Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[fferyllt]

Currently reading up, but its nearly 1 in the morning here so off to bed soon.

But first, while I have found Scripten slightly suspicious his lynch isn't going to happen today and shouldn't happen anymore. I agree with what's been said about his wagon since his soft-claim. Taking a risk on his lynch is unnecessary as it could potentially result in the lynch of a town power role when instead we can look elsewhere to try to the other scum. Come day 2 Scripten can prove he's town and if he doesn't then we lynch him.

UNVOTE: Scripten

Scripten

- I have Scripten leaning scum. I have previously spoke of how I didn't like Scripten's early case on Beck. I thought he had unreasonable expectations of what he expected from Beck and thought his earlier vote and attack on Beck over the non-committal stuff was weak and him trying to push something as scummy when it wasn't.

While the flavour discussion was slightly confusing and one of the reasons I struggled to get involved, I didn't like Scripten's stance on the issue. As brought to light by others, I also didn't get why Scripten would find Grib's comments regarding flavor reasonable if it contradicted his own pm, surely it would make you a bit weary of it. But, Scripten has now soft-claimed, so he is on hold but hopefully he is being truthful about his claim come day 2.

These are his largest thoughts on Scripten, who I'd assume he'd watch because that's the reasonable thing to do. Not really interesting tbh.

He never got a chance to watch ANYBODY.

I watched Scripten because I thought that there was a good chance he'd be targeted by scum on night 1.

There's a rabbit hole here that I'm not really interested in exploring today. If I live and the game continues, I'll probably discuss it with him in the neighborhood tonight and in the game thread tomorrow.

[fferyllt]

Nothing you have said today leads to you knowing for a fact that BBT is scum. Unless you're scum with him.

[fferyllt]

You did read my opening posts for the day, correct?

We agree that a tracker/watcher/neighbourizer would be insanely OP, correct?

We also agree that a lone neighbourizer against the scum would be insanely imbalanced, correct?

I predicted there'd be a PR between you and Pine. Therefore, you can't both be scum like Grib and I thought D2.

Therefore, BBT must be scum.

I saw that, and I thought there were some potential points of agreement.

I'm not being very good at biting back insults at this point.

[fferyllt]

I didn't hammer Pine. That alone makes me not scum with BBT.

NEITHER DID I.

[fferyllt]

The last week or so has been a blur for me. I'm trying to figure out some chronology.

- my dad's memorial service happened the day I was added to the neighborhood, and I posted at about 6 am the next day in the neighborhood for the first time.

- my last post in the neighborhood was about 30 minutes before AA9 announced there that beck was dead and reopened this thread. That was about 6 am my time 24 hours from when I joined the game thread. I had been up most of the night, and I am pretty sure I was asleep again before day 3 started.

So, I didn't have a chance to hammer Pine.

[fferyllt]

Actually what the shit with fferyllt making a retort in a completely failed attempt to prove she's also not scum with BBT.

Scripten, thoughts on this? One one hand, seems like a weird thing to do as scum, but on the other, she's trying everything to get me to unvote her at this point.

Thinking.

You realize that today is a hell of a lot more important for town's chances than for scum's chances, right? Scum can still win if they lose a player today.

OF COURSE I'M GIVING YOU SHIT FOR VOTING ME AT LYLO.

[fferyllt]

What it's demonstrating is that I won't lie about my thread presence to "prove" I'm town. I'm more interested in accuracy than in advantage.

[fferyllt]

I didn't hammer Pine. That alone makes me not scum with BBT.

EBWOP: Pine has only ever had 1 vote on him.

What does this mean? You stated you could have hammered pine and are therefore not scum with BBT?

[fferyllt]

See, the main thing I'm confused about is why you were so concerned about it. From a town-you's perspective, you already said that Pine/me was the scumteam. So if I were in your (town) position, I'd be happy that I could prove Mathdino scum in just 18 hours.

Yet you did everything you could to get me to unvote you by appealing to the notion that I'm town. Which, from your town perspective, I shouldn't be. This reaction was unprecedented and is pretty much an isolated incident this game.

I don't actually know what this proves.
This is the part where if I wanted to be dishonest, I'd claim that the past 12 hours have been all a reaction test for fferyllt. But it wasn't. Said reactions are now too valuable not to analyse though.
I wish Scripten were here.

Edit: Wow. I'm dumb. I mixed up what makes me not scum with BBT, with what makes me not scum with Scripten and fferyllt.
This is the part where I blame it all on sleep deprivation.
Edit2: Yeah nope am dumb.

