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Vote aioqwe
Bad logic, attempt the quickly, full of fail.
Muerrto, you got unlucky there, but that doctor play was SOOOOO obviously town there was no way you were going to convince me after that
Not really, it was all about the logic of scum falseclaiming trying to convince ME.strife220 wrote:You got your ass wifom'd to death, it soundsMuerrto wrote:I know that's what I mean, who doesn't protect the cop?! What were the chances? lol oh well
I'm opposed to policies with no felxibility or easy scum control with little town benefit.sthar8 wrote:Oman: Are you opposed to setting policies in general or to this one specifically? I ask because I couldn't think of a way for scum to abuse this more than the current deadline rules. I agree that a genuine concensus lynch is better, and I think it's more likely given the activity so far. I just thought it might be nice to guarantee at least a little information gain should the worst occur.
No, my name is not Creamy Chicken Ramen, it was a joke regarding me being chicken and chicken being a flavour.Sthar8 wrote:Also, was that a name claim?
Basically: Chicken = someone frightened. Creamy Chicken = Ramen flavour.kiwi wrote:Oman, I don't get the joke tho >.<
ORLY!?!kiwi wrote:Oman, interesting quotes =)
My 2nd wagon. Wagon no 2aioqwe wrote:I'm not exactly sure I understand this. Your unvote/vote puts me in the number 1 spot, so I'm not number 2? If you think I'm your number 2 suspicion, why not vote your number 1? Or do you mean something else?Oman wrote:Kiwi has my suspicion for the same reason as was already mentioned, and he is the best spot for number 2Unvote vote Aiquowe
For those who want to know:aioqwe wrote:Wicked OP, I don't get it tho.... >.< (hah, filler XD)
Something LoudmouthLee taught me: Where is the scum benefit in something so easily checkable? How does it help his scumteam. Even if I am his scumpartner, that is hardly going to be used as a cornerstone for my lynch, so there is no benfit to hide it.Muerrto wrote:Food saying Darla was the first to mention dice when Oman was is fishy. Not sure what it means exactly but weird no one got any suspiscion of Oman out of that, just food. Why did food omit him?
Many? And any tells?Muerrto wrote:Strife is obv town in pretty much any game I've been with him and so far he's always been town.
Best. Post. So. Far.Liam wrote: This post sticks out to me right now. It looks like you want the game to get moving, but don't actually want to make any concrete statements. Cagey much?
Interesting or scummy?Muerrto wrote:Shrug, scum sometimes slip up. I just thought it was interesting he omitted you. Now granted, in my last game newbie town did that same thing, but excusing it because of that is ridiculous. He hasn't really given a reason for it yet either.
Food?
Firstly: So not their top priority. Scumhunting > Looking town.Muerrto wrote:So you think when a townie makes a slip and diverts attention onto them instead of at the scum, that's ok?Oman wrote:I disagree that townies have to be more careful about what they type...scum so have soemthing to hide.
Townies also have to pay attention to what they say otherwise they derail the real scumhunting.
Lets observe those reasons...go on, take a look. They're terrible reasons.Strife wrote:Aiowqe's bandwagon had a reason for it
Yeah, cause we're buddies. We've played a lot together, and he's a good bloke.Strife wrote: Muerrto's right about Oman's awkward playing here, yet by the end of the conversation they seem to be buddied up
Strife wrote:If either of you are townies I suggest you stop the encoded messages immediately.
Yep, I want reasons for both. at 7 pages you should have more than 'Vibes"windkirby wrote:Reread the thread.
unvote, vote: sthart8
Primarily vibes, although Oman is becoming a close second in that category. If anyone has questions about either of these vibes, I can probably scrounge up the posts that did it.
The "communication" between Oman and Muerrto, I find, is minor at best, however, although now that it has been mentioned, I've made a note to keep an eye on them. At the level it's at now, though, I don't find it very suspicious.
No. Its irrelevant to the game.strife wrote:ow are we supposed to know that what you're doing is pro-town?
