Mafia 79 - "The Amish Mafia" GAME OVER... WHO WON?

[q21]

This game seems to have stagnated. I look forward to whatever our replacement can bring to it.

Welcome kuribo.

[kuribo]

I'm about halfway through.

[Battle Mage]

yeh Alabaska is scum. Fonz is just very foolish.

Love you and all your reasonings! Maybe

post more explicitly

to avoid making such sweeping generalizations as these.

*resists urge to post pornographic image*

No, but srsly, its pretty obvious you are scum. Just die quietly so we can get on with finding your buddies, please.

BM

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Surely we'd want him to die loudly so we can use his noise to track his buddies?

[kuribo]

Personally, reading D1, my biggest suspect was VV. I was amazed that he wasn't lynched, but I suppose the ZS wagon had already picked up a full head of steam.

Bonus points to Marmalade--- He looked pretty fairly scummy to me D1, too. I have a specific post in mind, but now I've forgotten which. DizzyIzzy replaces in and keeps pushing the (long stalled) babygirl wagon.

Babygirl's hammering of ZS was stupid, but I don't think it was a scumtell--- He said he wouldn't claim, he had been acting irrational and scummy, and personally if I had been in the game, I'd have lynched him too. The only defense he had would have been "If he was scum, why is he acting so scummy?" And I *hate* Too Townie / Too Scummy. Not to mention the fact that Mellow obviously thought he had hammered. Which brings us to...

I don't necessarily believe the vig claim, but there's no reason to act on it today. I think the double NK is at least more indicative of a serial killer--- Neither of the NKs were strong scum suspects Day 1, but this has already been pointed out. The fact that he changed his claim when he thought he was dead is significant--- if he thought he was dead, he had no reason to try and keep up any pretenses of still being pro-town.

I don't like Alabasta's (clearly flawed for many well-noted reasons) plan to nolynch. At this point in the game, Nolynch is not the right call. Hell, lynching anyone would give us more information than a no-lynch. Nolynch would only serve to give the scum another kill. (Two if we have an SK instead of a vig, or MM really is a vig who just can't stop freaking killing townies) Some of Alabaska's stuff has come across as pointlessly angry and overdefensive.

Anyway, my gut tells me that the scum are DizzyIzzy, and Alabaska, at the very least.

Unvote, if necessary. Vote: DizzyIzzy, FOS: Alabaska

Is there a vote count?

[kuribo]

Wait, yeah, I see we got one right before I replaced.

It sucks that babygirl asked to replace out. I wanted to ask her if her vote was blatant OMGUS. Her replacement will never be able to answer that.

Then again, it's somewhat consistent with her freaking out when put under pressure.

[Mellowed Man]

The thing is, BG didn't freak out under pressure in another game I was in with her. She calmly claimed cop, in a cheerful way...

I am willing to lynch Alabaska, or BG.

[Alabaska J]

The thing is, BG didn't freak out under pressure in another game I was in with her. She calmly claimed cop, in a cheerful way...

I am willing to lynch Alabaska, or BG.

As if this post matters whatsoever…

[kuribo]

The thing is, BG didn't freak out under pressure in another game I was in with her. She calmly claimed cop, in a cheerful way...

I am willing to lynch Alabaska, or BG.

As if this post matters whatsoever…

Why not? Every post matters in one way or another.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Dizzy

Not a direct result of Kuribo's post, but i think he might have the right idea.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Personally, reading D1, my biggest suspect was VV. I was amazed that he wasn't lynched, but I suppose the ZS wagon had already picked up a full head of steam.

Bonus points to Marmalade--- He looked pretty fairly scummy to me D1, too. I have a specific post in mind, but now I've forgotten which. DizzyIzzy replaces in and keeps pushing the (long stalled) babygirl wagon.

Babygirl's hammering of ZS was stupid, but I don't think it was a scumtell--- He said he wouldn't claim, he had been acting irrational and scummy, and personally if I had been in the game, I'd have lynched him too. The only defense he had would have been "If he was scum, why is he acting so scummy?" And I *hate* Too Townie / Too Scummy. Not to mention the fact that Mellow obviously thought he had hammered. Which brings us to...

I don't necessarily believe the vig claim, but there's no reason to act on it today. I think the double NK is at least more indicative of a serial killer--- Neither of the NKs were strong scum suspects Day 1, but this has already been pointed out. The fact that he changed his claim when he thought he was dead is significant--- if he thought he was dead, he had no reason to try and keep up any pretenses of still being pro-town.

I don't like Alabasta's (clearly flawed for many well-noted reasons) plan to nolynch. At this point in the game, Nolynch is not the right call. Hell, lynching anyone would give us more information than a no-lynch. Nolynch would only serve to give the scum another kill. (Two if we have an SK instead of a vig, or MM really is a vig who just can't stop freaking killing townies) Some of Alabaska's stuff has come across as pointlessly angry and overdefensive.

Anyway, my gut tells me that the scum are DizzyIzzy, and Alabaska, at the very least.

Unvote, if necessary. Vote: DizzyIzzy, FOS: Alabaska

Is there a vote count?

Wait... why are you voting for me again? All you mentioned was that I voted for BG, and I think I esplained why I did that in the post where I voted for her.

Also, I'd hazard a guess we're more likely in multiple scum territory than vig territory, based on the phrasing of the townie win condition and experience from other Xyzzy modded games.

[Alabaska J]

The thing is, BG didn't freak out under pressure in another game I was in with her. She calmly claimed cop, in a cheerful way...

I am willing to lynch Alabaska, or BG.