I always look for the possible town in what a player does. I've been considering that you could be town and just terribly wrong/bad every step of the way through this mess. Seeing that possibility makes me mad and pissy. It would be a lot easier to just write you off as scum and proceed from there. Easier, but not necessarily correct.

[fferyllt]

I think if he's town and you're town then Scripten could hammer. But, I don't think he's town.

I won't hammer.

I'd rather you didn't put it to the test with so much time still on the day-clock.

[fferyllt]

Not voting.

[fferyllt]

so tempting though. I think his claim is bullshit.

[fferyllt]

so how about you unvote and let scripten do whatever he's doing before this day ends.

[fferyllt]

Wait hang on

Wouldn't optimal play for Scripten there be to hammer BBT already, kill me, wait for Pine to vote you and then hammer?

This game is giving me fits.

Nothing makes sense as far as who is scum with whom.

[fferyllt]

fferyllt, what's your full read on Scripten based on neighbourhood?

I think if he's scum he's taken a very roundabout route to a win. If he were scum with Pine, then 1) He knew I was a town watcher. 2) He didn't kill me 3) he and his partner decided for pine to essentially counterclaim me and put all their eggs on the getting bbt lynched wagon, when it would have been far easier to make that happen with me dead and beck alive.

[fferyllt]

pretty sure I'm dead tonight, especially if we lynch Pine today. There was a chance I'd live as a source of wifom as long as there was some doubt about me.

[fferyllt]

I don't think it matters from an "in that case" perspective.

I find it hard to believe that this game day has played out at all as the scum team expected.

I want them both to react to the current game state before I decide where I want my vote.

[fferyllt]

Well then.

[fferyllt]

given how the last 24 hours played out, who do you think is the final scum?

[fferyllt]

I feel a little less comfortable with scripten-town than I do math-town.

I still feel a lot of confusion about the apparent decisions and choices of this scum team on night 2/day 3.

I'll dump more stuff in the neighborhood, I guess. But, I want that little bit out there for tomorrow, for sure. And I will be pretty squinty-eyed if there is no neighborization tonight.

I'll be phone posting for the next few hours. I'm ready for this day to end whenever, and will vote Pine if he hits L-1.

[fferyllt]

Scripten/Pine is impossible, Scripten would've hammered BBT.

So you're basically arguing for Scripten/BBT.

In which case Pine is not scum.

:/

Pine's day 3 didn't really feel all that scummy initially, which was why I entertained the possibility town could have two investigatives against a stacked scum team.

As the day has progressed, he's looked less and less town. His reactions feel off. The yardstick (what would I do/think as town in his position?) could also be off from how he plays as town, but he's deviated far enough that I feel confident he's scum.

Looking purely at multiday behaviors, the stuff that concerns me about scripten come down to "why is he alive?"

Scum could have been trying to avoid a doc protect. two nights in a row. It's not that far off, maybe? As a watcher, I was thinking similarly to how a doctor would think - who is the likely nk? And he wasn't targeted either night.

[fferyllt]

And your claim threw off my thoughts about the scum-team arsenal to a huge extent. Like there *had* to be a 1-shot strongman or ninja, if not both, to counteract some of the town power.

So, your suspicion of me seemed based on misinformation that you planted, which is still giving me minor fits.

I can't decide if I'm annoyed or squinty-eyed about that.

[fferyllt]

Or we have a Neighborizer and a Watcher, which would make perfect sense with a vanilla scumteam.

There is zero reason to assume that. It's just as likely that there's a scum PR as not. From my perspective, I have confirmation on three Town PRs. One of those (Neighborizer) can go either way and is thus a neutral utility, and the other two are conditional weak investigators. A JOAT, rolecop, or similar on the scumteam would indeed balance.

Pine, if I were scum with BBT, why would I delay your lynch? Scripten and fferyllt are pretty much ready to lynch you. The only reason I don't want them to is because I prefer them both alive to decide between me and BBT.

Doesn't it seem a bit antiwincon to force a 1v1 between me and my scumbuddy?

First off, you've been pushing the notion ALL DAY that BBT and are scum together, which would mean that I'd have been been trying to force a 1v1 between me and my scumbuddy. So take your hypocrisy and shove it. As for delaying my lynch, I don't know. Why don't you tell us? Too hesitant, or are you just enjoying the WIFOM game?

