Mafia 79 - "The Amish Mafia" GAME OVER... WHO WON?

[killa seven]

These are some gem posts by rbt starting with day 1

RANDOM VOTE:Rigel

Sometimes, you must trust the highest power of them all.

Thats his ramdom vote.

His very next post..

UNVOTE

VOTE: ValiantValant

I say he's posting too much; almost seems like he's trying to defend himself over every action.

He's jumpin on the vv wagon.. with poor reasoning "posting too much"

I guess I just find it funny that there are so many posts from you, while others are quite clearly lurking. I don't think that it's wrong to be highly active (especially if sick), but it seems out of place when it seems like there's more lurking than posting. Should have seen everyone post at least once since we've started.

OOC: Family trauma sucks. Hope it gets better.

Here he is explaining his poor vote. basically saying because he's active he must be scum.

I guess I just find it funny that there are so many posts from [VV], while others are quite clearly lurking. I don't think that it's wrong to be highly active (especially if sick), but it seems out of place when it seems like there's more lurking than posting. Should have seen everyone post at least once since we've started.

Unvote, Vote: Riceballtail

for complaining about VV's talking too much. Attempting to prevent/lessen discussion is scummy. FoS: Mellowed Man for the same reason.

I never intended to prevent discussion, I just wanted discussion to involve more than just four or five people. As you may notice, these posts invoked quite a bit of discussion, so why would I have made such a clearly scum-filled post "Hey, scum-post here, don't talk anymore!", knowing that I would command that much attention, drawing scum-glares?

Yeah, it drew attention. Risky? Quite. Worth it? Gotten a lot of replies from people who were being quite silent before. That's what it wanted to do.

Back tracking..

To me it basically says that he's not going to get involved until there's an opening for him to get involved without looking scummy at all. Anyone agree/disagree with me on that?[/u]

/agree

FoS: Celebloki

Also curious as to Rigel, whom has been quiet (computer trouble is a good excuse, but it didn't really stop me). Still waiting to see something else to make any real judgments though.

agree's with q21's veiw of celoboki while providing nothing.

Dear God... Why did I just set myself up like that?

Because you want to get lynched? Taking one for the team no doubt.

UNVOTE

Vote: ZS

Don't worry, we'll see to it that your scum buddies follow shortly.[/b]

Hops on the zs wagon no real substance just taunting. and sounding cocky.

ZS: So long, and thanks for all the wine. Smart townies shouldn't have any need to use a WIFOM in the first place.

Also:

FoS: Mellow

Partly for hammering, partly excuse-lurking.

FoS: Babygirl

Also excuse lurking, although this time in advance.

throws a fos on mm for hammering the guy he was voting for also. and also fo's him for lurking then fo's bg for lurking.

First: Welcome replacements!

Second:

VOTE: babygirl86

I want to hear some explanation too. Mellowed would be wise to follow suit, especially after the lynch.

throws a vote on BG here for basically lurking.

His next post...

First:

UNVOTE

Mellowed, you're failing at being less scummy than you want to be. I didn't like you D1, considering how much you lurked D1. Then you gave a crap reason for hammering. You even blamed it on your lack of participation!

I do feel contrite that I hammered ZS, I guess my absence led to stupidity, but I am NOT making any pathetic excuses for myself. Furthermore, those accusing me of making up an excuse for not posting can look and see that I had not before today posted in ANY of my ongoing four games in the same amount of time (4 days) as this one, and that I did indeed post in the Vacation/Limited Access Thread the first time I had just a short period of spare time yesterday.

Here you admit not participating, and also failing to make the notification that you were going to be V/LA until the day before you decided to "come back". IMO you've just reached the top of my scum charts. You and BG are taking this to a personal fight, similar to what you seemed to disapprove of BM and Fonz doing. Since you can't make up your mind, we'll help you.

