Open 796: Haunted Village Game Over

[Battle Mage]

Plus cannot provide a single reason for why I'm scum besides a reason that he cannot say bc tHe gAmE iS oNgOiNg however I think if I am the strongest SR of his, there should be more than one reason that is based on one singular game :/

Isis sussed me for a reason then dropped it cuz I was being "towny" then brought it back for a completely different reason. point is that her progression was unnatural and not well justified either. It all seemed like scum trying to seem like solving but not actually solving.

interestingly one of the early pings I got from Isis was the LACK of progression in her reads

[Noraa]

lel I did that when I had zero pressure. is that really scum!Noraa meta?

yes

is it tho?

[Battle Mage]

No harm in guessing. Not like imma tell u if it's right or not anyways.

lol im not gonna guess, but if im right i might feel better about vouching for you

[xofelf]

Yes, I agree. Sometimes defensiveness is just instictual, not scummy. That's why I'm trying to figure out which this is. But also, if there are more solid reasons that I'm missing to look at those people in her list, I'm curious what she thinks. Cuz I do wanna look at iso's and see if I can see what she's seeing.
Pedit: Okay, thank you. You may have a good point re: Plus.
I think this is what Isis does from what I remember of her game. I don't know if this is scum!Isis, just doesn't feel it. But I could be very wrong and biased as Isis is a friend.

[Noraa]

I could be convinced on isis. but unless plus provides a reason for any of his reads for that matter, I am not untunneling.

[Cobra Kai]

Always makes me laugh when people create a brand-new alt account to play a game, and then want to claim they have loads of experience.

Pinky promise I do. You can judge it regardless of my play I just want to give the best odds of reading me

Re:Noraas- I’ve seen you argue as town and you are stubborn but not this over the top, as she is. I get you want to stick up for someone you think is LHF but I think you are underestimating Noraa.

[Noraa]

this isnt even over the top for me :/

[Noraa]

murder where u at? come talk about Roses

[Noraa]

cobra have I played a game with you before? or where did you see me argue as town?

[Cobra Kai]

I have played with you but I’m not going into it more than this-

I see some similarities to some things but I also, frankly think your play seems much more erratic this game than I remember. I plan to look over some of your other games if I get time. It’s lower priority than my reread.

[Jewel Barons]

I-
Gamma why u gotta bully me
but also don't reply to a post if ur only gonna say "is it now" cuz that could lean either way and is rather confusing when trying to read u. Instead of "is it now" just say "I disagree" or "I agree"

The entire point of that was to get your goat though, as I know you self-meta a lot yourself, so you were either being ironic or had a lapse of self-awareness
and I think self-meta is generally useless, but it can be useful to see how self-aware someone is ,like, if they overlook one of their tells, that means it's probably still reliable. The key is probably to pay attention to what isn't said.

That's wifom. Scum can fakeclaim doc after picking that role.

Quoting what I think is the best example, but I like the level of skepticism Dunnstral is having rn

Should anyone wish to get a PT, I will give it to them, I just assumed that the hydras would use discord.... and am lazy.

my partner also assumed we'd use discord fyi, which was kinda funny because this was one of the few hydras I've made even close recently that wasn't organized over discord

The question isn't really if it *could be* fake, the question is would scum gamma think to fake it?

I'll hold off on this but I know someone in this game will have an opinion on this

I find it interesting that Plus's readlist has exactly 3 scum and most everyone else is town. I'm not sure what to make of it yet, but I wanted to being that up for discussion. It might be a bit, crafted?

Is that scummy for PJ in particular? I tried to apply this as a general tell rather than a personal one in a recent game and it was a hard miss. The last time I'd applied it before that was a personal read and it was accurate, so think that's how it should be used.

VOTE: PlusJOYED

I think I'd rather be voting with Dunnstral, Gamma, and Noraa than Plus, Taylor, and Isis right now

Also I think xofelf has been fine and that Plus readlist just seems a bit off to me.

Particular reason you don't want to vote anywhere else? I don't think we're at the point where consolidation is critical yet, are we?

VOTE: PlusJOYED

I think I'd rather be voting with Dunnstral, Gamma, and Noraa than Plus, Taylor, and Isis right now

Also I think xofelf has been fine and that Plus readlist just seems a bit off to me.

what is with these wagonomics?
i dont like this post at all. You've been wagon hopping really hard. Like your voting not who you think is scum, but voting who you think is more towny to sheep with. Like it's hard to see this play coming from town.