I think you're not hammering because you're dicking with us. You've got the game own, hammer and end it

I thought you had me as scum.

[fferyllt]

I'm kinda bumfuddled by your approach to getting votes off you if you're town.

[fferyllt]

my failure to vote you proves I'm town and math's failure to vote you doesn't disprove he's scum?

[fferyllt]

Your circumstances are quite different. No one really wants to vote Math, he's put himself above suspicion. He already has his win, and it is unlikely to go away. In contrast, you've been on the defensive all day, and were offered an out that was a closing window

Shit, the fact that Math even "gambled" like he did is evidence. From a Townie, that would have been a huge, huge risk. From scum, he risked nothing, and looked noble and daring to do it. Like dictating how you and I would use our powers, he's trying to control the game

If he knows I'm town it wasn't a gamble, true.

[fferyllt]

well, not much of one. I was seriously tempted to hammer because I've come around to thinking you're scum and I just wanted the insanity to end at that point.

[fferyllt]

Put your vote back on bbt, plz.

[fferyllt]

But, he's pushing a bbt lynch over his own. Is he doing what he accuses you of doing? bussing his partner?

[fferyllt]

mathdino. he wants today to be a 1v1 with him/bbt.

[fferyllt]

I'm happy to lynch either

so he's bussing his partner?

why is it that so many scum team combo possibilities require bussing?

[fferyllt]

I think it might be Scripten/BBT. Pine is being super weird/irrational.

didn't you have some reason why scripten couldn't be scum with bbt?

[fferyllt]

Pine if you're town you know for a fact that bbt is scum?

this game is giving me hives.

[fferyllt]

I know that earlier in this game I wanted to do all sorts of sub-optimal stuff (sub-optimal in feryland, anyway) out of sheer angst, stress and impatience.

I didn't do any of it because I've promised myself/my in-the-abstract team that I'll never screw up like that again.

[fferyllt]

bbt, between you.

scripten is still a question mark to me.

[fferyllt]

all these votes should be giving people fucking fits if they're on town.

[fferyllt]

bbt, between you.

What?

mathdino's play looks townier than yours.

[fferyllt]

I think you've counted on me to do the pine-wagon heavy lifting for you because of our claims.

[fferyllt]

Are you not going to?

I'm reaching tammy levels of waffle in this game. maybe exceeding them.

[fferyllt]

Pine plz unvote.

[fferyllt]

scripten could, too. that would be nice.

[fferyllt]

OK, I don't know what that means.

that means I don't know what I'm going to do yet. every time my intentions start to gel the game goes caterwompus.

[fferyllt]

Ah, OK.

Well you're a watcher. And Pine fake-claimed and then claimed he tracked me to a kill.

I mean, I don't know why you're considering that a possibility.

Possibilities:

town watcher/tracker

scum neighborizer/something

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town watcher/tracker/neighborizer

scum something/something

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town watcher/neighborizer

scum something/something


watcher/neighborizer feels light somehow. I dunno.

I wish I had watched Beck. :/

[fferyllt]

I will vote bbt after the iron bowl if I feel the same about it.

why would scum think there's a governor?

[fferyllt]

I fell asleep after the game.

I want to do some rereading.

[fferyllt]

BlueBloodedToffee Meta

First posts as scum:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5828484 - rvs voted town.

He mentions his scumbuddy (trickster) but mostly in null ways until the game is pretty far advanced and he's under a lot of suspicion. Here he busses trickster and then focuses pretty heavily on him from there. Of note, after his lynch he's still claiming to be town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - In this one, he replaced in on page 2. His content post was a vote on his scumbuddy. (this was his first game)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - in this one he votes his scumbuddy in RVS. Overall his posts in this game are low content and hedgy/insinuative sounding and from his ISO I don't see a lot of the conviction-heavy tunneling I saw in the Neuroscience mini normal.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... r_sort=Go- in this one, he votes town in RVS, then votes town in his next post. He distances pretty hard from scumbuddy flubber, pairs a townie (tso) with flubber and then pushes tso. Also, post 150 amused me given his first game. chainsaws a little in post 627 and beyond after not mentioning his scumbuddy for a while. In 773 he protects his scumbuddy, claiming that although he's not townreading him, the wagon was scumdriven because he was an easy lynch. FN winds up claiming scum and tells bbt to hammer him. from there, his play is solo, and aside from tone I'm not too interested in it for this game.

[fferyllt]

I've played with town-you and modded town-you. I wanted to do a little research to see some of the tendencies of your scum game so I could compare that to this game. Working on that now.