VOTE: Mellowed Man

Also, don't lurk D1, then decide to call others out on lurking D2. It looks really bad.

attacks MM strongly as others are attacking him, gives reasons to him lurking and his hammer vote.

Here you admit not participating, and also failing to make the notification that you were going to be V/LA until the day before you decided to "come back". IMO you've just reached the top of my scum charts.

VOTE: Mellowed Man

Also, don't lurk D1, then decide to call others out on lurking D2. It looks really bad.

I was on V/LA during D1, so how is that lurking? I didn't post in any of my games. That's crappy logic there Riceball. FOS for following my wagon, and repeating what everyone's said, except in a paradoxical way.

So it would be legit for everyone to FoS you when you did the same to BG? And it's not that you went V/LA, it's that you did it at the END of your V/LA period. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been a problem.

Also interesting that you have to OMGUS my vote, especially after you did the same to BM. You reek of scum, and it's time for you to go. Too much OMGUS and too much WIFOM.

CONFIRM VOTE: Mellowed Man

continues the MM pressure and "confirms his vote"

FoS: Celebloki

You just can't wait to get to your night choice now can you?

Fos on cel for asking if the town was gonna have to play the waiting game on the mod, hints that cel wants to get his night kill in.. another weak fos.

Yeah, I probably did reach. I've just been hounded in other games because apparently I "parrot talk" too much, so I wanted to get the first word in to avoid that. So, I may have screwed up, but I was only trying to avoid everyone disregarding my comments because of this supposed trend I've had in posting. Wagon me if you choose, but I already learned from this.

Back tracking..tryna explain his over eagor fos.

Incrediball: Are you saying you know of a second doctor role? Would you like to, perhaps, explain how you know?

BM: Stop aggravating the situation, it doesn't look well on your part.

MM: Now that you are off V/LA, which you never seemed to have been on in reality, and not being hammered either, you're quite confident in your claim. Too bad for you I don't buy it.

Alabaska: I understand what you are trying to say, and I do think BM is intentionally pushing people around. Otherwise, last two days are Neutral/Townish

Fonz: Sympathies, as you to must suffer under the BM's mind games. I do think you did a reach on that post, but I also realize that you may not be wrong either. Neutral feelings.

BG: Flaking, not liking it either.

nsw, marmalade, JL, K7, Rigel: Either lurking or flaking. Part of why the game isn't progressing as much.

FoS

for all of you.

Anyone not mentioned above: nothing particularly new to say.

Overall: MM and BM are showing to be quite scummy, and I don't like it. I think MM almost deserves policy LAL, especially saying he wasn't going to have access, then posted more frequently than the rest of the game. I still want to know what happened to VV.

here hes addressing other players, fos's lurkers again, says mm and bm are most scummy, suggests MM needs a policy lynch for "lying" about being vla.

Rice himself goes vla.. then comes back to post this..

After a quick read, still think MM is quite scummy, but too many people want to see him prove by a NK. The flaw I see is that he could do this NK as either a vig, scum (by having a buddy do it, as he may be RBd), or as an SK.

Alabaska is neutral, leaning scum to me right now. Not convinced enough of a lynch though.

Interested to see what Kuribo and Dizzy turn into. I'm still neutral with those two.

BG really seems scummy, and I think she's earned the lynch.

With that

UNVOTE; VOTE: BabyGirl86

Sais he still finds mm scummy but is happy to jump on the next best wagon which is bg. doesnt really provide a reason.

HIS VERY NEXT POST

VOTE: MM

LAL. That is all. If he is not lying, then we shall see. But I do not believe it.

Hops back on MM when the town is on MM, not a strong reaon just "LAL"

Ima stop right now, and take a break and come back and finish the rest of his posts..
so far hes hopped on the best wagons, heavily attacked lurkers.. not really provided any case of his own.

[q21]

K7 - I'd like to see a response to this post.

im here not liking kuribos last few posts but sc kinda acted the same way.