Windkirby, I love you dearly, please don't take this badly but:Strife wrote: Case in point. If you and windkirby are both town, you've struck him with paranoia and distracted him from trying to find scum.
My biggest problem with WIFOM is that everyone misuses it. WIFOM only applies when there is an equal benefit. Basically, there is greater benefit to me and muerrto staying hidden as scumbuddies and only makjing cursory attacks on eachother than there is in us buddying up to project a townie look (through WIFOM anyway).strife wrote: WIFOM much?
Good thing it wasn't Anti-town.Strife wrote: "I always do it" is not an excuse to do anti-town things.
I disliked them, I thought they were pointless.charter wrote: He unvotes kiwi saying there is nothing on him, when there are quite a few people who have givin valid reasons to suspect him as scum.
No, actually. It was a throwaway vote. Had no real plan in mind this time.charter wrote:Muerrto questions Oman about this, but Oman ignores it, so Oman care to elaborate on your vote for Muerrto?
Yeah, sure, think I just missed them though. Note though, that the following post was not "fluff" nor was most of it in response or to "counter" strife.charter wrote:Oman, will you go back and answer the questions to you that you ignored from before?
Strife wrote:"Sort of" being, what about Food's bandwagon? Page 2, 4 votes from using dice to random vote? If you think townie-wagons grow faster than scum-wagons, you must think it's because there is scum on them. Why haven't you invested much interested into the members of said wagon?
Yeah...I was going to try it again. Which is why I didn't tell them I was doing itMuerrto wrote:Lesson 1 for new people: Don't worry that someone puts ONE vote on you. Had I left Oman alone his gambit to see who would leap onto me for his poor reasons may have caught someone. As it is, I think I killed it.
I misunderstood. I might re-read and give you a straight answer.Muerrto wrote: I was basically asking if Oman thought Kiwi was legit about his.
Nah, next time I'll be scum just trying to get you lynchedMuerrto wrote: Yeah, I totally fragged that up. Oh well, next time I'll assume you're doing a gambit instead of assuming you forgot the difference between Strawman and WIFOM. I was like 'You're acting weird' and you were like 'No $hit' lol that's when I got the hint.
Flop, as per. Usually gambits give me something to run with, they're never conclusive. I personally think that this one failed cause I tried it on someone expeirenced, which I did because doing it on newbies usually results in the newbie flipping out and getting lynched.Clockwork wrote:Oman, did you find anything from your gambit or was it a flop?
Yes I am. I don't believe that time and posts teach you. I believe its completed games, the ability to review them and see what you did wrong.strife wrote:Windkirby has been on this site for over 4 months and has made almost 400 posts. Kiwi has been on this site for a year and has made over 700 posts. You're offering them a newbie defense?
1. You're too wrapped in me being scum right now, I suggest you take a step back and review.Strife wrote: It sounds like a good tactic for Oman to use if he's scum. i.e. you saw him do this as town last game, so if he does it this game, you'll think he's town again.
Prolly cause I wouldn't try to play Muerrto. Charter might be my first choice at trying to trip up. Clockwork hasn't been posting enough to be a threat, you're resisting to much, etc. I certainly wouldn't try to gambit Muertto so early, if he tripped me up I'm gone! If he didn't, what, I get one guy on my side who I could probably reason to my side anyway (based on his interaction with me so far).Muerrto wrote: You sound awfully confident that you aren't getting played.
Entirely correct, good sir. Great detective work! That also lets me do this:sthar8 wrote:Oman: for the record, when you mentioned LoudmouthLee, I did some searching. I thought you might be referring to this game where you came under fire for behavior similar to Kiwi's. For those who don't feel like reading the first few pages, neither Oman nor his accusers were scum. The real scum just stood back and watched while the townies ripped into each other, which is what I thought Oman was warning against.
That is actually a pretty good example of my scum play. I did a lot of things I do as town there too, so watch out.sthar8 wrote:If you want to see an example of Oman as scum, I would suggest the prequel to this game. Oman was a bulletproof serial killer who survived to the endgame and almost won.
