Mini 619 - Ramen Mafia (Over!)

[strife220]

Believe him or not, it's not worth it to lynch him. Town has a lot to gain by having him alive if he's cop, and little to lose (at this stage of the game) if he's lying. It's not like we're in lylo or under immediate pressure.


I was going to say the wagon grew exceptionally fast on WK, but checking the votes it seems he was L-3. A little bit premature, but not much to say about it now.

[charter]

Way too premature for a claim, I don't like how he gives up and claims cop when theres just a small hint of him getting lynched. The real cop would not want to give themselves up that easy. That said, I don't buy it, but it's definately not worth the chance that he's lying to lynch him anyway. So

unvote

Botch Windkirby...

Food, how come you didn't unvote him?

[sthar8]

I have more to post later, but these issues are important to have out now.

Food: doc might protect him, I think.

I agree with strife, and I'd like to point out that barring sanity issues, the information we gain from WK is verifiable, therefore so is his claim (mostly).

I'm not even sure a counterclaim would be required at this point, if we have someone else would.

[strife220]

If there is another cop (or a 'real' cop and WK's lying) now is definitely not the time to claim.

The only person who changed votes while you could possibly have been posting was BB. He changed his vote to WK, not charter, like you are trying to make others believe.

You're right, I screwed up my vote count. BB switched from Darla to WK, not Darla to you.

[windkirby]

I got four votes in one page, it seemed as if my bandwagon was growing very rapidly. I suppose I could have waited until racking up a few more votes, but with a deadline so soon, what good would it have done besides wasting precious time? I really doubt that my bandwagon would have fallen aside to another.

[windkirby]

I was also very, very suspicious of food's reaction to my claim. I wanted to point it out since I'll probably die soon.

[melikefood]

Unvote.

[melikefood]

I'm forgetful.
I'm aware we're not supposed to lynch him.

Are we sure there's a Doc?

[Muerrto]

Unvote

You always unvote a claimed uncountered cop in a non-LYLO situation. ALWAYS!!!

Not sure if I wanna fall back on Kiwi or Food for the posts without the unvote. He kind of tested the waters to see if people wanted to lynch WK anyway, then when he found out the answer was no, he unvoted.

Kiwi, if you're town, use this as a lesson. What Oman did was bring a weak case on me to see who bit into it. It's not scummy it's called a gambit. Your wagon gained force so fast because you fell into it. Don't. Don't let someone else's case influence your decision, make your own.

[strife220]

What Oman did was bring a weak case on me to see who bit into it. It's not scummy it's called a gambit. Your wagon gained force so fast because you fell into it. Don't. Don't let someone else's case influence your decision, make your own.

Still disagree here. Definitely not comfortable with the gambit.


Kiwi fell for it? Around Oman's crappy attack, you were attacking Kiwi. All I see is him trying to defend himself from your attacks, he didn't OMGUS and he didn't say anything to agree with Oman.

In fact, the whole scenario confuses me a bit. Re-reading, here are how I see what happened:

Oman attacks Muerrto for a crappy reason
Muerrto says 'that's a really crappy reason'
banter back and forth
Muerrto asks Oman "from experience, what do you think of Kiwi"
Oman says "nah, wagon grew too fast for it to be a scum wagon"

The part missing from this conversation is Kiwi doing something explicitly scummy that played into Oman's gambit. Even so, Oman's "wagon grew too fast to be a scum wagon" doesn't fit in.


Muerrto and/or Oman, clarify here please?

Tags fixed -Mod

[strife220]

I fail at quote tags lately

Mod

, please but the end bracket on the quote above.

[Muerrto]

WK fell for it and attacked Oman. I was addressing WK.

[Muerrto]

LMAO i said Kiwi, sorry, meant WK obviously. Saying why his wagon formed so fast.

[Beyond_Birthday]

Okay, so Windkirby is a stupid lynch unless we believe he is lying. And I think that Charter is next on my list.
But for right now,

Unvote

[Oman]

Unvote

You always unvote a claimed uncountered cop in a non-LYLO situation. ALWAYS!!!

Like you never lynch a claimed doc


Anyway...

Unvote

I have a real beef with melikefood's actions here, it seems panicy and really asking for what the town thinks.

Few reasons I am NOT crossing WK off my list:
Early Claim
Scummy play so far
etc.

WK will give results in his FIRST POST of every day.

Now this has the mafia threatened, they know he's out there, but could get him lynched later. This could be fun .

Re: the next one: I think its charter or kiwi.

[melikefood]

Is it a good idea to we make recommendations to the claimed cop?
I'd say whomever is second in votes...

I have a real

beef

with melikefood's actions here, it seems panicy and really asking for what the town thinks.

Pun intended?
Sorry if I came off that way to you. I'm not experienced with claims.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

Is it a good idea to we make recommendations to the claimed cop?
I'd say whomever is second in votes...

I have a real

beef

with melikefood's actions here, it seems panicy and really asking for what the town thinks.