HOW NICE OF YOU TO JOIN US, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME OF MAFIA WITH US

What u talkin about? i posted alot more then most people in this game today is the only day ive slacked off, you and suye have been realy ghost most of the game today u show back up randomly voting people and all pumped to lynch lurkers.

I need to do a qucik re read this game has stalled so much.

I would like to point out the lie in this post. Care to explain how your 4 posts in a 236 post day one is not slacking off? Especially when one of those posts is a confirmation at the beginning of the day and another is an agreement that we should alert the back up mod when xyzzy took a long time to end the day.

The way you responded to a fairly pointed accusation of inactivity with an outright lie is scummy.

[Riceballtail]

More votes on K7! DO IT!

[killa seven]

Rice continued..

Now that Mellowed Man's on the way, I'm looking pretty hard at Riceballtail. Here's why:

Day 1: He accuses ValiantValant of posting too much, as if he has to defend everything that comes up about them. One, how is posting too much scummy? Two, why shouldn't he have defended everything? Was he supposed to sit there and ignore the accusations, and God knows what misfortune befalls him?

Day 2: Bandwagon much? He gave a very weak reason for voting for BabyGirl86, and it seems like he was backing her into a corner and forcing her out of the game. Bullying bankrupts your credibility if it gets you anywhere at all,

Day 3: His only post is to vote for Mellowed Man because of the lynch-all-liars strategy. Granted, I eventually hammered MM for LAL too, but this is all you have!? Come the heck on!

Vote: Riceballtail

Day1: He posted 5 times in a day. He took a very defensive stance, and I found it scummy when it was very random at that stage of the game.

Day2: I would say that it could easily have been seen as weak reasoning, but I find it frustrating when people act that way. You seem to be picking pretty hard with making that a big case of it. Her play was very scummy, so why do you call my reasoning weak?

Day3:See all my reasoning from D2. There was already a strong case, and I'd pointed it out then. This is a bad justification. D3 didn't have a lot of discussion, it was mostly decided from D2 he was the lynch of the day if there weren't two kills.

VOTE:Coug

, you only have a decent case from D1, and that's still a bit of a reach.

well...

RBT's main antagonists are dead. they are town. one or two of them was nightkilled.

he's been wagoning, and opportunistic.

he's had little input, and next to no defence.

he is scum.

vote RBT.

Yes, my antagonists are dead, I guess I'll just have to fish up some new ones, won't I? Hmm, funny you are pointing this out though. It's quite easy that someone has been doing this to set me up, possibly you?

HoS:Mr.I

First he explains his reasons for voting MM, then omgus votes SG, then he HOS's MR i and hints that someone is setting him up by killing people that were suspicious of him..

That's great, but my primary concern with you about Day 3 was your activity. Pop in, vote, pop out. That's all you did.

That was my finals time. I was on LA, so I didn't have much time to make a real elaborate post. Also note how much time the day took in pages, many people only posted once, or not at all. I feel that making me scum from that isn't very considerate of the circumstances.

Explains his lurking on day 3.

I agree with Coug's ideals.

Also, I will be inactive most of the next two days (travel) and when I get back I should be able to be off LA. I don't really see any lynch candidates right now, so...

UNVOTE

Unvotes coug agreeing/ latching on to his idea. or maybe realizing he has no case on him

next post

VOTE:Marmalade

Page 26 lurker hunt ready go.

Lurker vote..

Only voting to get people to post. Unless you're afraid you and your scumbuddies are going to quick-hammer.

explains his ramdom vote..

I'm just fairly suspicious as to how all of my enemies/people who found me suspicious are dead, but yet I haven't killed anyone. Him bringing that fact up makes me think he's trying to peg me with the crime, when I haven't done anything.

Again hints that he is being set up throughout the game with the NK's.

@modkills: I guess it's okay. We can just say today had a super triple lynch spectacular or something. I've never been in this position before, so I can't say I know exactly what to do.

Agree's with massmodkill idea.

