Also, remember that this game is nightless, and that scum get a kill every 250 non-mod posts.
Now for your daily votecount!
distancing himself from the wagon and yet he still votes us. if you feel as if it was poor communication then why vote us?maxwellhouse wrote:i'm not entirely sure about nowajdodge. the random pop-in to say "hi i vote green cow"? what was that? i suppose it could be a random slip up of not reading the rules, but i kinda feel like it was a slip up of poor communication, as in the hydras talked but did not clear up everything of their vote.
what possible difference was there between the two posts that made you decide his was definitely a slip up? you defend him by saying that he hasn't responded yet because he is planning to make a big post. first of all, that is assuming a lot, because how could you know what he is planning on doing? also, TrojH as NAJ posted a contentful post that cleared things up after the original first post by NAJ. by your logic, we should not jump on NAJ yet.maxwellhouse wrote:killa seven, i think that was a slip up. based on what he said, he seemed very "normal" mafia lynching. the reason he hasn't responded with he reasons could be his making up for the short post. so i don't think we should jump on killa seven just yet.
would you have posted if not prodded?maxwellhouse wrote:first off, i came to post only because i was prodded and don't want to be eliminated because of that.
didn't you already see our second and third post?maxwellhouse wrote:second, i voted because i didn't want to waste a post by not voting, and i thought voting would make NAJD respond and defend themselves. i guess that was some faulty decision-making on my part, sorry about that.
why are you so suddenly unvoting now? what has changed your mind about NAJ? would you have unvoted if people hadn't pointed out that you were being hypocritical in your vote?maxwellhouse wrote:honestly, i am a bit baffled at who to vote for. but now that i'm reading stuff, i am hesitant to go through with the voting. maybe i am easily swayed but...
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at this point in the game, this is pretty much a crap reason for a vote on icemuffin. we gained tons of information due to that quick bandwagon on NAJ. i think you were just placing a blatant bandwagon vote for crap reasons, you got caught, and now you are trying to pull back your vote and keep the spotlight off for a whilemaxwellhouse wrote:though now that i am reviewing, the icemuffin seems to be contributing not so much besides the writing down the ideas in a word document. both people seem to be filling up more posts than necessary. the first post did not really have much "meat" to it and the second two... couldn't you have asked the question AND had the analysis in the same post? it would take up less posts.
vote: icemuffin
NAJ-jathan wrote:Ting is voting us for absolutely no reason.
You should have known better than to make a short post like that. I understand that you're made up of more than 1 player, but look at it from the outside - you just did something scummy and then went, 'but I didn't do it!'ting's 1st post wrote:I'm going to be annoyed by people who make short-ish posts and will move to get them lynched. Every post just bumps the mafia kill.
----NAJ wrote:Also Do The Mafia Get To Kill During Nights Between Each Lynch?[/qutoe]mod wrote:Also, remember that this game is nightless, and that scum get a kill every 250 non-mod posts.
This made me see something which nobody seems to have spotted in my original numbers - the 5 day maximum assumption is wrong.Fun fact: If we always wait until hitting the 3-day-modkill deadline before posting, we can actually have 12+ lynches before the mafia even have an nk. That's the furthest end of the ratio. Does anyone have software they could use to graph out all the deadlines and stuff to find the best balance between information:nk? I'm too lazy to do it on paper. We could seriously screw the mafia over if we knew.
i voted for you because i thought one of you could have came up with an idea of who to vote for and instead of further communicating, one of you voted. again, i probably shouldn't have said that because now i look "guilty" but would you rather i just say i was posting just so i wouldn't be modkilled?distancing himself from the wagon and yet he still votes us. if you feel as if it was poor communication then why vote us?
the difference i saw was that whoever posted in yours said nothing but "hi vote: so and so" and the other person was like "hahaha i vote randomly for this person because of this". the first seemed more like a serious vote, the second seemed more of a normal mafia vote (randomly voting and giving a funny/stupid reason for it). the first didn't have that, so i thought maybe it might have been poor communication.what possible difference was there between the two posts that made you decide his was definitely a slip up? you defend him by saying that he hasn't responded yet because he is planning to make a big post. first of all, that is assuming a lot, because how could you know what he is planning on doing? also, TrojH as NAJ posted a contentful post that cleared things up after the original first post by NAJ. by your logic, we should not jump on NAJ yet.
ok, for one thing, the third post came AFTER my post. so no, i didn't see your third post. yes, i did see the second post and i wanted to know more of what you guys would have to say. i'm sorry i couldn't read the future.didn't you already see our second and third post?