Go for gold, my attacking charter would have little benefit. All it would do is alienate charter more and cause him to go hammer-and-tongs after me, which is the same reason I'm not going full out on strife and telling him where he is really wrong, just touching the big issues.sthar8 wrote:I'll give Oman a chance to respond before saying anything more, to avoid doing his work for him.
Actually, if you read my post again (and I want you to take that seriously, not sarcastically, or maliciously) I wasn't against the idea of lynch over no-lynch. I was against the idea of policies. I personally think that suprise slips scum up more than anything and letting them know what you'll do ruins things and gives them a chance to subvert it. (I.e. "Cop investigate X tonight.")windkirby wrote:I didn't like his denial of sthar8's plan. He says it makes it too easy for scum to control the town, but honestly, this would be ridiculously transparent. Would a no-lynch honestly be better?
Someone asked about it:windkirby wrote:definitely made some alarms go off, mostly for the completely derailing conversation, as well asOman wrote:PEGBAM explaination
and the same with mentioning:Strife wrote:Anybody wanna give me the TLDR version of that opening post? I wasn't in PEGBAM, and I got confused/bored after the first few sentences (sorry flameaxe!). Not sure if there's anything useful or if it's all just flavor.
melikefood wrote: I'm sorry about my quietness.
I just got FFTA2 and I'm playing non-stop. But I doubt anybody here is interested in that.
If you are, I'd recommend it.. I'm playing it right now...
So, what next?
windkirby wrote:Alright, people are going to absolutely murder me for this, but when I read through sthar's posts, they were not quite as bad as I had recalled
Aren't most newbies?Muerrto wrote:You don't see that as simply wishy washy?Oman wrote:To anyone who says "well why are you defending against Windkirby after everything you said?" Its becasue Windkirby seems quite reasonable and open to change and fluidity shown by:windkirby wrote:Alright, people are going to absolutely murder me for this, but when I read through sthar's posts, they were not quite as bad as I had recalled
Like you never lynch a claimed docMuerrto wrote:Unvote
You always unvote a claimed uncountered cop in a non-LYLO situation. ALWAYS!!!
I don't actually notice them.charter wrote:@Oman, going to answer any of the questions that multiple people here have asked you? You keep ignoring them, and the requests to answer them...
AWWWW i really don't want to talk about this cause it means rereading!clockwork wrote:@Oman, going to answer any of the questions that multiple people here have asked you? You keep ignoring them, and the requests to answer them...
You totally used the right word there: seemingly.strife wrote:Is he always this seemingly useless? I would have thought someone who posts on this site 12 times a day to be a little more helpful as town.
Sorry I missed this post cause it was at the end of a huge hit.charter wrote:I'm an idiot. It is in there, but so Oman can see it again.
Oman responds saying he needs to do a reread on me, I haven't really stood out. Now he's flip flopped magically (I assume he didn't do the reread based on how lazy he wants us to think he is with his last post, and he never posted thoughts on me) and voted for me.sthar8 261 wrote:Oman, what are your thoughts on charter?
Sorry for my posting binge.
There was more value in leting charter live than letting kiwi live. If Kiwi was scum he would not give away a partner, charterscum will.strife220 wrote:I'm confused. Charter and Kiwi both have a few votes on them. Why would you jump off one wagon to the other if you think Charter's more likely scum?Oman wrote:Unvote Vote KiwiSimulposted.
This guy is somehow avoiding a modkill, so lets give him a townkill.
NO, I don't buy it, no, I don't think he is more likely to be scum than charter, BUT I feel his has an above average chance of being scum i.e chance > random. So he's optimal if charterwagon don't fly.
ANYONE no, but people who you find suspicious sure. I think charter is doing the latter, but thats hardly hard for scum to pull off.charter wrote:Well, since I know I'm town, and there's others that have acted scummy, it kind of makes sense, doesnt it?sthar8 wrote:In other news, charter continues to appear scummy with his desperate attempts to get anyone lynched but himself.