Mature Mafia: Game Over

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: elvis knits

you know better than to vote for me....


on another note... I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS GAME!!!


oh and hi coron.


zu's post is interesting, but i think its useless to analyze before we see other deaths.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oh zu's post was edited...

unvote
vote: DBG

gut/crap logic on vote/bandwagon time

mainly its my gut.

[rajrhcpfreak]

but i didn't think that enough for me to jump another bandwagon.

but i see the hunch.

[rajrhcpfreak]

gut,

flow of her responses along with her interaction with others.

well thats why i am voting her.

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yah there is a gender icon under avatars...

[rajrhcpfreak]

post one:

Vote: Coron

One post and lurking already!

attempt at humor, is there is no helpful content here.


post two:

He said either "I'm out of the game" or "I have been eliminated from the game." "My alignment is townsperson," "My role is vanilla." So yeah, someone edited that.

helpful because he confirmed what we all were talking about. someone changed the first post.
but no analysis of current voting trends.
so my gut tells me that hes avoiding any real content but give us something to see so it looks like hes helping.

post three:

Also, the player's list has been edited, going from listing zu_Faul as "townsperson" in Blue, to just "Deceased."

same as above.



thats when i said i agree with Glork's hunch. but i thought my previous hunch was stronger.

fourth post is focusing solely on me who kinda supported a second vote for him. tunnel vision and avoiding other conversations.

ok thats my train of thought since it was questioned.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Wow, Raj. I think that is possibly the worst "analysis" I have ever seen. The game is under 35 posts old, and you are criticizing for a 1st post vote, being "helpful" but failing to analyze "voting trends," for not providing "real content," using "tunnel vision" and "avoiding other conversations." Absolutely the most horrid, slanted, 1-sided, hack job based on nothing I've ever read.

ok, those few posts made me question you.

i made a statement saying that i think i have the same hunch.

i was questioned about it by multiple people, so i explained.

and i think this is the worst omgus in the world. i didn't even vote for you. i just agreed with a guy saying that he has a hunch to vote for you. now you are voting me for explaining my statement.

and usually i wouldn't defend my gut, but since two of your scum buddies openly questioned it too, i decided to explain.

i wont vote now, because my gut is telling me to vote for the scumbag continuously attacking me for trying to read people's posts. i guess if i took your approach and wait for someone else's lead then i wouldn't have to worry about people calling me out.

oh btw, im VLA until sunday night, prolly after survivor.


EBWOP: i agree with all the talk on editing. i dont edit posts, i doubt i will ever do it. i also dont see why a protown player would do it. its like lying when you are protown, it automaticly discredits anything you say when you are outted.

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I don't like rajs post 60 because he throws in more hyperbole in my opinion. He calls axels post an OMGUS and then tosses in the fact that the two people who agreed on an explanation must be scumbuddies. Combine this with his explanation post that also threw the "kitchen sink" around and I don't like it.

people wanted to know why i said it, multiple people. which i find odd because it was just a little comment.

so yes guts don't follow perfect mafia strategy, i cant keep my gut from wifom, etc. so i can see why it seams a little exaggerated. i wasn't using that to convince people. just to show where I'm coming from. i didnt know that every statement you make must have cold hard facts before you say it.


i would like for you to look at the of posts for your self. from my comment to the string of posts asking me to explain. i felt a strong defense from just a little comment by me, and then a reaction from other players defending that player.

[rajrhcpfreak]

raj, are you scum?

no

I don't know about raj. His posts are strange, emotional and not well reasoned. But I also get the feeling he might just be that way in general. I may flip over to someone who's not participating soon unless they, you know, start participating.

good posting, thats why I am glad I didnt omgus vote you and stuck with my original gut.

[rajrhcpfreak]

a good majority of us realize there is nothing we can do about it and choose to go on scum hunting.

FOS: Adel

see post 96

all this talk about rules sounds useless. we all know the rules of mafia. we don't know the setup so we don't know who is supposed to use their modpowers. not to mention, we have no way of enforcing the rules. i only see writing rules as a way for scum to sculpt them around rules that benefit them. as an uninformed townsperson i have no clue what rules to have in this game but the normal rules for mafia. i also see writing rules is a way to slow the game down and keep the town from scum hunting. the longer the scum can keep the town away from scum hunting the longer they can wait for a townsperson to say something stupid and cause a miss lynch.

so his last sentence convinces me to vote for him.

unvote

but that would put him at lynch -1.
ill hold off on voting for him till tonight. so we don't rush the lynch.