duh, i read your third post and every post in between, all of the people saying how we should get off the NAJD bandwagon. so i did. did you want me to stay on that vote? would that make me less scum?why are you so suddenly unvoting now? what has changed your mind about NAJ? would you have unvoted if people hadn't pointed out that you were being hypocritical in your vote?
no, not at all. i read deeper into icemuffin's posts and i saw that they were posting more "fluff" than anything. why would i vote for someone randomly to take the spotlight off of me? that's completely stupid, as NO one else has voted for him so far. that would put MORE spotlight on me, not less. which is shown now as everyone is like "maxwell is guilty because she voted for someone randomly kill herrrrr". so yeah.at this point in the game, this is pretty much a crap reason for a vote on icemuffin. we gained tons of information due to that quick bandwagon on NAJ. i think you were just placing a blatant bandwagon vote for crap reasons, you got caught, and now you are trying to pull back your vote and keep the spotlight off for a while
I disagree. They're harder to read because you can't get a meta on them. One head might look really scummy, and another might be the most protown contributor in the game. Just because a person drops a lot of tells doesn't make them scum. A number of people have built their playstyles around that as a meta shield.icemuffin wrote:From my point of view, a hydra with tons of heads is going to be easier to read than a single player. You'll have multiple players leaving tells if they're scum, and multiple players contributing analysis if they are town.
NO. There's something about the game mechanics you're not getting, but I can't tell youicemuffin wrote:My view on scum posting rates is that they'll probably post a lot early in the game, to accelerate us towards the 250 post mark, but slow down significantly around 50 posts or so to avoid the 100 post instant kill.This makes lurking in the late game a more significant tell and definitely something to watch for.
My conclusion was that if we want the scum to only have 1 nk(this will give us 9 lynches to their sole nk) - we should post about once per day. Twice per day gives them 2 nks, but with 8 lynches and more information, I think that's also a decent trade off.strife putting in words what I was trying to show but perhaps muddled with all the numbers. wrote:Given that the game is nightless, and scum Only get to kill every 10 pages, I will restate the importance of not posting very often. The less town talks here, the better. I'd go as far as saying that it's a better idea to talk less and lynch based on less information than it is to talk more and have better informed lynches. Theoretically, if we could get 10 lynches (max #) before page 10, then town would almost be guaranteed a win. Unfortunately, as broken as it is, that's the ideal play here. If scum only get 1 or 2 lynches, town is at a Huge advantage. Scum win only if town spends too much time talking.
Fair enough. After seeing how the game is turning out so far with the current rate of posting, perhaps 1 per day gives us enough info after all. I think two posts per game day is stretching into lurky though.strife wrote:You can't say anything in 2 posts a day that you can't say in 1 post a day. Hell, I don't have a problem with people posting once every 2.5 days (twice per game day), so long as that post has a lot of content.
I'm not sure whether that's a scummy meta or just a lazy meta. Either way it's horribly anti-town.K7 wrote:i random voted because anyone who knows me knows i most likely wont make it to 100 posts anyways.
I forgot how strange the setup is - i.e., there's no twilight or night phase. If he'd been lynched I was going to save my analysis for the next day, but it doesn't work that way.Lawrence wrote:I only wonder why he didn't show his thoughts when he thought NaJ was lynched.
I agree on this - it's an appeal to emotion, and it doesn't work for me.Lawrence wrote:maxwellhouse: (s?)he bothers me. Her behaviour is very newbish, she says things like "well you can lynch me for what I did but you'll regret it" and she said somthing like "shall I just post nothing then?" like 3 times.
That's a good point. The most interesting part of it will be to see how the heads interact with each other, I think.Ting wrote:One head might look really scummy, and another might be the most protown contributor in the game. Just because a person drops a lot of tells doesn't make them scum. A number of people have built their playstyles around that as a meta shield.