Pun intended?
Sorry if I came off that way to you. I'm not experienced with claims.

We're not really 'giving advice' but if you are pro-town then yes, it is a good idea because there's just as high of a chance of him BEING the cop as there is for him not to, so to lynch him or let him hang himself so to speak, would not be in the best interest of the town.

You're play is very safe to me food, often asking the town what they think, versus saying what you think, or looking for confirmation on you're feelings.

I get if you are new, really I do, but you need to step it up and play more rather than ride the coat tails of the others.

@ Oman is that a breadcrumb? :p

[DarlaBlueEyes]

EBWOP; still happy with my vote on Kiwi.

[sthar8]

First off, Food, let cops make their own choices, that way scum don't get a night phase to plan a bussing strategy. Also, I'd really like to see some suspicions from you, since WK wagoning was the only "scumhunting" you've done.

Windkirby: I support Oman's ultimatum 1000%. I want your first post of each day to include who you investigated,

why

, and the result. If you do not, I may be forced to melt your brain with my mind. I also would like to point out that it may become game breaking to kill you at some point in order to confirm some number of innocents.

Charter is still my number one suspect. His first two attacks were garbage, and he spent a long time doing nothing. His recent posts started off by attacking strife's suspicions of him on points of diction. He also seems to respond to strife's "there were some poorly reasoned votes on that wagon" with "Every vote on that wagon was poorly reasoned. How is that scummy?" which isn't really a defense. He then bites at Oman's gambit-bait, though not with any real conviction. Next, charter attacks BB on an "inconsistancy" in BB's post, but on further examination I think it fairly clear that the expressed opinions are not inconsistant. I find charter's assertion that strife intentionally botched his unofficial votecounts to be a big stretch, since I don't see anything for strife to gain by doing so, regardless of alignment. Once it was clear that Windkirby was going to have at least a few votes, charter was quick to hop on the bandwagon with a couple of additional points of evidence for the arguments Oman had already presented in his defense. Charter has not yet responded to my initial posted suspicions of him, other than to adjust his posting style away from what I noted as suspicious.

In short, I feel that charter has been fishing for an easy bandwagon all day, and his defenses against points against him have been incomplete, missing, or flawed.

Darla: "beef" "food" "breadcrumb" and an avatar that says "Yum" all in the same post
Also thats pretty clearly a nameclaim. Oman is def. "Beef Ramen- bulletproof serial killer"

My suspect list now starts with charter, Kiwi, Food, Liam, in that order.

[Oman]

hehehe, nah sorry. I say "beef" in other games. In Aus beef is a slang term that I use.

Or maybe it is a breadcrumb...duh duh duh.

Might I also say that if you do believe its a breadcrumb, why would you point to it several times.

Don't be chicken, you noodle (HAHAHA!)

here it says "Beef" Slang for the term "fight" in Aus beef can mean problem or issue.

If it is a breadcrumb, do people think that is a towntell, scumtell, or nulltell.

[sthar8]

I, at least, was joking. Beef is also used in that context where I live.

[melikefood]

I thought it was a pun.

Anyway, I agree I have been too much of a leech. (Lol more leeching)

I'm finding that Kiwi hasn't responded to WK's claim.
Pretty sure it means little to nothing. What's his time zone?

[Oman]

I've said it twice now, and both times its stood out because of its relevance to the game.

The Creamy Chicken was a pun earlier.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

hehehe, nah sorry. I say "beef" in other games. In Aus beef is a slang term that I use.

Or maybe it is a breadcrumb...duh duh duh.

Might I also say that if you do believe its a breadcrumb, why would you point to it several times.

Don't be chicken, you noodle (HAHAHA!)

here it says "Beef" Slang for the term "fight" in Aus beef can mean problem or issue.

If it is a breadcrumb, do people think that is a towntell, scumtell, or nulltell.

Its a I wanna screwwitheveryoneandlolaboutit tell!!

In all seriousness I don't think there's any way to gauge scumminess of a role by the flavor. Its too random to say that OMG BEEF = SCUM!

cos wheres the proof in that?

[windkirby]

I will absolutely give my results first thing each day (as well as my reason for choosing that person), but one thing I'm wondering about is whether I should investigate people who I am suspicious of or people who the town is generally suspicious of. I'm guessing the latter, but if I happen to clear someone the town was suspicious of, it might make things difficult, and, as sthar said, make people want to lynch me to confirm my investigations. I'm fine with this, but I'd like to know what sort of thing I should be aiming for when choosing my investigated. If you'd rather not give me any direction at all so that scum cannot predict who I will investigate, this is fine, also.
Finally, I was wondering if we ought to make any sort of policy about my protection. This way if I die overnight, we would know that anyone claiming to be doc would be lying, although I suppose roleblockers and other unusualties might get thrown into the mix. I understand you probably don't want to invest much into my claim, but I'd hate to see my power go to waste (though granted, much is due to my dumb play). You guys' call.