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well i have a feeling macros is going to unvote after he reads the thread. then i am pretty confident that it will be under.

if he stays on it then i dont know. it might be over when we lynch him.




its hard because i want to beleive that pooky tally and ek are town. but i know i shouldnt trust them.

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im confident with under now.

with macros gone i can only see 1 scum possibly on the list.

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vote: mathcam

gut, over meta gaming, i already mentioned it before. just waited for people to respond before a quick lynch.

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i buy the cam-glork-macros scum team.

this constant badgering people about how they voted and then letting cam avoid a claim is pretty scummy in my book.

the glork addition is weaker because of his abrasive style. so those two could be following the lead of a crazy person.


note: macros and cam were two out of the three people asking me to defend a hunch. the third of course was the person my hunch was against

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yes it's WIFOM.

scum could be helpful by telling us. but the town knowing that info is useless in the big picture of the game.

[rajrhcpfreak]

we are all good mafia players, especially glork.

his statement makes sense.
talking about this is a huge wifom.

and for the record, i would reveal it. helping the town is always good. you will never be questioned for helping the town. because the only way to turn it back onto you is a wifom.

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pretty confident, since cam is refusing to claim fully.

i like that all the people i said that could be a scum group, voted for me... omgus much?

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so we shouldn't ever claim? or your just special enough not to?

you gave us nothing. we can all say that we are protown. i doubt there will be someone with the balls to claim neutral or scum at this point. so the only thing that can help us is your role. and you avoiding telling us is scummier than someone wanting the person with the most votes to claim.

mafia is uninformed vs informed. your holding info back from the town. and calling an uninformed player scummy.


on the topic, i don't see how i am connected to glork either.

and ek, you claim your mafia skills have been slow since coming back to the site. but is this a case of bad play or scum wagon? you've played with me before, the only thing i am guilty of is accusing too many people which isn't too different from my usual style, much like glork's abrasiveness. and asking for someone at -1 or -2 to claim, which in 99% of the games on this site is perfectly acceptable.

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shdowlurker is a 10 year old, i type like a 10 year old. thats the difference.

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as you see in my original post:

the glork addition is weaker because of his abrasive style. so those two could be following the lead of a crazy person.

glork's is so abrasive than its easy for people to follow the lead. but they are all protecting the cam claim. thats why i finally decided that its plausible for him to be scum with them.

[rajrhcpfreak]

I feel she [DBG] is a much stronger lynch candidate than mathcam is. If nothing else, her association with this wagon should give the rest of you pause. At least unvote now and think about it.

you know at right i did, not i haven't gotten the same scummy vibes i had in the beginning of the game.

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lol, no it didnt.

but i wouldnt be suprised if someone else did it. its kinda funny, and true.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oh i agree. i'm voteing for him and i think he should claim.

question the ones defending him.


ok so what should we do cam, as mature mafia players?
what do i do if i get to lynch -1? let you all lynch me?

[rajrhcpfreak]

I think it's too early to say I want him to be lynched. I want him to convince me why he shouldn't be lynched, or fail miserably in doing so, so that I can tell whether or not he is the right lynch. His role claim seems pretty irrelevant, and if he ends up not being lynched, I'd rather it remained secret, so no, I don't want him to claim.

so you dont want me to claim. you want the town to be in the dark about my role? this doesnt sound very pro town.

dont we want the town to have all the info that we can get out of a scummy player?

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yah, not to mention the only person i feel that confident with is phoebus. and is it me or has glork been sucking cams ass since he called glork out?

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yes it is out of the spirit of the game. BUT all cam gave us was his alignment.
and technically my alignment and his alignment doesn't match.

now is pro-town the same as _________? probably.

but the wording of his only claim is suspicious.
personally i wouldn't seperate the two, role and alignment. i would just say them together. if he said protown vote counter, then i would buy it. now that they are seperate terms, they could mean something different, we didnt ask for you to seperate role and alignment, you openly did it yourself.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Amusingly enough, I'm wondering if we shouldn't

all

claim our modpowers now.

im for it, i dont see any way it can hurt the town or help the mafia.

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the point was brought up about revealing all mod powers? is this smart or stupid? shall we do it now or wait for a better time?

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im still suspicious of cam.

and just as suspicious of e_k.

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are you for or against claiming mod powers?