Sounds like you're worried about your scumbuddies getting modkilled there killa.

FOS:Killa

When i was against the mod kill idea, he weak fo's me and sais it sounds like im worried my buddys are gonna get modkilled.. very weak..

Wagon forms on RBT.. so he claims..

CLAIM: Nurse

Protected MM N2, even though I didn't believe it. Figured if he really was a vig, he would have not been so self-destructive to the town.

Protected Kuribo N3. Felt he was pro-town enough to protect.

Claims he is a nurse, sais he protected MM even tho he voted him the next day..

Now, I'm no first-class protective role, but I would see it generally wise to protect a un-countered vig claim with a group this size. I could be wrong on that, but I was willing ot take the risk. I'm guessing either everyone wanted BM dead, or I made a successful protection N2.

As for N3, I really just went for someone that I didn't find suspicious at all. Kuribo fit that quite well, and so I chose him.

explains his reason for protecting MM, and sais that either his protection worked or everyone was trying to kill bm(wifom)

That way leads to huge piles of WIFOM, killa seven. Huge piles.

Piles of wine? How would that even work?

Pyramids, I'm guessing. Maybe those fancy wine racks? </notgame>

UNVOTE, VOTE:Coug

One good backstab deserves another...

Sidenote: Today feels as horribly difficult as D1.

jumps back on coug with poor reason..

I am also still here. Still suspicious of Coug, but I'm not convinced enough on anyone for a lynch. Did a good analysis, giving town-vibes, but not fully convinced yet. Vote stays for now, may remove if it becomes out of control on the wagon. My top three fall into Mr. I, Coug, and Dizzy. No real order to it, just my top three suspects right now.

Sais he is still suspicous of coug even tho he has no case on him.

Wait for it.. wait for it.. very next post...

unvote; vote Dizzy

It's time to try and get this game going again...

Jumps on the Dizzy wagon..doesnt give a reason abandons his vote on coug which he no case on either..

Next day comes..

Only one NK last night, compared to our seemingly usual two.

I would also like to see something come out of UROE, see what his thoughts are. He did replace at the end of the day, so I can understand wanting to read it through a few times before making any rash posts. It was rather long though...

Inquiring about nk's is a scumtell.

Last night, I had a hard decision, but I went with UROE, I couldn't do Kuribo again.

I protected MM N2, as said before.

claims he protected UROE.. a guy who replaced a lurker and uroe Hadnt posted yet.. i dont buy it..

I don't know, there could be another RB too.

I imagine the person who did kill SC was an SK, based on xyzzy's description. I could be wrong though, of course.

Here he is inquiring about the NK sais based on xyzzy's "description" it looks like a sk. seems to me he knows more then just the description..

next post..

Vote: Surye

D5 lurker hunt gogogo.

lurking hunting.. again.. no scumhunting..

next post..

Unvote; Vote: Mr. I

MOD:

Prod Mr. I please.

i guess he lurker hunting here again..

Actually,

UNVOTE; VOTE K7

Mr. I has probably disappeared from the site (he doesn't seem to have posted in any threads as of late, so he probably isn't even here to defend himself. K7, however, happens to be frequently posting in other games, and has done a fantastic job of going under the radar so far this game. I get a fairly bad sense of active lurking coming out of him, and I'm beginning to think he's scum because of that.

votes me for "lurking" but hey he votes almost everyone for that..
with no reasoning.. no scum hunting at ALL..

very next post..

Unfortunately, this lurkish style is present in

everybody's play this game

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Edited to encourage more posting, as I think we all seem to be really neglecting this game.

edits korts post, wants to encourage more posting..

Can we lynch K7 now?

Why? you made no case on me? nothing .

I'm sorry my posting has been pretty sparse lately, I have a whole pile of projects and assignments to hand in which has left me with no time for online recreation. On the weekend (Friday night/Saturday morning) I should be able to catch up properly and respond to what's happened and to anything that's been thrown my way.

