Mini 663 - Mind Screw Mafia II - Over

[iamausername]

I was wondering if I was the only one who was told to confirm by PM.

OK,

Vote: Battousai

. Alphabet. And I want to see who it actually ends up on.

Everyone (besides Battousai & MafiaSSK): Have you read the first Mind Screw game?

[iamausername]

OK, nobody else vote for Tar.

[iamausername]

Everyone (besides Battousai & MafiaSSK): Have you read the first Mind Screw game?

I was hoping for answers to this, btw, however much Tar apparently doesn't want them.

instead of a lynch, we get the scummiest person to vote for Tar. if nothing happens, then we proceed with the lynch. if the person is daykilled, then we can possibly continue the day?
what do you guys think about that?

If we're right in the assumption that Tar daykills anyone who votes for him, and we could persuade everyone to actually do this, this would probably be an excellent plan. Worth a try, anyway.

The Third Vote Count (aka the "Does It Still Count As A Mini If the Mod Is Playing?" Vote Count)

It might do if you immediately kill the first player to post.

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Vote: Battousai

, again. My vote should always be on someone, and I haven't found anywhere better to put it yet.

[iamausername]

Major bus'ing going on here, I suspect.

What makes you think that over the other possibilities?

[iamausername]

Wall-E is acting very strangly with his votes, but seems to be not scummy. I'm thinking maybe he could be a Jester?

Unvote, Vote: malthusis

[iamausername]

You should always

claim Jester immeadietly

stop distracting the town from scumhunting by talking about a Jester that most likely doesn't exist if your a

Jester

townie.

Fixed.

That's pretty much the answer to your last question, Wall-E.

[iamausername]

unvote
Vote: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:36 pm

I'm confused now, but lets see where random experimenting can get mE.

It's the other way round; the date and time got a vote from Jebus. Obviously.

p.s. Tar makes votecount errors all the time. It's always worth asking if they're deliberate.

So, mod: Wall-E is listed as having three votes, but only two people are apparently voting for him. Also, 'Not Voting' is listed as one vote, but three names. Does the omniscient see an error?

The Fifth and Sixth Vote Counts have been repaired. - Tar

[iamausername]

So, apparently one of malthusis or Dragons of Summer is a double voter.

[iamausername]

Oh yeah, didn't notice the FoS count being wrong too. Might just be another error, might be that FoSing yourself doesn't count.

FoS: iamausername

to test.

[iamausername]

Well, since we know it's you or DoS, you'd have to keep voting with him at all times to keep from revealing which of you it is. I think that's more likely to harm the town than just knowing who the double voter is. It's not really the kind of 'power' role that you really need to keep secret.

[iamausername]

Also, I'm going to throw an

unvote, vote: DGB

. Speak up, will you.

any reason you chose DGB over forbiddanlight (the other lurker)

Always go for the more well-known player, you know.

Also, forbiddanlight is dead.

[iamausername]

Jebus, do you want to stop experimenting with your vote when it's clear that there's nothing unusual about it, and start providing some actual content?

[iamausername]

No, he's just suggesting we claim the series (or whatever) that our role comes from. So, in that example, just Eureka.

I can't see how that would aid the scum, but I also can't see how it aids the town.

[iamausername]

Just a guess, but someone here, Battousai, has been given a character whose origin is Fullmetal Alchemist.

What an odd thing to say.

Unvote, Vote: Jebus

.

Going to need a better explanation for this than you've given.

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I've thought on it, and I still think the origin claim is pretty useless, but it's marginally more useless to scum than town, so I'm in favour.

Basically, it slightly narrows their options for fakeclaiming. Not very effectively, but I think a little moreso than the information they can glean about town roles from just this info.

[iamausername]

No lies, my win condition is totally that I win with the town; I am absolutely not a member of any kind of anti-town informed minority or a serial killer, no way. True story.

malthusis, why are you worried about someone claiming your name when we're not even doing a name claim?

[iamausername]

DoS isn't on your wagon, and Jebus is one of the scumbaggos, and yet you're urging him/her/it to unvote you because you know he/she/it is town.

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Are we going ahead with the origin claim? The only people who haven't voted yes are malthusis, who voted no for nonsensical reasons, and DGB, who is DGB.

[iamausername]

Isn't this a vote from DoS? Maybe the clerical error is yours, not mine... or at least partially yours...

Scumbaggos? I hardly think the fact that I am unwilling to post your sentence word for word proves anything, even more, I think it proves that the people willing to post it look more like desperate scum than anyone else does, and on top of that

vote DGB

with the amount of effort you have put into a certain other game I am in with you I know you are a better player than the amount of effort you have put into this game. And since you are playing so radically differently in the two I lean towards you being scum in this game for reasons that should be obvious to you (the reasons pertaining to why you are town in the other game).

