Open 796: Haunted Village Game Over

[Jewel Barons]

on page 22, noticed a lot of people pushing Dunn, I think he's made some commentary I don't think he would have made at this point as scum
I think scumStral tends to be a bit more sideliney

-GAMMA

[Cobra Kai]

And now you’re talking to me like you know I’m town. Aren’t you supposed to be scumreading me?

[Noraa]

no I'm trying to address ur arguments. I am not, ftr, by any means convinced ur town

[Cobra Kai]

I’m done engaging with you over this it’s only inflating the post count. Nothing you have done has changed my read on you- all you’ve done is try to force me to change my view instead of try to understand mine.

If anyone needs me give me a shout.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I NEED YOU

[Jewel Barons]

noraa flipped like 3 times in a monolgue

except one was an accidental selfvote rofl

VOTE: Cobra Kai

This slot has done worse than nothing.

It’s not badass to spam the thread. It is the be a man of few words, because those words get listened to.

Cobra Kai never dies.

I'm gonna cringe a lot at this person's posts, aren't I?

Joyed and datisi hydra

Not sure on scumreads. Was planning to reread at some point. Nothing is standing out as overtly scummy- I don’t particularly understand why joyed or Noraa are the leading wagons presently. Feels TvT.

Battle mage and Taylor

Not sure at this point in time.

That TvT read seems like an easy opinion to give. Why do you say it?

I rescind my earlier thoughts, I no longer think this is TvT.

If you look at +joyed’s iso noraa is the only scumread he won’t explain and he’s said multiple times why he can’t. This hyberbolic explanation shows Noraa cares more about eliminating him than trying to understand and read him.

He had explained scumreads on multiple others.

Just because you took it back doesn't mean I don't still want it explained.

I still think Taylor is scum.

I don't think I've seen a single thing about your Taylor read that hasn't amounted to what feel like personal/playstyle issues. I'm not impressed with her posts myself but you've done a poor job making her a compelling vote.

The problem is that if isis ever flips green this game, I will immediately think you were setting up chain lynches here

particular reason you only mentioned Isis? That would still probably come off the same way if you flip green first.

I think "setting up chain lynches" is a little too conspiratorial. That's something I've seen feared since the dawn of time, but I've never gone into a scum PT afterwards and found out that scum actually set up an X or Y fully expecting to ruin two days with it.

Gesturing at a pair of players and saying you think there's at least one scum in there somewhere and picking one to try and see hasn't ever been a method I've ever found very strong, though.

wow the pedits

i can say from personal experience, i have done that as scum.

you're probably right on the latter.

I feel like if you legitimately catch scum doing this, it's because they did a poor job. I agree with BM later in the page where he said it is a subtle thing.

Joyed and datisi hydra

Not sure on scumreads. Was planning to reread at some point. Nothing is standing out as overtly scummy- I don’t particularly understand why joyed or Noraa are the leading wagons presently. Feels TvT.

Battle mage and Taylor

Not sure at this point in time.

This is actually such a bad answer to murder's question.

I was intrigued by this actually, but I don't think you developed it?
Digame enemiga

what's with the text garbage on the second line?

To clarify, I changed my avatar because I requested an avatar in a speakeasy thread. I figured I needed to change it to show the person who chose it for me that he didn't waste his time

I’m playing this game how I want to. If you want to eliminate me for it then that’s on you guys and I’m not taking blame for it.

I was asked off the cuff quick fire questions and answered off the cuff and quick fire.

I think this response was pretty good actually

-GAMMA

[Jewel Barons]

noticed after hitting submit I hadn't responded to that last Noraa quote
you surely confused me. I also will be opting out because I do like being an anime vegetable rn, and if I were to change my avatar it would be to a guy character I already have in mind.

-GAMMA

[Cobra Kai]

I originally thought it was TvT because it was one of those endless wall post arguments that go on and on and this early in the game those typically come from town. I did glaze over it at first because it was a chore, but when I went back and reviewed it based off one of Noraas posts I reevaluated, like you saw.

And I turned the cringe down I just finished watching the series so I had to live it a bit, you know?

[Random Canadian]

xof and BM have both just hand waved you as LHF when

it’s pretty evident you aren’t giving a factual interpretation of the game.

