Mini 578 - Mistery at Montescuro - Game Over!

[DarlaBlueEyes]

EBWOP: That is meant to say Late in Day 1

[Joudas]

I am inclined to believe we have either one or both Cop/Doc and I am doubtful Guardian is either of those things.

I highly, HIGHLY doubt we have a cop, tracker, and watcher. Highly. I find it much more likely that the watcher / tracker combo was to make up for the lack of a cop, as was previously said.

DBE: Why would you want a cop / doc / whatever else to claim? How would this benefit town? Especially the doc. Catching 1 scum is not worth losing the doc (assuming we even have one to begin with, which is as yet unconfirmed.)

[Dasquian]

Well...

I think DBE is probably town. Watcher/tracker combo makes sense, and I just get townish vibes more than anything.

Yos2's case against mbf is interesting. I don't get a scum-vibe from mbf and haven't really at any point, but his part in the Coron wagon is undeniable; whether he intended to lynch him or not he put the bandwagon into motion and could've voted elsewhere (or nowhere, if he really wanted a no lynch!). In fact, why vote Coron if you wanted a no lynch? Was the purpose to get a no lynch without looking like you supported it?

Ergh. mbf is a good vote, I reckon. What's the vote-count?

I still think Guardian is scummy. If mbf can be accused of manipulating the deadline lynch in a scummy fashion, Guardian can certainly be accused of hammering it into shape.

[Claus]

Vote Count coming up!

Vote Count!

Macavenger 2 - Near, DBE
Guardian 2 - Dasquian, SingingLibrarian
MBF 1 - Yos2

Not voting:

Guardian, Joudas, Macavenger, MBF, Pyrodwarf

With 10 players alive, it is 6 to lynch!

[PyroDwarf]

i want to keep my vote on guardian. I had it on him day one for some suspiciousness, and now i'm keeping it on him for dragging coron down. Just the way he was so insistant that coron was scum doesn't sit right. He was certain enough to say "lynch me if coron is town" Does anyone think this is scumy? I know that i said i didn't like coron and DBE's claims, but that wasnt quite enough evidence for me to lynch them. Mike, other players are asking good questions, why place a vote on anyone if you wanted a no lynch?

vote:guardian

[Guardian]

I said "lynch me if coron is town and Near is scum"

Nice misquote/partial quote.

There's no flipping way Near is scum, now that Coron has been shown to be town.

Someone else said that there was a false dilemma of Coron/Near

No there wasn't!

Near and Coron were the players that had the votes on them.

There were 4 to lynch, and until DBE showed up, we had 3 votes.

It had to be Coron, OR Near.

Dasq, who had 0 votes, for example, wasn't possible until DBE showed up.

[PyroDwarf]

my bad on the partial quote, i really didnt mean to do that, i just woke up and didnt fell like trogging thru your posts. I don't see what near being or not being scum has to do with your innocence/guilt.

1) Near and Coron are both town, and probably Guardian is scum trying to get us to lynch a tracker.
3) Near is town believing Coron's claim, but is wrong and Coron is scum.
4) Near and Coron are both town, Guardian is a nincompoop.

well options 1 and 4 are correct, as "there's no flipping way near is scum" and i didnt misquote, there was no option two. so guardain I'll assume you wont claim scum, so town: we have a confirmed nincompoop, we must be cautious :p

[Guardian]

On the contrary, I think that I was justified and aided the town in lynching Coron over Near.

Lynching suspicious players has the added benefit that they won't be around to be mislynched later on.

[PyroDwarf]

then why lynch someone that claimed a power role? The chance of his myslynch would have decreased as the game went on, no? We would have seen results from him and would have been more likley not to kill him. Would it not have been better to lynch the other suspicious player, instead of the suspicious player that claimed a power role? Should we not have waited at least one day to see what results he came up with? Maybe he would have gotten a null like DBE, but we could have gone from there.

[Guardian]

see mikeburnfire about how trackers are most likely to get no useful results, and how useful tracker results are piss easy to fake or lie about.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

hmmm

unvote; vote:Guardian

[Guardian]

Why DBE?

[DarlaBlueEyes]

well I don't think Mac is scum, and I am not sold on you, but a little pressure cant hurt.

[Guardian]

as said in my previous Post I didn't like Mac's statement about Dasq, and I think near makes a good point,

Vote Macavenger

Now you don't think Mac is scum?

What changed your mind?

To me it seems like you saw a wagon growing on me and decided that now was a good time to hop on.

Lynch -2 isn't "a little pressure" that "couldn't hurt".

[DarlaBlueEyes]

because his explinations were satisfactory for what I was suspicious of.

and I would like to see how you would act under pressure, which so far you seem a bit panicked. (trying to guilt me or pressure me to unvote because its just a 'bandwagon' vote)

[Guardian]

I find your bandwagoning highly suspicious when you admit 'you aren't that suspicous of me' just a few pages ago.

