Ah, you're right. Makes more sense now.I only said that his actions were very anti-town.
What do you think of Indigo?
This is correct. There WAS no hammer vote. Grimmy was clearly lynched by deadline, not hammer. And the final, tie-breaking vote against Grimmy was cast by ML, not Freckles. And then everyone who was voting for neko switched to ML, but it wasn't enough to save Grimmy.Freckles wrote:This whole thing against me isn't true. Not in the least. First of all, my vote for Grimmy was not a hammer at all.
Also correct. I counted a few posts dealing with Freckles, including two contentless "no girls on teh interwebs" posts, a PBPA of neko that mentioned her,, and a scumlist that outlined his thoughts on everyone, including Freckles.Second, just because his first post is the only one you bothered to quote, does not mean it was the only one that dealt with me. Get your facts straight before you mount a campaign.
Well, this was a screw-up on my part. Freckles' vote was actually the first on Grimmy, and well before the deadline. I'd gotten events mixed up in my head and thought that his vote happened later on, and didn't go back to double check this.New Coldness wrote:This is correct. There WAS no hammer vote. Grimmy was clearly lynched by deadline, not hammer. And the final, tie-breaking vote against Grimmy was cast by ML, not Freckles. And then everyone who was voting for neko switched to ML, but it wasn't enough to save Grimmy.Freckles wrote:This whole thing against me isn't true. Not in the least. First of all, my vote for Grimmy was not a hammer at all.
Well, I reread Grimmy's posts just now and somehow I'd completely missed #45. While my point was exaggerated a bit, I think it still stands - Freckles's defense (that Grimmy was pushing the point of her L-2 vote) is weak. (While it's probable that I've missed another post) besides the post I quoted and #45, no other post directly attacks her or anything like that. The PBPA makes reference to Freckles, but not pushing any kind of case against her.New Coldness wrote:Also correct. I counted a few posts dealing with Freckles, including two contentless "no girls on teh interwebs" posts, a PBPA of neko that mentioned her,, and a scumlist that outlined his thoughts on everyone, including Freckles.Second, just because his first post is the only one you bothered to quote, does not mean it was the only one that dealt with me. Get your facts straight before you mount a campaign.
Baiting scum onto a wagon is a good way to bring them into the open. Nothing inherently wrong with that explanation IMO, and it doesn't seem like backpedaling to me. Frankly, rereading, I find Syzygy's very strong reaction scummy.I was also trying to see which of the scum would follow in my footsteps by adding votes to the vote count for Mamaluigi, bringing him closer (but not enough to actally do so) to lynch him.
I was thinking along those lines as well.Baiting scum onto a wagon is a good way to bring them into the open. Nothing inherently wrong with that explanation IMO, and it doesn't seem like backpedaling to me. Frankly, rereading, I find Syzygy's very strong reaction scummy.
Meh. I really don't know. I'm seeing him intentionally creating a very "easy" bandwagon (albeit with a weak case). I can see that as legitimate scumbaiting.neko2086 wrote:If he was trying to bait scum, then ok, there certainly wouldn't be anything wrong with that post. But look back at his posts and you can clearly see that that is not what he was trying to do. Look at posts 175 and 177. I guess it's possible that he had some sort of master plan, but it looks to me like he was clearly creating a case against ML, even defending his analysis of Kang's posts.
Are you trying to straw-man mispeled's argument? He's clearly not blaming you for syz's absence. His point is that you dropped the hammer, which endsAre you trying to tell me that it's my fault he failed to do so?!
Why wouldn't he? That's what this game is all about. This doesn't seem like a very pro-town reaction to me. I just don't know why town would say something like this when the game is on the line for them.Trying to make a case, are we?
First she says she suspects Mama, the most suspected person at the time, but waffles a lot on it and doesn't want to put a vote down. And as for the first paragraph: pot, meet kettle. This is scum trying to position themselves to hop on a bandwagon.Freckles wrote:I'm looking a little bit at Mama, who for posting as much as she is, really isn't saying a whole lot.
But, I'm not ready to vote yet, I will take another look at things when I'm not so tired.
Anyways, Day 1 continues and the terrible Grimmy lynch happens. Looking back it strikes me how little of a solid basis there was for the case. It seemed to revolve around him being defensive, because only scum defend themselves. Because of this I think this lynch was scum-driven. Freckles was the second vote for Grimmy, after neko2086. This tied Grimmy with the other lynch target at the time, who was neko (there's that cat again). This was of course, after public opinion had generally turned against Grimmy, although few people were laying down votes. She also provided no explanation with her vote. Lovely.Freckles wrote: I am clumsy, mispeled, you've got that right. I'm also a "she"
*points out that avatar is of self*
As for the OMGUS thing, I was under the impression it was, in fact, empty revenge.
All this, and I'm not one bit closer to knowing for whom to vote
Where to start? First off the first paragraph is both "omgimtown" and "Look at what I did as scum". And a cheap excuse for not contributing to boot. Then she points out that the people who lead the last mislynch might be scum, but that's too obvious so we should all give neko a breakneko2086 wrote:Kang being nightkilled gives us so little to work with. *shakes fist at scum* And all these replacements are so hard to keep up with
The whole Neko Vs Grimmy, and Grimmy being town looks bad for Neko, but it's too obvious, I think, so I don't think Neko is scum.
I remember thinking at one point that MamaLuigi seemed scummy, but now I can't remember exactly why (dammit!) A re-read is definitely in order.
In addition to any posts I can pull, Freckles has been lurking the whole game, either by just not posting much or by posting opinion-less fluff posts. This is very effective scum strategy because it makes it hard to produce evidence on you, and what you can get will often pale in comparison to a case on a more active player. I can also see a new player lurking while there more experienced partner is in the forefront (perhaps someone whose name rhymes with meko2086?)Freckles wrote: In my humble, but godlike opinion, baiting scum is risky, but if you know what you're doing (which I wouldn't) I don't see why it couldn't work out. The downside though, is that you then have to convince others that that's what you were doing, hence the risk factor.
As for believing him or not...I'm on the fence, leaning a bit towards not.
You weren't there, so it's very easy for you to say this. Also, it wasn't just about defensiveness. Did you miss the OMGUS? He didn't have any real opinions until I started suspecting him, then he brings a full-fledged case against me (and a really bad one at that). Please tell me, based on D1, whom you would have proposed to lynch, and what case you would have presented that would have been better than mine.terrible Grimmy lynch happens. Looking back it strikes me how little of a solid basis there was for the case. It seemed to revolve around him being defensive, because only scum defend themselves.
It's just a little over the top, but, I'm not going to read into it too much right now.(perhaps someone whose name rhymes with meko2086?)
Where have I misquoted you?neko2086 wrote:Don't misquote me plz, thx.
Well, he presented a case behind it so I wouldn't really call it OMGUS. I probably would have gone for Freckles or MamaLuigi on Day 1, the first for reasons I've laid out and the second for transparently anti-town play.neko2086 wrote:You weren't there, so it's very easy for you to say this. Also, it wasn't just about defensiveness. Did you miss the OMGUS? He didn't have any real opinions until I started suspecting him, then he brings a full-fledged case against me (and a really bad one at that). Please tell me, based on D1, whom you would have proposed to lynch, and what case you would have presented that would have been better than mine.
I was trying to be humorous.neko2086 wrote:The tone of your post troubles me a bit, especially when you get toIt's just a little over the top, but, I'm not going to read into it too much right now.(perhaps someone whose name rhymes with meko2086?)