Do you have a specific instance/scenario this is referring to here?

[Jewel Barons]

re 334: the reason i asked is because the "there could be scum on this wagon i guess lol bc wagon fast" in very early stages of the game with nothing else pointing at is like. weaksauce and p easy to post as scum, especially if you don't say who and like, do nothing about your "read" there

Was this a mistake in the post you linked? Or am I just not following the conversation that well?

it's fine to post "I scumread X player and am not going to say why due to the ongoing games rule" btw. Just not more

Very glad to get a listmod's view on this.

Don't use ongoing games as the basis for your read then hint vaguely at it in the game thread while never explaining anything, it NEVER goes well for you

ah he can't explain because its ongoing?
that's bullshit. ongoing = no reason at all.
ongoing also = easy way to make it seem like ur solving when ur fucking not.

What made you feel so strongly about this?

-GAMMA

@Present!Cobra Kai: thanks, that is actually a fair call to have made if you're viewing it without trying to judge it too hard, I agree those tend to end up as TvT.
btw how experienced is your main? Just curious since I had the thought while writing that last bit.

[Noraa]

particular reason you only mentioned Isis? That would still probably come off the same way if you flip green first.

I'd be dead then.

[Cobra Kai]

xof and BM have both just hand waved you as LHF when

it’s pretty evident you aren’t giving a factual interpretation of the game.

Do you have a specific instance/scenario this is referring to here?

Refer to my ISO.

She stated plusjoyed is avoiding explaining any scumreads, and if you look at his ISO there’s a readslist with explanation amongst others.

She said I had no trajectory before I voted her when a good chunk of my iso has been talking about her.

She stated my read is meta based because I answered her question of if I’m familiar with her, when my read has nothing to do with meta at all.

There’s more in my ISO if you’re curious. Feel free to double check these all.

[Cobra Kai]

Join date before yours but after BM, gamma. A good chunk of games.

[Noraa]

What made you feel so strongly about this?

he has no other reasons. He's going to sus me for a singular game which is already annoying but then on top of that the games ongoing so basically there's no literal argument there.

[MURDERCAT]

Re:Noraas- I’ve seen you argue as town and you are stubborn but not this over the top, as she is. I get you want to stick up for someone you think is LHF but I think you are underestimating Noraa.

I agree with this

[Noraa]

there’s a readslist with explanation

really now? lets take a quick look at that reads list with the overly detailed explanations. Hold up while I find it

[Cobra Kai]

haunted house gutreads / early reads

murdercat: weak-town. didnt like the rc vote, it came off as lamisty, but i've liked their other stuff. Like up until iso post 36 i was down on town!murdercat. I still am but slightly less, mainly when they started looking at wagonomics.

isis: town. Partial bias here cause menagerie, but I also think this is genuine town!isis I saw in menagerie. Her townreading exorcist also helps my confidence here.

exorcists: town. I think his posts show a town mindset. Like not a single one of his posts i have a problem with.

ego: town. I think his posts show a town mindset. Same reasons as exorcist. No posts I have a problem with.

bm: weak-town. dont like the desperate taylor push this early. Maybe its something he does as town idk. At least I don't think him vs taylor is SvS but I actually get TvT vibes there. Reason why is that their beef seems more based on past games and frustration rather than actual scumhunting but seems too genuine to be SvS this early. So he's less towny than taylor but nulltown because I think him vs Tayl0r is TvT.

side note, I can't believe BM doesn't have an avi and has been here since 2007.

noraa: sus. Can't elaborate much, but I think her push on me comes from a bad place due to meta reasons. Noraa also likes to push aggressively as scum on town.

rc: weak-sus. seems very flaily imo and i get an aura of anxiety from this narwhal and not a fan of the isis vote + entrance, though he could just be nervous town since I've only done 1 newbie game with him.

xoxelf: most sus for reasons i talked about earlier. I wanna pursue this for now.

dunnstral: neutral. He's thrown out a lot of reasons why someone could be scum and tried to shut down reads from my understanding upon iso look. Not a fan, but I don't strongly disagree with any of their points either, so I have to place him in neutral

Tswift: weak town read. I think the reaction to the bm push comes from frustrated town. Their play reminds me a bit of 2163.

jewels: weak town. Iso seems rather towny upon reread and mod response mildly implies they are town (think it was a mod slip).

cobra: very weak town. Liked his fast readlist, I believe that comes from a townie more likely. But with 8 posts and most of them NAI im still kinda unsure.

