already taken though

Who took the task?

Reck claimed he did, although we don't know for sure of course.

prods all round? no hint of scum counter-wagonning to Bell by the looks of it.

Are you sure it’s not a wagon stalled on scum and they’re either bussing or struggling to find an alternative?

[Gamma Emerald]

reck moved his vote

Yea, that’s interesting cos he voted and unvoted Bell in conspicuous ways.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think we just hammer here, or at least let’s work out a plan and then do that.

[Gamma Emerald]

ok...
Reck why the sudden move to Haschel? if you can find a way to somehow indicate an explanation

@Bell, if you're town, you should take the task. Objectively, everyone has tasks to do. There's no harm in recycling A's task. If you're scum, it auto completes.

the task

was already taken though

why would the task make you switch to HC?

[Gamma Emerald]

that doesn't even make sense. "the task is HC"? WHAT???

[Gamma Emerald]

No tasks aren't unique, OP says so

[Gamma Emerald]

also idk where haschel stated his task but okey

[Gamma Emerald]

welp that's hammer
did we have a plan at all worked out?

[Gamma Emerald]

wooooooo go team

Not gonna lie, going from X-1 to eliminating Flea felt so fucking good.

That was such an Ace Attorney moment

Anyway I am so glad I got killed when I did because I was about to blow up Reck’s spot out-of-turn

[Gamma Emerald]

Claiming rooms was a good idea to prevent doubles, no-elimming and trying to win off mechanics alone was not, which was what I in particular had a violent objection to on D1.

I generally agree with Shea that just generally good dayplay and Haschel being a fucking hero was what won town the game and not any mechanical play (beyond the normal stuff like me blocking Blitzo)

I like the setup, I like having open neighborhoods and I wish I could've gotten more use out of it. GG's all-around.

Yeah I kinda started to question the no-lim plan myself iirc
I think my driving people to run a wagon through was probably one of my best town plays EVER.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay can you not take every fucking chance to be snide

[Gamma Emerald]

I think because of my spur-of-the-moment call to wagon end of day 1, that no elim ended up being more useful than an actual Titus lim would have been
I pinned 2 scum for things connected to that. Now, the reasons may not have held up in an argument but I was convinced by them and that gave me fuel to argue those reads.
In addition I think Cakez trying to push me for that was a turning point in how I read him, making me more confident he was scum over BM / some other weaker SRs
And then there was Blitzo who took way too much coaxing to vote. So practically all the scum looked worse because I made that move, in some way or another.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah I think Taly voting absolute-last minute was quite towny

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah it’s hard trying to calculate how much to bus
I can point out one recent scumgame where I thought I was the deepwolf option and ended up screwing things up when that was wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

I've never been able to convince anyone of anything in games I play so tbh I doubt I could have saved anyone here if I had not bussed

I don’t know about that...

[Gamma Emerald]

EGS is a great webcomic, too! Would recommend it.

Gamma had a strong SR on BM too...

To quote a rather notable Among Us player:
Good enough for me!
VOTE: Battle Mage.

I thoroughly enjoyed these btw

[Gamma Emerald]

can my notes PT get unlocked soon
I want brass to see my last post there

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah was concerned about how long it would take cakez to get limmed then dead chat mentions we're almost at a task win and I'm like "wtf last I check we were only at 1/5 of the way there!" and relief washed over me

[Gamma Emerald]

btw might as well preface this now
during n2 I barely posted in Weapons room chat because I had a guess that scum had the ability to eavesdrop rooms and I wanted to keep my supposed slip close to the vest

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna make a wall post in response to scum pt stuff

[Gamma Emerald]

I still wonder where Steve and Two Sheds came from

[Gamma Emerald]

OMFG
Mastina is a fan of EGS AND ChilledChaos? Oh glorious day!

I only watch Chilled for Among Us or Canadian-Among-Us (the winter game thats name slips my mind), so I'm a bit of a fake fan.

But EGS I do indeed read.

Tbf Among Us/Project Winter is like 95% of his content these days. He did more variety before he took a break from uploading (including ToS)
Him and ZeRoyalViking are so fun to watch though. It’s fun seeing a game from an alternate POV as well, there was the style-points win which I had to see both their play to really appreciate.
I tend to watch them on YouTube but I have caught their Twitch streams as well.