While this gets some parts wrong I do think the focus on wagon value was a little shady

I could see PJ and MCat as scum together rn fyi

-GAMMA

[Noraa]

were you in a scum game of mine or a town game? I won't ask username since u made an alt, ur clearly not fine with just telling me. I advise you not use meta on me as all of my games so far have been really really different. My 2 town games are vastly different and my 3 scum games are really different from each other as well.

[Noraa]

my meta is by no mean consistent.

[Noraa]

*means

[Tayl0r Swift]

were you in a scum game of mine or a town game? I won't ask username since u made an alt, ur clearly not fine with just telling me. I advise you not use meta on me as all of my games so far have been really really different. My 2 town games are vastly different and my 3 scum games are really different from each other as well.

hmmm ive definitely picked up on some tells from you that have been consistent. and you havent done any of your town tells this game.

[Cobra Kai]

My read isn’t a meta read, Nora. You asked if I had and I shared my thoughts on it.

[Noraa]

I don't think you've grasped what my town tells are then

[Noraa]

I personally have not paid too much attention to what my tells are however I do not think they are consistent because people always read me wrong. if you think you know my town tells, you don't unless you get my alignment right like 5 games in a row.

[Noraa]

My read isn’t a meta read, Nora. You asked if I had and I shared my thoughts on it.

yeah it is. u said I'm more .... idk aggressive/unreasonable than I was in some town game I played with you

[Jewel Barons]

plus lets start a counterwagon on dunnstral

VOTE: dunnstral

how about no

Can you provide the evidence for this because that's not accurate imo

Bold move to include this in a hedgy quotewall.
Locke13 in Death List, gobbledygook in Flying Scumsman, me, in like, certain cases, Flying Scumsman actually lol. This is definitely something that's empirical and not something I figured should be theoretically true and started looking for in games.

I am aware of the irony.
But for real, while I feel like my catchups tend to end up less salient when I'm scum, I also just have that fluffy urge to provide snarky commentary as both alignments (maybe I should have a review show lol). It doesn't matter what format I use to catch up, it just happens. The main thing I try to do, at least these days, is make it so the commentary is peppered into other posts with actual content, rather than just alone.

Plus' posting on page 20 is awful and he deserves the votes he has

501 does not seem towny to me at all

But I know it is very egg-on-face if I don't sort that town and should be able to

I feel like I have been mad at players like that as scum moreso than town because as town it seems like it could be weak scumplay that is more forgivable.

I can kinda understand this perspective and I also recall not liking some of what I have seen of Noraa from skimming on my main
But I think Noraa isn't really frustrated as much as bothered by how PJ is just not acting according to reason, I think Noraa tries to be logical and assumes others would try to do the same, so seeing someone act outside her worldview upsets her

VOTE: Cobra Kai

This slot has done worse than nothing.

Reason you felt like doing this when you did?

501 does not seem towny to me at all

But I know it is very egg-on-face if I don't sort that town and should be able to

I feel like I have been mad at players like that as scum moreso than town because as town it seems like it could be weak scumplay that is more forgivable.

Fair enough, what specifically stuck out to me was "you couldn't explain a TR that should be pretty easy to explain to murder" which makes me think Noraa has been tracking this stuff and is genuinely feeling frustration.

Oversoul van be my ride or die homey

The frustration from the HH slot also feels somewhat genuine

Scum can experience genuine frustration
Scum can experience genuine frustration
Scum can experience genuine frustration
Scum can experience genuine frustration
Scum can experience genuine frustration

This quote has always stuck with me and the author is around :3

Is this an invitation to speak? Doesn't matter because when you addressed me I was gonna do it anyway.
As already stated, Noraa's mood seems more like being rattled over frustration.

-GAMMA

[Cobra Kai]

It was in response to your questioning if I have experience with you. I said I saw similar pieces to your play as town but you’ve over all been more erratic this game. Are any of the points I’ve brought up about you been about your erratic play? No. I’m not really sure how people are just hand waving you like they are, frankly, because you’ve had some statements about the game that are easily fact checked that are getting ignored.

[Noraa]

I’m not really sure how people are just hand waving you like they are, frankly, because you’ve had some statements about the game that are easily fact checked that are getting ignored.

?

[Cobra Kai]

xof and BM have both just hand waved you as LHF when it’s pretty evident you aren’t giving a factual interpretation of the game.

[Noraa]

and how is it not a factual interpretation?
speaking of which, just because you don't agree doesn't mean its scummy :/

[Noraa]

plus factual isnt the word to use here. Reads are subjective and biased. They are opinions not facts.