Yeah I'm paranoid about you. I'm very paranoid about you. Your actions and role don't make sense.

Explaining your shameless banwagoning by deflecting attention back to me doesn't cut it.

vote: DBE

[Dasquian]

Why doesn't DBE's role-claim of watcher make sense to you?

[DarlaBlueEyes]

why are you SO worried about a possi Bandwagon Guardian?

You are only making me more suspicious with the OMGUS vote, and extremely defensive stance.

and like Dasq said, why don't you believe I am watcher?

[Guardian]

Ah, damn.

Well, I was going to have to claim soon anyways.

I am a cop.

I asked mod, and I am likely sane, whatever that means .

Tracker + Cop to me didn't make a whole lot of sense, and Coron's bullshit play made me decide to try and get him lynched.

Tracker + Cop + Watcher? No way. I was hoping to not have to claim today, but it was looking like I'd have to claim anyways, and I boxed myself in a corner by saying DBE's role didn't make sense . I asked who DBE targeted, hoping against hope he'd say Joudas, but that didn't happen. I can't be 100% sure that Claus didn't put 3 investigative roles in a mini, but I'm 99.99% sure.

Joudas came up innocent night 1.

I had no read on him, and he was the person Coron most suspected.

confirm vote: DBE

You are only making me more suspicious with the OMGUS vote, and extremely defensive stance.

My vote isn't at all OMGUS, and saying it is is a complete straw-man.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I am afraid if you lynch me you are gonna have a repeat of Night 1. I am the watcher, I cant change the setup. therefore your .01% bit of doubt is correct. If you learned anything from night one, then why don't you investigate me tonight and see if I am telling the truth. If I am, we have a watcher, if I am not, then you can lynch me.

and if you ARE the cop, why are you going so hard after claimed pro-town roles? vs. the unclaimed ones who are also voting you?

It doesn't make much sense.

vote stands.

[Guardian]

I am afraid if you lynch me you are gonna have a repeat of Night 1. I am the watcher, I cant change the setup. therefore your .01% bit of doubt is correct. If you learned anything from night one, then why don't you investigate me tonight and see if I am telling the truth. If I am, we have a watcher, if I am not, then you can lynch me.

How about I not waste an investigation?

and if you ARE the cop, why are you going so hard after claimed pro-town roles?

I'm only going after other claimed investigative roles.

vs. the unclaimed ones who are also voting you?

wtf justify this.

You think there are what, 5 power roles in this game?

It doesn't make much sense.

vote stands.

You don't say.

[Guardian]

Yos2 you're online and posting what are your thoughts on this now before everyone else comments?

i gtg for long time later.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

the fact that you are being so hostile about all of this just makes me suspect you even more.

USUALLY a Sane ( or somewhat sane) Cop is Pro-Town no? Therefore for you to be attacking the other Pro-Town investigative or otherwise roles is completely off.

do you WANT the Scum to win? really? I think you do, because I think you are scum. You are hoping that with a Watcher/Tracker combo there is no cop, so no one will counter claim you.

and There are only 4 Claims so far, Vanilla-Near, Watcher-DBE, Tracker-Coron, and Cop-Guardian, There are obv. at least 2 Scum, and probably another Vanilla or two.

So why target the claimed Pro-Town when you can Investigate someone who hasn't claimed and is most likely scum, unless you are scum yourself?

and I'm sorry but 'Wasting an Investigation' ? Who's side are you on?

Guardian is going to see to it that this is a repeat of the D1 Lynch I can tell.

[Yosarian2]

uh...what the hell?

Guardian, I'm not really sure why you claimed here...it really dosn't seem like a good idea to claim as cop with one innocent just in order to attack DBE here.

I can understand that 3 info roles in a game seem pretty unlikely...but watcher+tracker+cop isn't totally impossible, although that would imply no other power roles (which is an even BIGGER reason you shouldn't have claimed, gahhh).

...

That being said, IF (and this is a pretty big if), but if one of guardian and DBE is lying here, I guess my gut would be to believe Guardian. It's possible he decided to totally lie as a gambit to get her lynched, but eh, a watcher isn't THAT powerful a role, I'm not sure why a scum would sacrifice himself to lynch watcher.

[Yosarian2]

On the contrary, I think that I was justified and aided the town in lynching Coron over Near.

Btw, I still don't agree with this; especally as it seems to imply that Coron or Near were your only two choices; DBE seemed like a much better choice to me yesterday then either, or considering how fast you put together that coron wagon you probably could have quickwagoned someone else instead, if you had really wanted to. But I guess this whole thing has been outpaced by events, heh...