[Gamma Emerald]

I did find Steve funny btw but the reason I found it funny necessitated an outburst of disbelief.
Also we spoofed off your restriction in deadchat because someone suggested a Pokémon theme for nicknames so 3 people gave their picks for that

[Gamma Emerald]

The quote one was definitely the least open-ended one
If you have a pocket scumread you want to bring up but no one else has you’re kinda stuck witb a bad lot (at least from all the feedback I got from the mod)
Meanwhile you have stuff like non-sequiters and nicknames that allow for really inventive posting

[Gamma Emerald]

Locking café D1 stops people moving altogether, N1. It reveals one of our powers, but forces a lot of shenangians.

I'm assuming we all start in café

yup that's on brand for the theme (though not true for this game I guess)

loved the attention from flea <3

Translation: DGB is scum reading you for breaking your word in a way that deserves pressure and often comes from scum.

Scum often times say they'll comment (bullshit) later but don't have the time/motivation to do so.

Take that knowledge of her accusation and use it the best way you can to act like town.

noted.

BM's scumhunting consists of townreading people who townread him and scum reading people who scum read him
So just be careful picking that fight

okay even I don't think this

On thinking about the regular NK - I think we should go after the most active posters. I think we can force this game into apathy pretty easily if we knock off the top three or so most active people.

yeah that explains why Akarin died then
The issue with this is it most likely knocks off vanillas vs. town PRs, and high activity can be a WIM killer, so offing the most active can actually bring the game back into a playable state for town. Plus if one or more scum has a lot of posts it becomes shady when they don't get killed for a while. I played this game in Large Normal 230 actually so I'm surprised you thought to try it after it tanked so badly in that game
in fact I think in both games the big nail-in-the-coffin moment for that plan was replacements coming in with fresh motivation to solve (unwnd and vax in LN 230, windows and mastina here)

These two posts might come back to bite you.

But I don't want us to circle the drain on one another so I'm not going to take this tack I think.
Need to change my process and figure out what I want to do.

This is more psyching myself up post. H

at least bell controlled his bussing urge?

so it's looking like town is deciding to go with normal scumhunting which is weird but whatever
our miselim pool is looking like (MC, BM, Titus, Haschel, TGP, Reck)
so we should all try to navigate towards pushing these players through without being blatant about it
nudge the town along, if you will

Looking at this the miselim set kinda fell apart for scum
Bell's lim made titus obvtown, Haschel became p much conftown after Flea was limmed, Reck was never getting limmed after I got shot, tgp got replaced by a harder-to-lim by a mile player, the only really feasible prospects later on were MC and BM

Gamma meta knighting like he always do.

I feel like I've gotten better at making points without meta involved, but I also feel like the meta maybe isn't such a bad thing? Like, let's note what happened in Guns and Roses V. I was wrongly SRing you, but then I got wise to the value of Akarin's read on you, and called you town regardless of her alignment. That was only possible because I learned Akarin correctly townreads LHF a lot through this game and my RQS (which btw I think did kinda well at catching scum/hepling me work with people more)

We should push on the people who tried to last minute elim Titus

see this is where you made a fundamental error
that motion from me + some others was strictly pro-town. The entire point was to push a wagon close to lim and see who might flinch or react poorly. Wagons are good for town in larges, did LLD's wall in Xenoblade 2 miss you?

Aww what a shame I just missed the vote deadline, phooey.

can't believe this happened, this was literally the exact same crap I got up to in the scumgame I referenced when calling out Bell and Flea!

I would imagine due to the choice PM it can overflow into night if needed, I've submitted my lock anyway.

I'm happy for Akarin to die. They're taking control so disrupting that is always good.

Gamma should be good bait.

Who of us DIDNT submit rooms?

wdym Bait?!?

man I really turned myself into a big target by placing my faith in blitzo. probably for the best because that elevated my reads in terms of how they were valued, plus the not-slip I caught would have hard derailed my credibility

I concur, we can do Gamma n2
I feel like he is not too difficult to diffuse dayplay-wise

man what the hell makes you think this?

lol at the binary restriction idea.

It just occurred to me that I stole your e’s, flea.

Spoiler:

GIVE ME THE DANCING E

Taly's suspicions, assuming I'm town, are 2 within DGB, TGP and Pooky. More on DGB/TGP

Cakez is a townread for the gamma case

, so this could be one to tread lightly on.

DGB/TGP are being sus'd for counter wagoning Maestro.

DGB/Pooks/TGP are majority-scum group.

WHAT.
I'm wounded, Taly.