Yeah, I was going by the votecount, which didn't have DoS listed as voting you. (It's been corrected since then.)

[iamausername]

And, Natirasha, why would you even make a statement like that without clarification? You know we're going to ask for it.

[iamausername]

None of the sentences you have written can be tested by a Lie Detector.

Woah, I'm starting to see the possibility that DGB might actually have a valid point hidden somewhere in there.

I win with the town, and am part of the town, but refuse to type your sentence as written.

This one seems vulnerable to polygraphy though. Because the second half is clearly true, so if it showed up as a lie, the first half would have to be the trigger.

Hey, I just noticed that I'm apparently

voting

myself.

UnFoS: iamausername

, I guess?

Yay mod error? - Tar

AGAIN I ASK:

Are we going ahead with the origin claim? The only people who haven't voted yes are malthusis, who voted no for nonsensical reasons, and DGB, who is DGB.

[iamausername]

Yay mod error? - Tar

Well, I want to UnFoS myself regardless.

My win condition is that I win with the town; I am not a member of any kind of anti-town informed minority or a serial killer.

lol

Yeah, so, do we need to draw up an order for origin claiming, or shall we just spurt them out all willy-nilly?

[iamausername]

What part of "we're not doing a name claim" was so hard to follow?

ORIGIN CLAIM = THE "FROM XXXXXXX" BIT ONLY. NOT YOUR NAME.

[iamausername]

Guys, I think the game might be nightless!

malthusis, 'counterclaiming' is pointless when it's quite possible for two people to have roles from the same source, and WE. ARE. NOT. DOING. A. NAMECLAIM.

My role comes from Battlestar Galactica.

[iamausername]

Also, if Tar is a player, whe have twelve, and normal rules would make it 7 to lynch. Somthing to think about.

Now, who thinks we should do a mass nameclaim? I vote no, but it's possible I could be convinced to change my mind if someone has a good reason.

[iamausername]

Well, we don't know for sure if that was the actual cause, but that's the working theory.

[iamausername]

W00t, five whole rules infractions. That means there are five rules related to lurking! Or maybe that I broke the same rule five times.

I was totally just lurking to test out the lurking rules. Honest.

So, if we're thinking of going ahead with lynching Jebus, as we appear to be (and clearly, I have no objection to doing so, or I would be unvoting right now), I think we want a full claim before we do so. Discuss.

[iamausername]

Also, I assume the "DoS, it does appear to be true" post was in response to DoS's asking DGB who she polygraphed. Thus meaning Natirasha was not polygraphed.

My win condition is still that I win with the town; I am still not a member of any kind of anti-town informed minority or a serial killer.

(Just in case DGB can only test statements from the most recent day. Or in case we have a cult, and she only finds out if the statement was true at time of posting.)

I am very due for a reread of this game and will get onto that some time tonight.

[iamausername]

I know it's Mind Screw and all, but I have to assume that Wall-E's mason partner would be town, because if you have two mafia masons, then aren't they just... regular mafia?

I think a claim from Wall-E's mason partner would be very helpful, if indeed he had one.

[iamausername]

So, hey, Natirasha, if you'd like to share your thoughts on why malthusis is a lying scumbag, that'd be grand.

[iamausername]

Really, is no one going to call me on my massive lurking in this game? It's been pretty criminal. Anyway, I did a reread of all the currently living players in light of the knowledge of Wall-E's alignment, and I'm going with malthusis as scum.

Starts with a random vote on Wall-E, OH BOY!

Oh, and a random FoS on him too? You sure did want to get that early distancing down, huh? Also,

SUGGESTS THAT WALL-E IS A JESTER! HI I'M A BIG FLASHING BLARING ALARM LIGHT/BELL COMBO ALERTING YOU TO THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT MALTHUSIS AND WALL-E ARE SCUM TOGETHER!

In here, he tries to feign ignorance about the double voter, even though he knows it's him, and everybody else knows it's him, because it's obviously him. This is not scummy, per se, but it's kind of odd.

Post #140. I sure love it when people say things like "Let's get back to scumhunting!" when they have never made any attempt at doing anything of the sort themselves.
This post is also where he explains how his FoS is actually a vote. Normally I'd expect a doublevoter to be likely pro-town, but in this game, not so much. And the nature of it if inherently deceitful, since he could very well have kept it hidden (and indeed tried to, for a while), which seems like a scum-oriented ability.

This post, on Page 7, is the first malthusis post you could really describe as having any attempt at scumhunting.

Uh. I don't understand why "I'm sure scum will claim my role name" is a

bad

thing, since it would find you one lying scumbag right there. I also don't think it is remotely likely, and I think this was a totally fabricated reason to be against the mass origin claim, because he didn't want to narrow down his fakeclaiming options.