Life happens. Just vote K7 and I'll forgive you.

Directing q21 telling him to vote me and he will forgive him for not posting much (ironically thats why he's voting me)
scummy as hell.

For one thing, if the modkilled is scum, we can go back to look for connections.

Why are you assuming that the modkilled will be scum? Statistical likelyhood shows he's more likely to be town.

I would be against it too, because if he is town (which I doubt, but) then it could end the game or put us into some other weird situation.

I still think K7 is scum and should be lynched though.

Again no reason he just "thinks im scum and should be lynched"

at this point i made part one of my case and all RBT does is come in and say..

More votes on K7! DO IT!

No defense no case nothin. sounds like hes just eager to lynch me before i can finish my case or have a word.

Rice is scum.. wagon hopping, lurker hunting with no scum hunting all game, poor logic (im beeing set up with the nk's the whole game)
Inquiring about NK's (classic sum tell, see tars scum tells)

VOTE RBT

I would like to hear everyone thoughts on rice and my case on him

[killa seven]

K7 - I'd like to see a response to this post.

im here not liking kuribos last few posts but sc kinda acted the same way.

HOW NICE OF YOU TO JOIN US, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME OF MAFIA WITH US

What u talkin about? i posted alot more then most people in this game today is the only day ive slacked off, you and suye have been realy ghost most of the game today u show back up randomly voting people and all pumped to lynch lurkers.

I need to do a qucik re read this game has stalled so much.

I would like to point out the lie in this post. Care to explain how your 4 posts in a 236 post day one is not slacking off? Especially when one of those posts is a confirmation at the beginning of the day and another is an agreement that we should alert the back up mod when xyzzy took a long time to end the day.

The way you responded to a fairly pointed accusation of inactivity with an outright lie is scummy.

It wasnt a outright lie lol i hadnt re read at that time, i guess day on i wasnt around.. but can u say others like MR i and surye have posted more then me? surye hasnt contributed at all in a few days and is active in 2 other games im in.

[kuribo]

your grammar drives me nuts

[killa seven]

Thats all you have to say?

[kuribo]

Thats all you have to say?

I could start correcting your grammar for you, if you'd prefer?

[kuribo]

learn to type and stop being lazy, this isn't instant messenger.

[killa seven]

Any thought on the rice case?

[Riceballtail]

Rice is scum.. wagon hopping, lurker hunting with no scum hunting all game, poor logic (im beeing set up with the nk's the whole game)
Inquiring about NK's (classic sum tell, see tars scum tells)

VOTE RBT

I would like to hear everyone thoughts on rice and my case on him

I think it's an OMGUS because you know I've caught you red-handed scum.

[kuribo]

Any thought on the rice case?

Too little, too late. We shouldn't have to drag you kicking and screaming into playing with us.

[q21]

K7... I'm voting surye, you're next on the list.

Your case on RBT is just a repeat of what others have said over the last day or so. I don't particularly like RBT and the fact that he's pushing so hard for you to die, with no real reason is one of the reasons I haven't voted for you.

[Surye]

Any thought on the rice case?

Too little, too late. We shouldn't have to drag you kicking and screaming into playing with us.

FOS: Kuribo

This is scummy beyond belief. He's discarding a well laid out case only on the basis of his previous activity level, rather then on the basis of the argument.

And It's a case I happen to like,

Vote: Rice

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[kuribo]

Any thought on the rice case?

Too little, too late. We shouldn't have to drag you kicking and screaming into playing with us.

FOS: Kuribo

This is scummy beyond belief. He's discarding a well laid out case only on the basis of his previous activity level, rather then on the basis of the argument.

And It's a case I happen to like,

Vote: Rice

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No, I'm discarding it because he only posted it after we kept pushing him to do so. Therefore, it doesn't feel like he put any effort into it, nor is he actively scumhunting.