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humm, i dont see your claim. can you tell me what post or can you just say it again?

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yah i dont see why we shouldn't reveal those.

i can go first since im one of the highest on the vote count.

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your case is no better than my case against DGB. but i didnt want her to die. it was only a hunch.

ill claim when there is more votes on me.

ill die when you can trick enough people into voting a townie out.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oops, axel not dgb.

but i gues it was the same for both cases.

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i have a feeling the mod will give the responsiblities to someone else. or we are responsible enough to continue our ablities after we die.

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i guess it doesnt matter.


i have no mod ablities.

i guess you all can see why i didnt care about starting or not.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Random Vote, nothing to see here.
"Gut/Cap Logic on Vote/Bandwagon Time"... translation: Shamelessly wagoning, but claiming to have some "gut" behind it to "justify" it somewhat.
I think this post has been edited, because it originally had RAJ agreeing with my hunch-based Axelvote. Raj claims to see/agree with it, but not enough to jump a second time.
Reiterating his gut-vote on DGB... He asserts that his vote was due to her interactions with others. The extent of DGB's "interactions" at this point were a random-vote on Logic and a tongue-in-cheek comment towards him. I find it HIGHLY unlikely that you could've possibly formed a remotely solid "gut" opinion based on that. Somebody seems triggerhappy.
Throwaway post
This post was a response to a request to explain his Axelhunch. In his three-post PBPA, he openly criticizes Axel's

joke/random vote on Coron

. Axel's second post was still one of the FIRST FIFTEEN POSTS OF THE GAME, and the third post was an elaboration on the second. How could RAJ possibly expect to see meaningful analysis of "current voting trends"? The answer, plain and simple: He couldn't.
In his seventh post, Raj continues his attack on Axel, but states he won't vote for Axel. Axel's response was absolutely justified, and RAJ tries to pass it off as "the worst OMGUS in the world".

ok, i vote off gut. i make a simple comment that my gut is feeling something, dont know if its the same thing. i then get questioned by multiple people to explain a gut feeling. so i did. im sorry that it wasnt the perfect pbp analyis since it was only a gut feeling that didnt even warrent a vote from me.

After some more heat, Raj backs down. He does throw out the comment that those defending Axel are "his scumbuddies."
Kiss and make up with Axel.
The next post is a doozie. Here, we see RAJ actually FoS Adel all on his own. Then he comments on how he wants to jump the Camwagon but won't so as to not "rush a lynch." Awww, how considerate.
Raj implies suspicion of Macros, and throws out a wishy-washy noncomment about how he "wants" to believe Pooks/EK are town but knows he shouldn't trust them. For somebody who eariler ACCUSED AXEL OF MAKING COMMENTS THAT DON'T ADD VALUE TO THE THREAD, this surprises me.
Macros unvotes, and Raj sees only 1 on th Camwagon
Less than 29 hours after saying he'll "hold off" putting Cam at Lynch-1, Raj puts Cam at Lynch-1.

ok the people wanting me to explain a gut feeling were the same defending him. maybe it was a little over dramatic calling them scum buddies.
cam is the scummiest person and i thought that he needed to claim. i especially didnt want a quick lynch day one. so i waited. little did i know that macros was going to unvote and abunch of other people too.
i forgot about voting for him that night so i finally voted for cam like i said i would. especially since he wasnt going to claim.

After Pooky went after Glork/Cam, and DGB posited Glork/Cam/Macros, RAJ "can uy" the scumteam
RAJ mentions WIFOM to debunk EK's defense of me. Not really much to see here.
More WIFOM discussion, strengthened by RAJ claiming he'd reveal exactly what I did. I should also point out that RAJ points out that everyone in the game is a "good player." This comes up in the next post.
Raj asserts his confidence in his scumgroup. He points out that all three people he picked out ended up voting for him, and accuses us all of mere OMGUS.

FIRST

off, I voted for you long before you accused me of being scumm, RAJ... back when you were trying to "suck my ass" (if I may use such a term). I switched off in the interim, but moved back after your

atrocious

"I buy the cam/glork/macros group" post.