[MURDERCAT]

Is that scummy for PJ in particular? I tried to apply this as a general tell rather than a personal one in a recent game and it was a hard miss. The last time I'd applied it before that was a personal read and it was accurate, so think that's how it should be used.

I have never played with Plus

[Cobra Kai]

Xof explanations are throughout his ISO.

[MURDERCAT]

Particular reason you don't want to vote anywhere else? I don't think we're at the point where consolidation is critical yet, are we?

No, just trying to make things happen

[Jewel Barons]

VOTE: noraa

thats where im voting to save myself btw

there's no pressure on you tho

i've already spoken a bit about jewels in 146/316 and like... norwee is giving me the same vibes he did when i was playing scum against him. like, the closest he has to a read is 394, which like. it's bad. granted, i don't know how to read gamma, but nothing he's done or posted so far is like, jumping out at me or saying ~town~, so.

my current hot take: VOTE: jewel barons

-tisi

I'm aware this probably doesn't do us any favors with you but on discord nor has told me he's had some difficulty forming reads and he'll probably just let me solve the game

Plus is on v/la. Isis was literally here yesterday. People have lives that aren’t this game. Besides there are three people with more time away than them.

I'm glad you are mindful of that sort of thing. Yesterday I couldn't have really posted here even if I wanted to because I was so occupied with a few other games I had devoted myself to handling as soon as I could, and most of my free time was already being consumed by other things. This was meant as a bit of a rant but also kinda serves as an unwarranted explanation?

-GAMMA

[Noraa]

haunted house gutreads / early reads

murdercat: weak-town. didnt like the rc vote, it came off as lamisty, but i've liked their other stuff. Like up until iso post 36 i was down on town!murdercat. I still am but slightly less, mainly when they started looking at wagonomics.

isis: town.

Partial bias

here cause menagerie, but

I also think this is genuine town!isis

I saw in menagerie. Her townreading exorcist also helps my confidence here.

exorcists: town.

I think his posts show a town mindset.

Like not a single one of his posts i have a problem with.

ego: town.

I think his posts show a town mindset.

Same reasons as exorcist. No posts I have a problem with.

bm: weak-town. dont like the desperate taylor push this early. Maybe its something he does as town idk. At least I don't think him vs taylor is SvS but I actually get TvT vibes there. Reason why is that their beef seems more based on past games and frustration rather than actual scumhunting but seems too genuine to be SvS this early. So he's less towny than taylor but nulltown because I think him vs Tayl0r is TvT.

side note, I can't believe BM doesn't have an avi and has been here since 2007.

noraa:

sus. Can't elaborate much

, but I think

her push on me comes from a bad place due to meta reasons

. Noraa also likes to push aggressively as scum on town.

rc:

weak-sus

. seems very flaily imo and i get an aura of anxiety from this narwhal and not a fan of the isis vote + entrance, though he could just be nervous town since I've only done 1 newbie game with him blah blah

fencesitty

.

xoxelf:

most sus for reasons i talked about earlier.

I wanna pursue this for now.

dunnstral: neutral. He's thrown out a lot of reasons why someone could be scum and tried to shut down reads from my understanding upon iso look.

Not a fan, but I don't strongly disagree with any of their points either, so I have to place him in neutral

Tswift:

weak town read.

I think the reaction to the bm push comes from frustrated town. Their play reminds me a bit of 2163.

jewels:

weak town.

Iso seems rather towny upon reread and mod response mildly implies they are town (

think it was a mod slip

).

cobra:

very weak town.

Liked his fast readlist, I believe that comes from a townie more likely. But with 8 posts and most of them NAI im still kinda unsure.

[Noraa]

do you really see good reasons?

[MURDERCAT]

Reason you felt like doing this when you did?

It's getting close to do a D1 reread time so I'm trying to get more out of some lurky slots

[Noraa]

Half of it is fencesitty af and most of the rest is just words slapped onto a page that really don't help anyone.