[fferyllt]

So Ffery, during this little meta-dive, what did you learn?

If anything.

This post itself, the sarcasm, is odd if it's coming from scum talking to semi-confirmed town, but it's even odder coming from town.

[fferyllt]

content coming later today.

[fferyllt]

I have a bad case of don't-want-to-do-shit. because the amount of shit I need to do vs the chances of coming across a smoking meta gun is daunting.

I read through the early part of bbt's iso and I'm just not seeing the tonal points of correspondence I saw when looking at his scum game. Which could mean that he's learned from his early scum game and is doing better. Or could mean I was absolutely right town townread him on day 1.

[fferyllt]

scum games, not game.

[fferyllt]

I'm packing and shit. I travel tomorrow. My plan is to reread again tonight and think deep thoughts while I drive across the state on the most boring interstate in the universe.. I might post some pre-deep thoughts tonight or tomorrow morning before I head out.

[fferyllt]

I'm back. I'm going to vote in a short while.

couple things I want to look at one more time.

[fferyllt]

So it looks like we have one more lynch before LyLo.

Beck was fairly unanimously considered town, so his flip isn't particularly useful.

Anyone have any flashes of intuition overnight? I'm currently in the mood for a Pine lynch.

Interesting.

VOTE: Pine

Nope. Don't believe that claim.

I thought you were suspicious of my n2 neighborhood claim.

Nah, he's not playing dumb. Not thinking it's LyLo makes sense.

UNVOTE SCRIPTEN OR WE LOSE

Why did it make sense to not think it's lylo?

Well a Neighborizer just outed them, soooo...

Pine and fferyllt are experienced enough to know that Neighborizer who also functions as a named townie/fruit vendor is extremely dangerous.

I don't really understand this comment. How did he function that way?

[fferyllt]

Then vote Pine. I have no motivation to hammer or vote anyone other than BBT today. If Scripten votes Pine, that's gonna be the lynch anyway.

This post and others of similar ilk really bother me. Town-you would be risking a loss several of the times you tried to push someone into putting a vote down to prove one of your theories.

[fferyllt]

So...what's missing.

One of BBT, Pine have to be scum because otherwise the game should have been over shortly after they crossvoted at the start of day 1.
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Pine essentially counterclaimed me when he claimed a tracker guilty on BBT.

So, the easy answer to this puzzle is Pine is scum.

Stuff that doesn't fit that scenario:

- Mathdino putting me (and Pine?) at risk of being quickhammered in his efforts to gamesolve via lylo vca. 2118 reads really strange to me, because here he makes a big deal out of being shocked that I didn't quickhammer, when it was his own, calculated vote that gave me the opportunity to do so. Also the way he jumped on Pine for potentially signalling a quickhammer opportunity in post 2059. I pointed this up, too. But as Pine has pointed out, that's an incredibly hamhanded way to go about signalling hammer availability to a partner. The game should have been over after the vote on me. It wasn't. The game should have been over after the vote on Pine if he's town. It wasn't.

- BBT basically lying down and doing very little to fight the lynch after the tracker guilty claim.

- Mathdino trying to make today him vs BBT and tomorrow him vs Pine preemptively. The reason this bothers me is that if BBT gets lynched (as is likely), then there's the implication that a bbt scumflip clears him.

The one piece of day 3 evidence that points away from this possibility is his early day 3 post about 1 of me or Pine having to be a PR and the other having to be scum. Given that Pine came out with his claim shortly after that post was made could mean that it was planned between them. BUT. That too would be hamhanded.

Every time I think about this game I come up with a different answer to the Schrodinger's Box puzzle.

I'm really sorry for being absent a good deal, and for being so indecisive when I am around. I'm going to vote in a few minutes. At best I give town another day and a possibility to pull this game out. At worse, we lose it here and now.

If it turns out that 3 town players were put at L-1 and there was no scum hammer, there needs to be some sort of new category of scummy.

[fferyllt]

BBT I'm comparing your play to what I've done in similar circumstances.

I replaced into a game in 5p lylo where 2 players were confirmed town, and I was up against the two scum players as the only options for lynch. I made cases explaining from day 1 forward why they both had to be scum. I interacted with both of them over and over again pointing up where their behavior and stances looked scummy.

I didn't wait for the town players to figure it out for themselves. My job was to convince town and avoid being lylo-lynched. In 5-p lylo I was actually under more pressure than scum were. They had a 2nd opportunity to win. If I was mislynced that was it.