I believe that for sure. Don't tell me, I'll figure it out, this setup is just entirely different than any other I've played.NO. There's something about the game mechanics you're not getting, but I can't tell you why, because then it'll be a Cassandra prophecy.
ok...did you read our actual defense other than those postsLawrencelot wrote:Now a JDodge: I find him pretty scummy. Their first post is something I won't forget, and they need to find the person who made it, or they should get lynched. "I didn't do it" is not a good defense. "everyone who attacked us uses bullshit reasoning" is not a good defense. "maxwell is obvious scum" is not a good defense. If maxwell isn't scum, this one is the best candidate.
why?Lawrencelot wrote:Green Cow: If NaJ is scum, he's a good candidate for being the scumbuddy.
saying things like this won't change anyone's view on youmaxwellhouse wrote:actually, i am not scum at all. you guys can lynch me all you want... you'll just be sorry about it afterward because i am 100% innocent.
there was plenty of content so far in the game, and lots of things for you to analayze. especially the huge bandwagon on us, which you did the scummiest thing in that situation and voted for us with crap reasons. if you had nothing to contribute, then why did you feel you had to vote us if you wouldn't have otherwise?maxwellhouse wrote:i would NOT have posted if i had not been prodded, because i really don't think i have anything to contribute. however, i don't want to be modkilled because of that, so i posted what i saw. would you rather i have said "hi, i'm here to post because i was prodded." and end it there? i will do that next time if you would like.
"guys, don't lynch me! i'm just being a townie."maxwellhouse wrote:granted, i'm not contributing much except being a townie.
no i would rather you have posted something with content and not be modkilled. however, the case right now seems like you couldn't think of what to post and didn't want to be modkilled, so you just jumped on the easiest wagonmaxwellhouse wrote:i voted for you because i thought one of you could have came up with an idea of who to vote for and instead of further communicating, one of you voted. again, i probably shouldn't have said that because now i look "guilty" but would you rather i just say i was posting just so i wouldn't be modkilled?
it was indeed a result of poor communication which is exactly our point. we don't know what reasons whoever posted that had for voting green cow, so in my mind, i saw it as a random vote as well.maxwellhouse wrote:the difference i saw was that whoever posted in yours said nothing but "hi vote: so and so" and the other person was like "hahaha i vote randomly for this person because of this". the first seemed more like a serious vote, the second seemed more of a normal mafia vote (randomly voting and giving a funny/stupid reason for it). the first didn't have that, so i thought maybe it might have been poor communication.
well what did you think about our second post? was your vote a pressure vote to get us to say more? if that is the case, then (i think) you had put as at L-1/L-2 which is no longer a pressure vote, and more of a "i want to lynch you" vote.maxwellhouse wrote:yes, i did see the second post and i wanted to know more of what you guys would have to say.
so you are just mindlessly following the crowd now?!?! form your own opinions! first you voted us because everyone else was. then, you unvoted because everyone else was! how are people not seeing this?maxwellhouse wrote:duh, i read your third post and every post in between, all of the people saying how we should get off the NAJD bandwagon. so i did. did you want me to stay on that vote? would that make me less scum?
please try to contribute. there is lots of information out right now due to the various wagons, etc. that should be enough to form your thoughts on something.maxwellhouse wrote:ok, i will stop voting and contributing if you guys like. i have a hard time bring ideas to the table so obviously i should just post fluff and not vote because that is better that for a townie to live.
k7, you need to contribute more than this if you expect to survive.killa seven wrote:i random voted because anyone who knows me knows i most likely wont make it to 100 posts anyways.
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I love your reasoning for this. Mind elaborating?Lawrencelot wrote:Green Cow: If NaJ is scum, he's a good candidate for being the scumbuddy.
What?Natirasha wrote:ting-His posts have been nearly nothing but a useless string of numbers and equations and are there to just distract the town and add to the post count
Yes, you do.Natirasha wrote:maxwellhouse-Need I explain..?
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You shouldstrife220 wrote:Given that the game is nightless, and scum Only get to kill every 10 pages, I will restate the importance of not posting very often. The less town talks here, the better. I'd go as far as saying that it's a better idea to talk less and lynch based on less information than it is to talk more and have better informed lynches.
This is even worse than NAJ's and k7's first posts. If you're going to post in this game, at least bring something game-related. This post does nothing to drive the game forward at all and only helps scum.ShadowGirl wrote:I apologize for not posting - my phone and internet went out for some inexplicable reason and it took a few days before a repairmen came to fix it - a reread shall be coming soon.
i said we shouldn't jump on k7killa seven, i think that was a slip up. based on what he said, he seemed very "normal" mafia lynching. the reason he hasn't responded with he reasons could be his making up for the short post. so i don't think we should jump on killa seven just yet.
it was indeed a result of poor communication which is exactly our point. we don't know what reasons whoever posted that had for voting green cow, so in my mind, i saw it as a random vote as well.
