Mini 637: Xyl's Smalltown Plus - Game Over

[Xylthixlm]

Vote Count

Not voting: armlx, charter, hasdgfas, pwnz, wolframnhart

With 5 alive, it will take 3 to lynch. The deadline for today is Saturday, August 30 at 9:00 PM pacific.

If deadline hit today, no one would be lynched.

[wolframnhart]

mod i think you missed my vote earlier on pwnz so

vote pwnz

[pwnz]

I think that your attack on me is misguided, wolf.
I don't know that I will be alive tomorrow, I was merely offering to go first with my night action tomorrow for the sake of the town. It is up to you whether or not you want to take me up on the offer.

[armlx]

I don't think pre-emptively deciding those actions is the right play at all.

[pwnz]

What do you propose?

[armlx]

What do you propose?

Stick to the popcorn/random tomorrow.

[charter]

Haven't had much time for my reread. I'll try and get on it tomorrow sometime.

[charter]

Ack, I apologize for not getting this done already...

Can we get prods?

[hasdgfas]

charter, is there a reason you're not being very aggressive? I've noticed that usually you're much more aggressive than you have been in this game.

[wolframnhart]

i dont need a prod, im here

[charter]

charter, is there a reason you're not being very aggressive? I've noticed that usually you're much more aggressive than you have been in this game.

I like to mix it up. Plus this pertains to ongoing games so I can't talk much.

I went back and reread. Wolf spends quite a bit of day one just defending himself from empking. He also tries fitting in a lot.

But seriously I don't mind going with a general vote about who to use my dayvig power on, reason being I would rather kill the person everyone does a poison vote on so I am not accused of doing anything wrong.

Next there's a bit of discussion about his role and how to use it. It sort of parallels how crazy acted in regards to his role. He basically only popped in the thread after Empking accuses him.

Here is more evidence of him trying to fit in.

I am fine with either keeping night actions to ourselves (keep the mafia guessing) or plan it out to see where descrepenses have taken place the next morning.

I'm now on page 13, I'll try and finish the rest tonight, and then probably vote wolf.

[wolframnhart]

Two quotes and I try to fit in alot?
Its sad, but I believe you are actually trying hard to hunt out scum charter. If it wasn't for that I would have sent in a poison kill long ago, but I actually don't want to be the reason the town looses so I will refrain from using that power, even if i end up getting lynched today.

[charter]

Those are the hard evidence I have suggesting you want to blend in (from ~first half of day one). The rest is just how the majority of your posts are spent dispelling empking's bad arguements and not much looking for scum.

[wolframnhart]

So i should have just let Empking rag on about how I was scum? Of course I was going to try and dispel his bull crap. As I recall everyone got so sick of it they asked me to kill him off, you included charter.

[charter]

No, I'm not debating that empking's arguments were crap. They were. It's that the majority of your posts were defending yourself from him, not really that many focused on scumhunting.

[wolframnhart]

True my posts were mainly defending myself against his crap logic, but thats because I felt i needed to defend myself against crap logic. I did scum hunt, not as much as others i will freely admit, when pwnz made his crap case against you based on voting history. Then I also tried to hunt with ZS, even though a) he turned out to be a townie, still don't understand his play style though, and b)you seemed to find that scummy as well.

[armlx]

I don't like how you take credit for ZS when you more or less hopped onto the case has + I had pushed all game.

[wolframnhart]

I'm not trying to take credit at all. just stating that I tried to hunt, not that i was pushing for it as hard as you.

[armlx]

Hunting implies you made an original case.

[wolframnhart]

Well i never knew that so sorry on that point, next time I will not use the word "Hunting."

[wolframnhart]

Ok thinking on the day we are in and the situation lemme think..
If myself or another townie is lnched today, and I dont use my day vig, then one person could be (depending on how the people use their skills, and the only one with a saving role at this point is charter) one person could be killed off at night, which would mean that on Day 3 if there are two mafia thats it game over right?
If this is the case, and I think i have it right, then i am begining to wonder why Hascow would block charter on night 1. It is possible that charter could be scum, even though I am not convinced on that, but if he is townie then Hascow blocked the only protective role left, which gave his partner the ability to kill someone off (the other protective role at the time, Ged) with no one able to stop it from happening, brining us easily to Lylo.
Think i will

unvote

for now so I can think on this more.

[pwnz]

You're right wolf, its basically do or die time.
Posting to avoid a prod. Will comment with substance later.

[charter]

Ehhh, when pwnz voted for me with his crap case yesterday, I pretty much ignored it, and it nothing ever came of it, as is such with most blatently crappy cases (such as Empking's against you). I just feel like you got overdefensive when there was no reason to. I thought it was pretty clear that no one was buying into his case against you.

Your posts on page 14, all of them are explaining that if there's a majority, you'll poison empking or saying you poisoned him.
page 15, you post twice but basically say nothing.

@ armlx

I don't really see you or ZS as scum atm.

unvote

Not sure I really like the idea of lynching someone just as an insurance policy. You aren't directly attacking armlx for the whole "plan" thing, yet you do constantly bring it up in your arguments. This seems just odd enough to make it seem no so protown, only because it's not leading anywhere and yet you are still pursuing it to almost nitpickingness (spelling? lol) yourself.

vote ZS

Here you hop on after me and pwnz say we support the ZS lynch. This is my biggest reason for suspecting you as scum. You make no mention of ZS being scummy in between these two posts. You're jumping on ZS's wagon copying the justification of others. Your reasons for joining were known quite a while beforehand, but it was only after it seemed basically the entire town was in support of a ZS lynch that you go aboard. My post 512 questioned you for this as well.

517, your response to 512
We go back and forth a bit, I don't buy your reasons. I think around this point I get distracted by ZS and his ridiculous theories again.

@Has, if you are convinced we should lynch ZS, why aren't you voting him?

Don't really like the suggesting to Has to vote ZS, but I don't think it's a huge scumtell.

In 619, you say you're the only one voting. I say "Yes, and?" in 620.

Was just a question. Of course after i posted it i looked back, saw that myself and Has hadn't voted, until i asked Has about his vote and he put it on ZS. Zs is now at L-1, but I just feel like there is something I am missing because I don't want to end this day on a possible mislynch.

You only unvoted ZS after his claim when a few other people did (myself and has and maybe someone else). Here (coupled with 622) you manage to set yourself up to look good tomorrow by being afraid that ZS is a mislynch, and cast suspicion on pwnz for his part in the wagon. Knowing that ZS is town, these couple of posts give me the impression that you knew yesterday as well.

Stopped here. I think the only things that happened after was I hammer ZS, and then night. Then today.

Still I find the waiting to vote ZS until it was the popular thing to do, then managing to get yourself off the mislynch is the scummiest thing that's happened so far this game.

vote wolf

The only thing I gather from yesterday is that pwnz is not your partner. And from what I've seen in this game, it's not too much different from other games where he's been town. Like I said earlier today, I think armlx is his partner, but I haven't reread him with as much scrutiny as I have wolf, I'll try doing that when I get some time.

[armlx]

Wolf, Ged was a stronger protective role then Charter by far.

[wolframnhart]

Ged's role was a sacrificial role, he would have died if he protected the right person. Charter's role to me seemed more protective.