If you are town and you're mislynched this is it.

Two game days worth of behavior that looked town to me have been negated by how you've played this game day.

[fferyllt]

I hope you're right.

I hope it doesn't matter which one I vote for. :/

[fferyllt]

Recent AA9 games:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6433913

town tracker, town watcher, watch immune mafia goon, track immune mafia goon.

This game wound up with the town tracker being modkilled for abandoning the game. Makes me think that maybe AA9 wanted to try a similar set-up to see how it would have worked out.

[fferyllt]

the interesting thing about that setup was that the mafia had some ideas (though wifomy) about what the town power could be.

It's not too different from my idea that the game could have a ninja.

[fferyllt]

The one thing I can agree with BBT on is your pet idea of a ninja is terribad if only because BRO IF PINE WERE TOWN AND I WERE SCUM HE'D BE DEAD BY NOW. So you're arguing not for me/BBT but for Scripten/BBT which we've already discussed.

This isn't relevant to the topic at hand.

My idea wasn't crazy (or scummy) based on what I knew.

[fferyllt]

It wasn't crazy, no, but to continue considering it is slightly so. Pine would have to be correct in that I'm just dicking around right now for him to be town and me scum.

In context I did find the setup spec kinda scummy actually since it seemed fairly irrelevant considering the extremely low likelihood of me/BBT, Scripten/BBT, and impossibility of me/Scripten.

Irrelevant, still not sure why you're looking into that.

I looked at it mostly because I wanted to know how AA9 goes about balancing games.

[fferyllt]

Sigh.

I've had a couple cat naps during the last 36 hours.

I know I'm not thinking completely straight.

It's not going to get better.

The likely scum are BBT and Pine. I realize that. From one perspective (the perspective of which potential team makes most sense) it doesn't matter which one I vote. From the perspective of "If I'm wrong about one of them", then there are arguments to make in favor of either one of them being more town than the other, and that is where I've been spinning my wheels.

[fferyllt]

VOTE BBT

[fferyllt]

I'm here and I hate you all.

I meant that vote to count but I regret posting it.

[fferyllt]

he was mislynched in the neuroscience mini.

it's moot now. he's lynched.

[fferyllt]

yeah, sorry. I'm exhausted. I realized I was going to keep flipping back and forth every new post and with every review.

good luck tomorrow if there is one!

[fferyllt]

Balance has nothing to do with this discussion. Remaining possible scumteams:

Pine/BBT
Pine/Mathdino
Scripten/BBT

And that last one's a very very off chance considering how obvious Pine's been for the latter half of today AND

the fact that Scripten/BBT could've hammered Pine when I was still voting him.

Were they both posting on site during that period?

[fferyllt]

So, if you were right, Fferyllt, we've won the game. If you are not, we've lost.

Woot.

not following the if I was right part .

[fferyllt]

I still don't get it.

If I'm right, then town could still lose on day 4.

[fferyllt]

this feels creepy like everyone is quietly gloating.

[fferyllt]

I'm waiting for clarification of my result before I post it. Also going to wait for Pine's result.

[fferyllt]

what the he'll guys?

[fferyllt]

My question for AA has been answered. I'm still waiting for Pine to post his result before I post mine.

[fferyllt]

Have you ever faked a guilty as town before?

[fferyllt]

I hate setup spec.


Town Watcher, Town Neighborizer, 5 VT, 2 Goons (or Goon/Something Else)

vs

Town watcher, 6 VT, 1 Goon 1 Scum Neighborizer.

[fferyllt]

OK, so I watched Mathdino. And I got a report of no result from AA9.

Which made my eyebrows rise so far they crawled right up into my hairline.

Upon my query, she said it was an error and that Scripten had visited Mathdino.

Which is what I expected since Mathdino was added to the neighborhood.

[fferyllt]

I'll go back through the days and look for evidence, but he's picked his battles really carefully

I don't plan to drag my heels the way I did on day 2 (which to me was some very necessary heel-dragging, but I've become something of an Ent in my time playing at MS).

I want to read Pine's Scripten case.

[fferyllt]

Day 3, not Day 2.

[fferyllt]

Did you not read the post-snip that I quoted?

[fferyllt]

Piiiiiiiine

[fferyllt]

I really want to just end this too.

I was very suspicious of Scripten at the end of day 3 and in the neighborhood. I almost didn't post my action in there because I didn't want Scripten to know what I'd do.

