Open 801: Trust Fall (Game Over)

[Gloria Cleary]

Like there's a significant chance Rainbow-Jake is T-T, and in that case we remove the... noise about their lack of noise from the game. And if one is scum we'll have just done the POE paranoia elim a bit earlier than doing it at endgame. If both are scum the pairing will fail and then game solved! (No way is it gonna be that easy.)

I’m not opposed, I just want to get some reads from other players before we decide this.

[Gloria Cleary]

Um, the POE thing doesn't make sense the way I just said it, but it makes sense logically if you think about it.

Neither is likely to be anyone's top townread or top scumread is what I mean.

True but you can have townleans, so I think we save our strongest trs closer to the end and ship a pair that most people at least townlean both of them. I certainly won’t miss not being able to read RR’s posts in any case.

[Gloria Cleary]

You know how when you get like halfway through a normal game and you just want to eliminate those players who have done absolutely nothing towny all game and you can't stand them making it to endgame, but then they flip VT?

I feel like that's Jake and Rainbow.

Hmmm . . . you’re probably right. Any scumreads or scumleans yet? I think you may be town here afterall, so I really don’t have a clue who’s scum yet. I really don’t understand Pooky’s play here from either alignment. He should be trying to make reads but otoh, I don’t know how his play is actually conducive to a scum wincon either.

@Jake why were so so adamant about Pooky trusting you? Do you townread him? @Pooky, why did you not accept Jake?

It’s very possible that Pooky is gambiting here with this pizza and chocolate cake schtick as a way to possibly make reads without making them if that makes any sense? Iow, he may be playing deliberately scummy to last longer into the game. Idk, just a theory trying to make sense of his play here which is a complete mystery to everyone apparently but Hectic.

[Equinox]

Trust Count 1.13

Not Trusting (10) - Akarin, Fidget, Hectic, Jake The Wolfie, Rainbow Reads, Gloria Cleary, shellyc, Uncrowned, PookyTheMagicalBear, Necessary Sneasel

The deadline is Sunday, December 6, 2020, at 7:30 PM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2020-12-06 19:30:00).

[Gloria Cleary]

I actually almost proposed to Sneasel earlier today, not that I think he'd accept, but I'm having some paranoia there. I think he's probably more likely town than not but I don't know, something about the "I'm gonna pair with Akarin, somebody stop me" thing. Plus, if he is town, I wouldn't want him to actually accept anyway.

There's 4 hours after Sneasel proposed to Uncrowned where Uncrowned was admittedly not that active but

did

have a couple posts on site elsewhere and there's not enough scum for it to be Sneasel + Uncrowned + Pooky. So scum!Uncrowned should have paired with whichever was town, or either if they both were.

I don't see what the gambit does for Uncrowned here if scum, and it's possible that it's Pooky + Uncrowned and Uncrowned missed the Sneasel thing but I think that's

much

less likely than Sneasel seems to think it is.

Okay, I still want to hear from others but I’m starting to kind of mindmeld on this. Alright. if Fidget and Sneasel are okay with this pairing, I’m onboard.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I actually almost proposed to Sneasel earlier today, not that I think he'd accept, but I'm having some paranoia there. I think he's probably more likely town than not but I don't know, something about the "I'm gonna pair with Akarin, somebody stop me" thing. Plus, if he is town, I wouldn't want him to actually accept anyway.

pls dont I will have a heart attack

Sneasel does not deserve somebody like you

[Gloria Cleary]

I actually almost proposed to Sneasel earlier today, not that I think he'd accept, but I'm having some paranoia there. I think he's probably more likely town than not but I don't know, something about the "I'm gonna pair with Akarin, somebody stop me" thing. Plus, if he is town, I wouldn't want him to actually accept anyway.

pls dont I will have a heart attack

Sneasel does not deserve somebody like you

???

Do you not tr him?

Seriously wtf are you doing here Pooky?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I TR him but he is not good enough for my daughter Akarin

Frankly he sounds like a crazy person.

[Gloria Cleary]

I TR him but he is not good enough for my daughter Akarin

Frankly he sounds like a crazy person.

This game is wild.

[Equinox]

Jake The Wolfie has been prodded.