As if this post matters whatsoever…

Why not? Every post matters in one way or another.

Not this one. He has said the same thing at least three different times before. He is posting this to make it look like he is contributing a lot more than he actually is.

[Mellowed Man]

It's not like you are contributing either. All you've done in the past week is say you want Evilgorillaz like 6 days ago, then say a few people are scummy (whom many people have, what a follower) and ask BM to post more detailed explanations of his votes, when you yourself are just sitting there, as if you are watching people argue with each other while you sit back, relax, and hope pressure moves off you.


What a scum.

unvote, Vote: Alabaska J

The fact that you are accusing people of not posting content, when you yourself are just the same or if not worse, is a scumtell.

[Alabaska J]

It's not like you are contributing either. All you've done in the past week is say you want Evilgorillaz like 6 days ago, then say a few people are scummy (whom many people have, what a follower) and ask BM to post more detailed explanations of his votes, when you yourself are just sitting there, as if you are watching people argue with each other while you sit back, relax, and hope pressure moves off you.


What a scum.

unvote, Vote: Alabaska J

The fact that you are accusing people of not posting content, when you yourself are just the same or if not worse, is a scumtell.

Except that what you said i have posted is content. All you have done is post the same things over and over again. If you hadn't have claimed vig, I would be all over you for this OMGUS shit you are pulling.

[Riceballtail]

After a quick read, still think MM is quite scummy, but too many people want to see him prove by a NK. The flaw I see is that he could do this NK as either a vig, scum (by having a buddy do it, as he may be RBd), or as an SK.

Alabaska is neutral, leaning scum to me right now. Not convinced enough of a lynch though.

Interested to see what Kuribo and Dizzy turn into. I'm still neutral with those two.

BG really seems scummy, and I think she's earned the lynch.

With that

UNVOTE; VOTE: BabyGirl86

[mr. incrediball]

nice to see we've replaced our old, rusty rigel with a souped-up kuribo 2000!


unfortunately, i've read through your post multiple times and fail to see the case against dizzyizzy. but then again, i am stupid.

[Battle Mage]

Surely we'd want him to die loudly so we can use his noise to track his buddies?

this post gives me terribly scummy vibes. Enough for a wagon at this stage.

BM

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Why? Maximum content from scum is desirable as it increases the likelihood that they will make mistake and provide links to their fellow scum.

[kuribo]

It's more her predecessor's actions than her own that causes me to look in Dizzy's direction. I'll elaborate when I have more time.

[The Fonz]

It's not like you are contributing either. All you've done in the past week is say you want Evilgorillaz like 6 days ago, then say a few people are scummy (whom many people have, what a follower) and ask BM to post more detailed explanations of his votes

All of this sounds like content to me.

Surely we'd want him to die loudly so we can use his noise to track his buddies?

this post gives me terribly scummy vibes. Enough for a wagon at this stage.

BM

Really? Seriously?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

yeh Alabaska is scum. Fonz is just very foolish.

Love you and all your reasonings! Maybe

post more explicitly

to avoid making such sweeping generalizations as these.

*resists urge to post pornographic image*

No, but srsly, its pretty obvious you are scum. Just die quietly so we can get on with finding your buddies, please.

BM

Given his response to what I posted, to me this vaguely reads as BMscum telling Alabaskascum to keep his mouth shut so as not to implicate his scum buddies. Meh. I could be reading more into it than there is, but I'm considering the possibility.

[Alabaska J]

Surely we'd want him to die loudly so we can use his noise to track his buddies?

this post gives me terribly scummy vibes. Enough for a wagon at this stage.

BM

What the hell…looked like a harmless joke to me. I really am starting to dislike playing with you.

[Mellowed Man]

BM, I don't know if anyone's ever told you this, but you use the worst logic I've ever seen to "justify" what you do. No offense.

[Battle Mage]

yeh Alabaska is scum. Fonz is just very foolish.

Love you and all your reasonings! Maybe

post more explicitly

to avoid making such sweeping generalizations as these.

*resists urge to post pornographic image*

No, but srsly, its pretty obvious you are scum. Just die quietly so we can get on with finding your buddies, please.

BM

Given his response to what I posted, to me this vaguely reads as BMscum telling Alabaskascum to keep his mouth shut so as not to implicate his scum buddies. Meh. I could be reading more into it than there is, but I'm considering the possibility.

Yeah, i can see that. Fair cop.

[Battle Mage]

Why? Maximum content from scum is desirable as it increases the likelihood that they will make mistake and provide links to their fellow scum.

:sigh:

Its not WHAT you are saying, but the WAY you are saying it. If i go into detail, it'll be confusing for me and you. But if it stops your buddies flaming me, i guess its for the best. Basically, the entire nature of your post feels unconvincing. Whilst what you say is right, you put it across in such a way as i would expect from scum TRYING TO APPEAR TO WANT WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE TOWN. If you were ACTUALLY protown, there is no motive atall for telling someone you think is scum, that if they talk alot, they are susceptible to revealing their buddies, and thus your post destroyed the optimum town play. Finally, your post was made in the second person. I can see that in some circumstances this might be natural, but ive read the post several times, and it sounds like you know i am protown-whilst someone who is genuinely town, in almost all circumstances, will not have such knowledge, and would thus be suspicious of everyone.

Apparently nobody else reads into things quite as much as me. I havent done that on MS in ages, but last time i did, it worked a treat. Ironically, i was criticised at the time, and was bullied into retracting my suspicions-later finding out if i had stuck to my guns, we'd have nailed a scumbag.

BM