SECONDLY

while asserting that we're "good players," RAJ twice implies that we're making extremely obvious/rookie mistakes. First, our agreement with one another apparently makes us a scumgroup. Secondly, we ALL commit the SAME "scumtell" of "OMGUSing" Raj.
I call bullshit. Huge, enormous amounts of bullshit.

ok if you looked at that post agian. i buy those three as a group but i thought that you might not be apart of it and macros and cam were using you to attack townies and then they follow your lead.
making rookie mistakes isn't contridictary to everyone being good players. i have no clue what powers the mafia has. if they are able to edit posts then we may never know what role a dead player was. so in a situation like that players are able to buddy up easier with out being caught. and i dont buy that being a good player means you wont make rookie mistakes. you can wifom with that one.

Raj goes after Cam for not claiming, which I can't really say is especially out of the ordinary. He also defends against EK, claiming that his play here really isn't all that different than usual. (Incidentally, I think that this type of defense is a scumtell in and of itself, but that's neither here nor there.)
Another throwaway
Again, Raj asserts that both (assuming a single scumgroup of three, which I am tentatively assuming) of Cam's scumbuddies are going out of their way to defend him D1.
Pseudo-defense of DGB (not getting "the same scummy vibes" he did on page one).
Throwaway re: editing of Jathan's posts.
"oh i agree" Note also that Raj keeps leeching my interrogation of Cam's behavior even as he claims that I'm Cam's scumbuddy. He'll respond with "distancing, naturally," but I find that hard to swallow.
Misread/Misrepresentation of Cam... obviously I'm biased at this point, so you know which one I think it is.
And, most recently, he agrees with coron that my posting of a list is a point against me.

i dont know the relationship between you and cam. while i bought it earlier i made a mention that you might not be with those other two.
i dont see how playing like you usually do is a scum tell. i play as an aggressive player who likes to bandwagon people. now voting for me and claiming that my behavior is scummy is incorrect if you have ever played with me. and i dont see how claiming protown with no extra abilites (besdies mod abilites) was so hard.

So there you have it:
-Overblown weak (if not nonexistent altogether) arguments.
-Shamless sheeping, leeching, and outright stealing from other people
-Contradictory and hypocritical statements
-Throwaway comments

-no need to agrue against it. they prolly are, but thats just me.
-its pretty clear, you get to lynch -1 you claim. im sorry that getting onto a player for avoiding a claim is leeching. for me there was only one goal and that was to get a claim out of the person who was at lynch -1.
-prolly true.
-i'll make sure ill just stay quiet next time and let the grownups talk next time.




and ill wait to claim when i get more votes, i have no clue what number i'm at.
but im pretty confident in my vote of cam. it seams like it was just a continious battle trying to get him to claim. then is questionable protown alignment. then his protection of certian players and attacks on other makes my gut turn towards him pretty bad.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i just wanted everyone to agree. but since the day has been so slow and people werent responding.

so when Axelrod said to do it i decided not to argue and just get it over with.


i dont like how glork is pushing my lynch. if i started to stall on claiming, would that get me off the hook?

[rajrhcpfreak]

Am I the only one depressed by this lenghty annoying day?

what depresses me more is that you and pheobus would jump on to my bandwagon just because you are tired of the day.

maybe it would go faster if you two jumped on to the camwagon.

it wouldnt make you less scummy but atleast i can live....

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok. im about to leave for a wedding and then im going to have spotty connection for the next week.

so i guess if your going to lynch me do it soon.

and i guess ill claim. vanilla townsperson.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i should be back with full access by next sunday.

i wouldn't be disappointed in a pheobus lynch. but i still prefer the camwagon

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It's also possible that the scum role/alignment structure is set up differently, and thus that scum didn't know how worthless it would be to push for a claim. Raj is the scummiest of those three, so he gets my vote.

that could also been said with a townie. i know nothing because i have no mod ablities or anyother power. so i took it that claiming would work the same as a normal game. and would help the town.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i didnt write that

oops sorry, you didnt use quote boxes, and i was lazy. sorry

[rajrhcpfreak]

unvote

Vote: Macros

for the record i should have good connection Friday night.
and i am for a majority. if there isnt a majority then there shouldnt be a lynch.

[rajrhcpfreak]

from what i gathered, elvis_knits tells the lynchee to post their death.

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is lynch at 7 or 8?

[rajrhcpfreak]

I was lynched by a majourity of the town, it must be commented upon how handsome this group of people was, well not so much average, one persons attractiveness rasied the par as he is so god damned attractive
I'm afraid my death has cost the town a vanilla townie, or so I claim, but I would absolutely LOVE it if aforemented handsome irishman would step in and edit my post, pity he's probably to busy out doing handsome things.

I love turnips and run over puppies on my lawnmower