[Surye]

Any thought on the rice case?

Too little, too late. We shouldn't have to drag you kicking and screaming into playing with us.

FOS: Kuribo

This is scummy beyond belief. He's discarding a well laid out case only on the basis of his previous activity level, rather then on the basis of the argument.

And It's a case I happen to like,

Vote: Rice

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No, I'm discarding it because he only posted it after we kept pushing him to do so. Therefore, it doesn't feel like he put any effort into it, nor is he actively scumhunting.

And niether are proper reasons to discard a case. And I'm not sure why you said no, when you basically repeated exactly what I said you were doing.

[Riceballtail]

Any thought on the rice case?

Too little, too late. We shouldn't have to drag you kicking and screaming into playing with us.

FOS: Kuribo

This is scummy beyond belief. He's discarding a well laid out case only on the basis of his previous activity level, rather then on the basis of the argument.

And It's a case I happen to like,

Vote: Rice

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But do you really want to lynch your protective role?

[Surye]

Any thought on the rice case?

Too little, too late. We shouldn't have to drag you kicking and screaming into playing with us.

FOS: Kuribo

This is scummy beyond belief. He's discarding a well laid out case only on the basis of his previous activity level, rather then on the basis of the argument.

And It's a case I happen to like,

Vote: Rice

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But do you really want to lynch your protective role?

Wooo! Loaded questions are awesome. Do you still beat your wife?

[kuribo]

And niether are proper reasons to discard a case. And I'm not sure why you said no, when you basically repeated exactly what I said you were doing.

Of course it is. If I think K7 is scummy, then it's a great reason to discard a case--- because if he's scum, that case is false.

[Surye]

And niether are proper reasons to discard a case. And I'm not sure why you said no, when you basically repeated exactly what I said you were doing.

Of course it is. If I think K7 is scummy, then it's a great reason to discard a case--- because if he's scum, that case is false.

Nope! Scum can make great cases. Hell, I've won as scum using great cases (Mafia 78 - Meta Breaking Mafia 1). You should always take the case for case sake before discarding it for ancillary reasons.

[Surye]

The danger is not in considering the case on it's own merit, but assuming the one who made the case is town for building a solid case against scum. But that's a completely different subject.

[kuribo]

And niether are proper reasons to discard a case. And I'm not sure why you said no, when you basically repeated exactly what I said you were doing.

Of course it is. If I think K7 is scummy, then it's a great reason to discard a case--- because if he's scum, that case is false.

Nope! Scum can make great cases. Hell, I've won as scum using great cases (Mafia 78 - Meta Breaking Mafia 1). You should always take the case for case sake before discarding it for ancillary reasons.

Scum make cases for different reasons than town does: Town does it to lynch scum, scum does it to get town to lynch other town.

Therefore, if I am correct in thinking K7 is scum, it DOESN'T make his case against RBT a good one.

[Surye]

Don't be so narrow minded kuribo, scum are not so black and white, nor is any point in this game. Ever heard of bussing? Distancing? Scum can build a legit case against a fellow scum. (ex: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 00#1070500). You need to learn to think beyond the most basic strategies.

[kuribo]

Don't be so narrow minded kuribo, scum are not so black and white, nor is any point in this game. Ever heard of bussing? Distancing? Scum can build a legit case against a fellow scum. (ex: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 00#1070500). You need to learn to think beyond the most basic strategies.

Of course I've heard of those things. My point is that scum DO build legit cases against other scum, but for DIFFERENT REASONS.

I think K7 is scum. Therefore, I think his motive for posting this case against RBT is spurious. Hence, I am free to disregard it.

Further, I think he posted this case against RBT to give the appearance of playing the game after we've had to (as I've said) drag him kicking and screaming into a game of Mafia.

[Surye]

You're ignorant for ignoring a case. You should consider all cases based on it's logic and soundness, or all you get is WIFOM. You're free to disregard anything, but it still makes you a bad player.