[Uncrowned]

who wants to go to prom with me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[shellyc]

HURT WITH A BLADE: pooky

PoE

gloria is giving off those obvtown vibes especially with her pressing onto pooky, akarin is solvey enough, unc is conftown, hectic i need to re-engage with when he's back, fidget on a whimsical reread of iso has garned a TR from me through effort-y, proactive posting style, necessary I townleaned before my flake but the iso i'd be willing to townlean through pressure towards pooky, rainbow is lurking

[Necessary Sneasel]

When we do start pairing up, instead of pairing top townreads first, I kind of think we should pair from the middle pairs until we hit scum, then reevaluate for the last few.

akarin is scum because the four pages between this & her last post are filled with actual content and this is a really peculiar moment to pop in with a mech comment - go back and reread from her last post to this one and tell me you think an akarin who is reading and trying to solve the game makes this post without commenting on anything else

unconscious guilt over me saying I was going to trust her is showing

bet on it.

[Necessary Sneasel]

Because it would flip them now and the endgame would be actually readable players, and they don't seem like they're scumreading each other particularly.

We shouldn’t ship anyone unless we think they’re both town. If the majority think this then great but that’s the only way that makes sense.

Nothing about either has really pinged me either way but I want to hear from players who actually have reads on them. Like Sneasel and Fidget for example. I would be extremely shocked if either one of them flipped scum here, so I think I trust their reads the most.

don't slander me I have no reads

rainbow reads weakly town because I don't feel like they're trying to look town (this is a setup which necessitates scum being very likeable), so much as doing things which they need to do as town. their iso is very undersold.

jake has done nothing in this game

[Necessary Sneasel]

I actually almost proposed to Sneasel earlier today, not that I think he'd accept, but I'm having some paranoia there. I think he's probably more likely town than not but I don't know, something about the "I'm gonna pair with Akarin, somebody stop me" thing. Plus, if he is town, I wouldn't want him to actually accept anyway.

There's 4 hours after Sneasel proposed to Uncrowned where Uncrowned was admittedly not that active but

did

have a couple posts on site elsewhere and there's not enough scum for it to be Sneasel + Uncrowned + Pooky. So scum!Uncrowned should have paired with whichever was town, or either if they both were.

I don't see what the gambit does for Uncrowned here if scum, and it's possible that it's Pooky + Uncrowned and Uncrowned missed the Sneasel thing but I think that's

much

less likely than Sneasel seems to think it is.

granted let's put this to bed

I trust uncrowned

[shellyc]

When we do start pairing up, instead of pairing top townreads first, I kind of think we should pair from the middle pairs until we hit scum, then reevaluate for the last few.

akarin is scum because the four pages between this & her last post are filled with actual content and this is a really peculiar moment to pop in with a mech comment - go back and reread from her last post to this one and tell me you think an akarin who is reading and trying to solve the game makes this post without commenting on anything else

unconscious guilt over me saying I was going to trust her is showing

bet on it.

hm?

necessary probtown for making a clear trajectory on akarin that I can follow. i disagree with it but I see where necessary is coming from. I'm not much of an "amount of content" read-maker and prefer to focus on the quality of the content in isos, which I feel akarin has in abundance

[shellyc]

wait is jake in this game

scum!necessary *Probably* doesn't go and trust unc (conftown) like that? I'd think scum would bide a little more time here.

[Necessary Sneasel]

ok talk me through what's towny in her iso and not just mech talk kgo

You know how when you get like halfway through a normal game and you just want to eliminate those players who have done absolutely nothing towny all game and you can't stand them making it to endgame, but then they flip VT?

I feel like that's Jake and Rainbow.

you think Jake and rainbow are that similar? can you try rainbow again?

[Necessary Sneasel]

don't really care for an actual date with uncrowned, just keen to settle his alignment

shelly if you want to trust him I can switch off

[shellyc]

- Proactivity in general. Actually suggests various things (such as early towniness counter, the mech stuff is fairly important because of the proactiveness to suggest things that are +town EV)
- Also proactively trying to further the (quite stuck) gamestate by suggesting rainbow-jake pairing
- Genuine solving, with a good TR on fidget that I can follow.

[shellyc]

i skimmed but isnt unc conftown or something because of not accepting the Trust

[Necessary Sneasel]

eh probably

[shellyc]

eh probably

why the "probably"? what qualms do you have?

[Necessary Sneasel]

i feel like your response to giving reasons to townread akarin which aren't mechanics is just "her fidget townread", 1 is exactly mech talk & 2 is just furthering the mech point she was already making (pair null players) by putting names in it