well what did you think about our second post? was your vote a pressure vote to get us to say more? if that is the case, then (i think) you had put as at L-1/L-2 which is no longer a pressure vote, and more of a "i want to lynch you" vote.
all right. first off, yes i voted for you guys in the first place because i wanted to hear what you guys had to say. i guess that's faulty logic, since you guys were so close to being lynched, but i didn't read how many people were lynching you. the "poor communication" thing. YEAH i thought it was poor communication. i already explained what i thought was poor communication, but i will again to set the record straight. i thought you guys were discussing who to vote for and someone mistook it and posted right away. this vote was a much more serious-sounding vote that killa7's at the time- it was a "hi, i vote" and the other was a joking one. so i found NAJD's vote to be a serious vote that came early because you guys discussed and someone went ahead to vote without full discussion being done.so you are just mindlessly following the crowd now?!?! form your own opinions! first you voted us because everyone else was. then, you unvoted because everyone else was! how are people not seeing this?
post 19 was one of the first reasons i voted for him- he could have condensed all his posting into one, but didn't. why not? even if he wasn't sure what was going on. posting into one would have saved a post. a comprehensive analysis.. isn't that what everyone has been saying? isn't that what his own partner said to do? to put all your analysis into one document and then post later on. yet he just posted the question. i found that suspicious, and that's why i voted for him.This is IcemanE. I only have time for a quick question for the mod and will make a much more comprehensive analysis post soon, if the answer to the question I'm about to ask is no. I believe NAJD has already been lynched, with maxwell's being the hammer vote: Am I correct?
Lynching randomly would actually give town >90% chance to win, because scum would never get to NK. Theoretically it's an awesome idea, but too tough to implicate. It's merely meant to show the power of Not posting. I don't mean post little as in post like K7. I mean say more in fewer posts.hasdgfas wrote:Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You shouldstrife220 wrote:Given that the game is nightless, and scum Only get to kill every 10 pages, I will restate the importance of not posting very often. The less town talks here, the better. I'd go as far as saying that it's a better idea to talk less and lynch based on less information than it is to talk more and have better informed lynches.neverlynch like this, even in a game set up like this. We still need to lynch informedly, but if people just make longer posts as opposed to shorter posts at the end of the day. We should talkmorein fewer posts, we should not talk less by any stretch of the imagination.
FoS: strife
Scum willting wrote:NO. There's something about the game mechanics you're not getting, but I can't tell you why, because then it'll be a Cassandra prophecy.ice wrote:My view on scum posting rates is that they'll probably post a lot early in the game, to accelerate us towards the 250 post mark, but slow down significantly around 50 posts or so to avoid the 100 post instant kill.This makes lurking in the late game a more significant tell and definitely something to watch for.
Essentially, this is why:rules wrote:At the end of each day,whoever has had the most votes on them for the longest time will be lynchedeven if that person already has a majority of votes on them before deadline.
is wrong. I know I've said it before, but I was hoping the scum wouldn't realize that:strife wrote:Lynching randomly would actually give town >90% chance to win, because scum would never get to NK.
Okay, so this willold number crunch post wrote:I'm not going to show the numbers, but if you go with 1 post per real time day, the scum get their first nk at the end of the 5th game day. They only get that one nk. The last 3 players will go into lylo with a total of only 325 posts, or 175 posts between all of them to kill.
Well we are looking at k7 for not posting enough however this is shadows only post for the game. Since k7 is on L-1 i think should lynch him and look into shadow tomorrow cause shadows contributed ABSOULUTLY NOTHING.ShadowGirl wrote:I apologize for not posting - my phone and internet went out for some inexplicable reason and it took a few days before a repairmen came to fix it - a reread shall be coming soon.
Well as well your reasoning is poor and you seem more desperate to give reasons for voting us. First of all please quote out repeated info. Remember my first post set out heaps of info for everyone to look at so thats where your point fails. However even though you havnt voted on the best reasoning, im preety sure your town due to ur massive posts and attempt to contribute towards the town.i guess i never further explained why i voted icemuffin, so that is partially my fault. i voted for him because one of them always said the same thing as EVERYONE else had said. it was repeated information, with nothing new to give. if you look at his posts, he often quotes other people of what they have to say and agrees with them (obviously, the most intelligent people). but doesn't really say more than "i agree with you. i agree with you. i agree with you. i agree with you and i'm gonna say what you just said and paraphrase it." (read post 33 and 40- lots of recycled statements) i find that fluff and a bit suspicious.