New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

[kuribo]

imagine thinking that racism is only now an issue that's just popping up rather than being a Black person that has to live it every day of their lives, just like their fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers etc

[kuribo]

I feel like the people wanting to keep using the word "lynch" on MS have probably complained about the confederate flags / statues being taken a way


"But lynching is part of our heritage on mafiascum! If it makes Black folks uncomfortable then that's their problem because I don't wanna have to type a different word!"

[kuribo]

I don't like "eliminate" just because it makes me think of bowel movements but that's probably just my line of work talking

[kuribo]

It's one fucking word the admins have asked people not to use in flavor

It's so not even a big deal that it's sad anyone is that bothered by the change

You have an infinite number of ways for your towns to kill people off

You can burn them at the stake
Eat them
Run over them with a communal steamroller
Rocket them into space *
Bury them alive
Set them adrift on the sea
Exile them from town
Steal their souls
Throw them into meat grinders
Turn them into frogs
Grind them into paste
Summon the ghosts of their ancestors to kill them
Hurl them into a volcano
Laser them to death
Crush them with rocks
Send them back in time to caveman days
Force them to dance until they collapse
Starve them
Push them off a cliff
Drown them
Saw open their skulls and play with whatever's inside
Firing squad
Rocket launcher enema
Giant drill
The possibilities are endless!

* except this one this ones mine

[kuribo]

Hey, US people, go to bed and get some sleep.

can't I'm sitting behind the nurses station and I'm here till 7am

[kuribo]

Walk the plank?

Great now I wanna mod a pirate theme game


But do I do it before or after a Nightmare on Elm Street Mafia

[kuribo]

Pirates have nightmares

A Nightmare on the High Seas

[kuribo]

saying that the word Lynch isn't racist in and of itself, while still acknowledging the connotations its picked up over the past couple centuries

But there are a lot of idiots that will make the exact same argument about the n-word:

"The dictionary definition is an ignorant person! Therefore anyone can be one!" Yes but no one called white people that while they beat them in fields.

It's the connotation over the past couple centuries that requires sensitivity today.

[kuribo]

saying that the word Lynch isn't racist in and of itself, while still acknowledging the connotations its picked up over the past couple centuries

But there are a lot of idiots that will make the exact same argument about the n-word:

"The dictionary definition is an ignorant person! Therefore anyone can be one!" Yes but no one called white people that while they beat them in fields.

It's the connotation over the past couple centuries that requires sensitivity today.

Yes, and Nero literally acknowledged that connotation and accepted the change. So...

I don't reckon I've called Nero or anyone else racist in this thread, I'm explaining why the mindset of "oh the word itself isn't racist but..." is bad

[kuribo]

saying that the word Lynch isn't racist in and of itself, while still acknowledging the connotations its picked up over the past couple centuries

But there are a lot of idiots that will make the exact same argument about the n-word:

"The dictionary definition is an ignorant person! Therefore anyone can be one!" Yes but no one called white people that while they beat them in fields.

It's the connotation over the past couple centuries that requires sensitivity today.

Seriously? What dictionary is this where that word isn’t considered 100% racist?

It was more common than you'd think in the last twenty years. The original Noah Webster's defined it as that. By necessity, the following links contain the word in their articles, but they shed light on how widespread this "ignorant" definition was, and still is in some parts of America:

Hell, Ja Rule thought that was what the word meant until just last year:

https://www.essence.com/celebrity/confu ... he-n-word/

It is still the secondary definition on dictionary.com with a length disclaimer:

Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a contemptuous term used to refer to a person of any racial or ethnic origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.

A letter to the editor of an Iowa newspaper in 1997 calling the paper out for the alternative definition:

https://www.iowastatedaily.com/an-ignor ... ceb6d.html

The line about it originally meaning "an ignorant person of any color," though is revisionist history. We can see from this article at the African American Registry the history of the word and its hateful heritage:

https://aaregistry.org/story/[removed]-the ... f-history/

[kuribo]

As for a replacement word i feel it needs to emulate the meaning behind the word it is meant to reproduce as closely as possible.
Perhaps something like "Mobbing" would suffice? It would keep up the visual imagery of a herd mindset all ganging up to destroy the individual for perceived injustices enacted by the victim.
We could go further with the term by using it in intuitive ways such as: "John was mobbed because he was playing scummy."
"We should mob Clarence."
"Lara is M-2"

The word "Eliminate" as phrazed earlier doesn’t carry the same tone of seriousness and gives off the vibe that the entire thing is just an game show. (In which case the "dead thread" should really be called the: "losers club", "time-out chair" or something similar.

I was literally just thinking about that because I had considered the word mobbing myself.

I do think it's an easier site wide adjustment if it's another one syllable word

[kuribo]

Again, you can use whatever word you want except lynched/hanged.