Hops between Jebus (now confirmed town by death) and DoS (cleared by DGB; likely town) towards the end of D1, which appears to depend entirely on which has the bigger wagon at the time.

LOL, I wonder why.

And again.

Definite

Vote: malthusis

here.

[iamausername]

DGB, why don't you do a lie detector test on Nat, if you're concerned that he's lying about his alignment?

I don't think he is, because I can't see why he'd draw so much attention to himself, as scum, when he could easily have blended in with the townies, on the pretty good chance that you'd never good around to checking him.

Also, why did you wait until D2 to start attacking Natirasha based on his claim?

[iamausername]

@Iamusername

Starts with a random vote on Wall-E, OH BOY!

How is that scummy?(or, how does it relate to this)?

Scum 'randomly' vote their buddies, it's an established fact. This tell has never been wrong, ever.

Hops between Jebus (now confirmed town by death) and DoS (cleared by DGB; likely town) towards the end of D1, which appears to depend entirely on which has the bigger wagon at the time.

Where have you seen DGB say that DoS is cleared? All he's been saying that we should kill Nat over and over again.

I love how you don't even try to defend yourself for the incredibly scummy actions I pointed out here, just cast doubt on the confirmedness of a townie.

Deadline is nearby.

Let's lynch malthusis.

[iamausername]

Yeah, I've totally sucked in this game, and I honestly feel really bad about it after being such a cheerleader for the awesomeness of the first Mind Screw game.
But I have never needed to be replaced in any game yet, and I intend to keep that record, so I am absolutely going to step up my game from now on.

(That said, I'd also like to point out that the last time I had the chance to check the thread, I was the second most recent non-mod poster, and MafiaSSK didn't exactly leave me a lot to reply to. The time when malthusis requested a prod on me was one of the times I have least needed prodding in this game.)

Speaking of being too generous with people; Natirasha. You're not part of the town. Why the hell should we listen to you when you make vague statements about needing malthusis alive? I mean, if you really need us to, I'd think you'd put a little bit more effort into persuading us that it's in our best interest as well as yours.

[iamausername]

FoS: malthusis

. Obviously.

[iamausername]

Was that the hammer? Normally it would be, but we needed an extra vote yesterday, so perhaps not.

A majority of living players are FoS'ing Malthusis, and Malthusis now has a majority of FoS'es.

This is a little ominous.

[iamausername]

You think someone might be controlling Tar, either post death or alive? Not the mod posts (point of order, end point of order), but then one where he votes and what not. That might explain the your trust may be misplaced.

That would mean that person directed us all to vote Wall-E, who was scum, which would be a very odd thing for a scumbuddy to do, since it would have all the inherent disadvantages of regular bussing (scum team is down a member) without any of the advantages (gets to take credit for 'finding' scum).

I suppose the possibility also exists that it was a townie who was convinced that Wall-E was scum, but no one had made any particularly strong case against Wall-E when Tar posted the suggestion that we vote him, so I'm not seeing that as likely either.

[iamausername]

Wow, where did that vote come from?

[iamausername]

If we assume that thar were three scum before Wall-E went t' Davy Jones' locker, as would be t' norm for a twelve player game, we be in lylo now. So, I think massclaim be a good plan at this point. Do t' rest o' you have any thoughts?

I'm also guessin' that we all have a talk-like-a-pirate post restriction, and I'm goin' t' feel mighty foolish at t' end o' this day if me assumption turns out t' be wrong.

ARRR.

[iamausername]

Oh, thanks for killing the guy I was targeted with my ability. I could have confirmed Malthy town.

Why in t' sphinchter of Hell did ye not be tellin' us this yesterday, ye scurvy bilge rat?

[iamausername]

Damn, I figured out that forbiddanlight must have been behind the mysterious modposts as soon as she appeared to die for a second time, and I don't know why it took so long for the thought to occur to me.

I was definitely finding Nat suspicious just before my death and I was probably going to start pushing his lynch at that point, but Batt had me totally fooled, so I wouldn't be confident about town's chances even if you hadn't killed me, FL. Totally sucked that you did it at that point, anyway, I was really enjoying the talk-like-a-pirate post restrictions. I would love to play an entire game like that.

Well done, Natirasha, you played a good game. Awesome setup again, Tar, I love how much there is going on in these games that the players don't have a clue about until it's over.

[iamausername]

Seriously, lynching the double voter just because he's a double voter?

I don't know about anyone else, but I was lynching him because of a perceived connection with Wall-E. Anything I mentioned about his double vote in my case was more an explanation of why I was willing to lynch him DESPITE the double vote, not a reason why his double vote made him a worthy lynch.

I make no excuses for the rest of the town's screwups. I'm going to be a LOT more wary of survivor claims in future.