Alright, here's my analysis. I'll begin with dalt, and his replacement.
dalt54321 wrote:vote omni
ovious scum
This was his first post. Now, context is important. SirD voted FFB for voting themselves, more on that later. After that, omni voted SirD, calling the vote opportunistic, which I can somewhat understand somewhat. Now, what Inquisitor JL does is vote omni for opportunistic voting, which I really don't get. How was omni's vote opportunistic? Then dalt54321 comes in and also votes omni, calling him "ovious scum".
Now, how exactly does omni voting for SirD for a somewhat jokey reason make him "obv scum"? It's not like there was a bandwagon forming on SirD, in fact, when you added your vote to omni, there were officially two votes on him, to the one vote on SirD. Yet that's enough to call him "obvious scum"?
Now, you could argue that this was a joke vote, but still, I'd think that if you're going to use something like that as a joke, you'd expect some kind of similie to be there, in order to confirm the fact, there isn't one. This leads me to conclude that dalt is at least being halfway serious with his vote, and in that case, I want to know why omni was "obv scum".
dalt54321 wrote:unvote
vote flyingfoxbat
he looks too suspicious.
Again, opportunistic push of a bandwagon for no reason. This vote put FFB at L-4, for what are, in my opinion, faulty reasons. I can understand a self-vote being good one on Page One, but discussion is starting. There is pretty much no reason to continue to push this wagon, unless you've found something that makes FFB scummy besides the self-vote, which you didn't provide.
After that, no more posts from dalts, and dalts is replaced by drake a while later.
drake_259 wrote:omni wrote:I'm really getting confused by L-K's play I just don't understand what he's doing, he just seems to be trying to accuse everyone else to take the heat off himself which seems rather scummy to me, and potentially the people he hasn't touched are his fellow scum, eitherway I'm not convinced by him/her at all
Sometimes the best defense is the offense
you have to accuse people, get there reaction etc
This seems like a weak defense of part of LK's scummy play throughout the game. It's one thing to accuse some people who you believe could be benefitted by accusations, however throughout the game LK's reads seem to have been extremely erratic, and that is a scumtell, as it's pretty much an attempt to please everyone, which is an impossiblity.
drake_259 wrote:Kmd4390 wrote:Post 108 you came into the game.
Post 110 I vote omni.
Post 111 you use your first post of the game to defend omni.
How is this
not
quick?
Do you have anything else to add to the game?
i wasn't defending omni
drake_259 wrote:omni wrote:I'm really getting confused by L-K's play I just don't understand what he's doing, he just seems to be trying to accuse everyone else to take the heat off himself which seems rather scummy to me, and potentially the people he hasn't touched are his fellow scum, eitherway I'm not convinced by him/her at all
Sometimes the best defense is the offense
you have to accuse people, get there reaction etc
if i was defending anyone i was defending L-K which i wasn't
To begin with, this seems like an extremely jumpy defense of his actions, and I really hate it when people are defensive and jumpy. Secondly, you were most certainly defending LK. You were responding to omni's point about LK's playing this game before he did, which I consider defending someone. Don't give players a way out, as if they're scum they'll just encorporate what you said into their defense. Besides, nobody had said that you were defending LK, so saying you are seems like you're a little nervous to show any connection to LK, which I can imagine being the reaction of newbscum, quickly defend a scumbuddy and then pretend that you were just presenting an opinion.
drake_259 wrote:now don't tell be you wasn't a newb once, i was just saying what i thought
Another thing I dislike- playing the newbie card.
drake_259 wrote:Kmd4390 wrote:Anyway, if you weren't defending LK, why mention that if you were defending anyone that's who it was?
Because if i didn't say that you lot would think i as defending him
Once again, extremely defensive. Why so touchy?
Is confused about how replacement votes work, and then makes this post.
drake_259 wrote:sirdanilot wrote:Drake, your predecessor voted and the vote carried over, so if you don't suspect FFB you should unvote him. Or you can see how he has voted himself (and still has his vote there) and decide whether that's scummy or not, your pick.
I'd also like to see a read of the game from you, drake.
Okay, but i'll do it on monday since i haven't got much time too give my thoughts yet.
and
Unvote:
before im voting anyone i want to give a bit more time in working out who could be mafia
This post isn't particularly bad, but his next one is.
drake_259 wrote:yh im still here, i'll catch up tomorrow morning
Making a post solely promising future analysis is a prime example of active lurking, especially if you'd already said that you were going to provide analysis at a specific time and didn't.
Next up, FFB.
To begin with, he makes a joke vote on himself.
FlyingFoxBat wrote:Vote: FlyingFoxBat
Obvscum.
To be fair, it is a joke vote, nothing too serious. On the other hand, if you're town, this doesn't provide the town any information about any possible connections with anybody, and doesn't provide information otherwise. Not providing information to the town is scummy. It also would allow scum to wagon you based on your self vote... unless you were scum yourself and therefore knew that you wouldn't be scum wagon'd.
FlyingFoxBat wrote:sirdanilot wrote:Brandi wrote:Whats wrong with it, really? =P
Voting for yourself beats the purpose of the random voting phase. Since there is absolutely no information to start with in this game, people tend to just randomly vote each other to get the ball rolling.
FFB (I'll abbreviate him like that from now on!) voted himself. Voting yourself does not give the town any information at all. Voting yourself is just plain useless, ie. not helpful to the town, ie. anti town, ie. scum.
If it helps, imagine everyone voting for their selves in the random voting phase as opposed to how a normal random voting phase goes. What gives more information?
You seem to be overreacting a bit much, to me.
I really don't see Sirdanilot's objections to be an overreation. He seems to make a very factual explanation of why random voting is bad, although I find your reaction somewhat interesting. Instead of saying "Hey, you're right, I may have made a bad decision by random voting myself and not giving the town information.", she instead turns on danilot and says that he's "overreacting". This could be a result of simply disagreeing with him however.
FlyingFoxBat wrote:dalt54321 wrote:unvote
vote flyingfoxbat
he looks too suspicious.
Over what? A joking random vote? I didn't do anything suspicious.
The response seems a little defensive, but FFB was at L-4 for simply voting himself at this point, so I can understand this reaction a bit better.
FlyingFoxBat wrote:OverCaffeinated wrote:Basically a vote for yourself doesn't tell us anything which in turn doesn't help the town win.
I completely random vote for another person is not exactly helpful, either.
I disagree. Random voting provides reactions, which can help provide information to the town later on. Voting yourself gives no players no real reason to reaction, except to point out why random voting is wrong, which IMO is pretty much a nulltell either way. Besides, there is still going to be two players, the scum, whose votes could very well not be random, so your argument here is rather pointless.
FlyingFoxBat wrote:Additionally, as Sirdanilot said, random voting is to help get the ball rolling. Voting my self was certainly as helpful as giving the game a kick-start, as we can see by the conversation. Had I randomly voted for another player, it is entirely possible that the game would be stalling right now, due to the fact that had I random voted somebody else instead of myself, this conversation would not be happening, and possibly no conversation would have been.
I am interesting in your reasoning for this. You believe that this vote has caused discussion to occur more quickly, in ways that voting for another player somehow wouldn't? In my opinion the only way that discussion has progressed is an explanation of how you're wrong, which is loaded with nulltells, and therefore isn't particularly fruitful discussion.
FFB hasn't posted since.
Higorashi random voted JL, and his next post was about LK.
My apologies for only being able to post this, but this is the only time that I'll have to post anything for the rest of the night, and I decided that a little analysis was better than no analysis. I will get back to this tomorrow, and hopefully get more to you soon.