Roped it is

I'm kidding obv

[kuribo]

Again, you can use whatever word you want except lynched/hanged.

death by snu snu

I once wrote flavor for a game where a player who replaced out had sex with a beehive and was replaced by a clone made of... stuff

[kuribo]

Eliminating is something my patients do when I put them on the toilet

I've had patients mob me too but it's a lot more rare

[kuribo]

I mean I'll probably just stick with murder in my generic flavor

"With five alive it takes three to murder"

But I'm looking at mobbed as more a generic term to replace my use of lynch as a player, not a mod. ie, "WHAT THE FUCK YOU THINK YOU DOING I HAVENT BEEN MISELIMINATED IN EIGHT YEARS" doesn't have the same ring as "COME TAKE A SHOT AT THE BELT PUNK, I AINT BEEN MISMOBBED SINCE 2012"

[kuribo]

E-1

MELO

ELO

boom done

[kuribo]

Exile is pretty sweet too. Town just grabs you and tosses you out at the county line

[kuribo]

The guillotine is a form of execution, and I'd prefer the term execution over guillotining.

We're not all French frogs like Menalque here. Typing the word "Guillotining" every time would be a total pain in the ass.

Beheading is a better verb for guillotine usage

[kuribo]

No one lynches people currently now adays.
LMAO.
This ain’t fuckin 1900’s or 1800’s.
This is 2000’s.

you're a douche.

https://wvva.com/2020/06/16/feds-to-rev ... e-country/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... g-suicide/

https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/ ... ville.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/ ... -one-them/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lynch ... oma-media/

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/article ... t-possible

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareh ... 5091e72d48



"lmao" murdering minorities is funny right? go fuck yourself.

[kuribo]

Creature, I'm asking this half-seriously:

Have you ever even met a Black person?

[kuribo]

I live in a country that almost half of the population identifies as brown/black. Pretty sure I met plenty and even am related to plenty.

so then, do you understand that helping Black folks feel welcome in this community is more important than keeping a word just because "it was always done that way?"

[kuribo]

I can't grasp why they wouldn't feel welcome just because of a word that isn't even used for racial reasons.

Then you obviously don't understand the Black experience as well as you think you do. I suggest you expand your circle of friends.

[kuribo]

I can't grasp why they wouldn't feel welcome just because of a word that isn't even used for racial reasons.

Then you obviously don't understand the Black experience as well as you think you do. I suggest you expand your circle of friends.

I could, but I'd still likely not find anyone with a problem over this word unless I searched inner specific circles.

So you want to not be considered racist but you're making the argument that it would be too much trouble to make Black friends, got it

[kuribo]

We have heard people who would prefer lynch remains. We are still making the change. If you have questions about what that change will look like, those are appropriate posts, please do so, I am watching the thread for those questions! Opining about not making the change or wanting the decision reversed, or some combination thereof, are not really appropriate at this point. We know a tiny number of people oppose this change. We have heard the feedback, we even anticipated hearing that kind of feedback, but we've made the decision anyway to remove lynch from our mafia vocabulary.

Can there still be exceptions if the theme kinda involves the term?

...WHAT THEME GAME ARE YOU THINKING OF RUNNING THAT REQUIRES THIS WORD???

Racist ones

I remember someone on this site trying to make a setup called N's and Vigs. I'll leave you to the imagination what word the N stands for

After the mod team told him to knock that shit off, he tried to call it "Civil Rights Mafia" but the game was never run to my knowledge

This would have been around 2012 or so

[kuribo]

I said don’t dwell on the past.

It's literally the present you illiterate clown

[kuribo]

Nevermind that I also linked an article discussing trans people being lynched too

[kuribo]

I'll tell you a story.

I used to use that gif of Ed Norton in American History X. Yeah, the one where he's curb stomping the Black dude. In my mind I didn't consider it racially offensive, because I knew my heart and to me it was just some edgelord shit. Then one day, and I remember vividly that it was a game GreyICE was modding, Revolution Mafia, I posted the gif as I had several times before. MattP, a person I deeply respect, called me out for it. And I mean he was furious. Let me tell you, I felt like shit for pissing off and hurting one of my favorite posters.I apologized sincerely, and do you know what I did then? I never fucking used it again because I understood how I had inadvertently hurt someone I respected.

It's not that Fucking hard to stop doing insensitive things. You just... don't do them. If you really and truly care about the people in your community, you make it a point to not be harmful to them. You grow as a person and you make their lives just that tiny bit more pleasant.

[kuribo]

Part of me thinks we should stop using scum too. I've had the same experience boon described but with that word too. I don't usually use it when talking about mafia with non mafia players

DGB has been pushing for YEARS to remove the word scum from the lexicon and actually modded a game where its use wasn't allowed


*shudders in Polite Mafia flashback*

[kuribo]

dont necessarily agree that people who obtusely refuse to accept they cant just will away social connotations to a word are racist.

I would argue that many of them are at least racially insensitive, there is a difference between insensitive and overt racism

Racially insensitive is it's own problem because it still hurts minorities but because people think they aren't overtly racist, they don't need to change course.