Pine's fake claim completely blows up the set-up, though. The setup just isn't balanced if Pine is town. And that's completely separate from all the counterclaim crap and that even knowing he was fake-claiming he was still saying I was scum with BBT.

The whole thing, though, was just so fucking anti-scum. From killing beck to claiming a guilty on his partner. And if he's scum then retracting the gambit is also terrible. He'd have had better luck pushing onward with that and claiming the odd PR out had to be Scripten.

[fferyllt]

I was very suspicious of Scripten at the end of day 3 and in the neighborhood. I almost didn't post my action in there because I didn't want Scripten to know what I'd do.

I kind of wish you hadn't, honestly.

Can you describe those actions of mine that were suspicious?

It was a tone thing. I felt like you were putting minimal content into the game on day 3, just enough to coast along. And I remembered that I didn't like your late day 1 reaction tests.

But, like I said. The game balance makes no sense to me if town has only one PR.

This game has had entirely too much gambiting and reaction testing for my taste, btw. When the cards are flipped and I know for sure who was gambiting as town, I may have some choice words. Gambiting is an art and in skilled hands quite useful. It's an art that I don't fool myself that I'm particularly good at. The gambiting in this game for the most part has been high risk and mediocre reward at best.

The gambit interactions in this game have made things a lot harder for me to sort.

[fferyllt]

It was a tone thing. I felt like you were putting minimal content into the game on day 3, just enough to coast along. And I remembered that I didn't like your late day 1 reaction tests.

I don't really like to post just for the sake of posting. If I can contribute, I will, but a high noise ratio isn't really a part of my play as either alignment. (You can independently verify this, though meta is a slippery slope and I hardly expect you to find it that useful in this case.)

Though, to move onto that topic a bit more, my reaction tests are generally a town tactic. I don't think I've ever even brought up the concept in my scum games so far. (Either to fake scumhunting or to excuse a scumslip of some sort.) Again, though, self-meta, so you can take it or leave it.

Unfortunately, there's not a whole hell of a lot I can do to alleviate suspicions based on tone.

But, like I said. The game balance makes no sense to me if town has only one PR.

This right here. Two town PRs was about all I could fathom.

Also, pretty sure the whole scum Ninja idea is bunk. I mean, it would have been super easy for Pine to have killed either you or Mathdino last night and gotten away with it if he were a Ninja.

And furthermore, doesn't it make you a

tad

suspicious that Pine's fakeclaim was a Tracker, when you're a Watcher? Especially seeing as how he claimed before knowing what was said in the hood?

Ninja or something like that made sense with two town investigative roles in a 9 player game. It doesn't make sense with one investigative because the likelihood of town getting anything useful out of the role would plummet from so-so to remote.

It does make me suspicious. I'm just curious why I would have been targeted. I think I dropped one pr tell on day 2. Not a crumb. A tell. And IME MS players as a general rule aren't that good at spotting PR tells. Probably because crumbing is so common.

[fferyllt]

I thought your comments assumed a role cop or some such. That's what I meant by targeted.

But, if scum-Pine thought I might be a PR and rolecopped me, why in the fuck wouldn't they just kill me instead of Beck. ESPECIALLY if he was going to bus BBT anyway?

[fferyllt]

But, I'd like to hear why you decided to neighborize me now that you bring it up?

[fferyllt]

My day 2 wasn't particularly stellar, though, and it was after that when you neighborized me. I was being considered a day 3 lynch candidate at the end of day 2.

[fferyllt]

Game balance.

[fferyllt]

I need to meta Pine to see if him taking faux-offense is a good scumtell for him. Later. Gotta be up in only a few hours for work.

So who are you reconsidering?

[fferyllt]

VOTE: Pine

p-edit what is that shit?

[fferyllt]

jesus christ.

[fferyllt]

mafia is serious business.

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I apologize for taking it so slow on day 4. And for being so pissy on day 3. And for phoning it in on day 2.

This was one of those games where I should have followed my "whoa there, I'm on overload" instinct and never have replaced in. But, once I do commit to a game, I'm very stubborn about sticking it through to the end.

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It's kinda funny that it would have been a scum lynch if I had hammered Pine when Mathdino gambited there. I was pretty convinced he was scum at that point and the temptation was huge.

Might have contributed to a day 4 loss though.

I would really, really like to understand what the plan was behind bussing BBT and killing Beck.

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Your retraction of your claim was what did it for me because it killed the possibility that Scripten was scum due to setup.

And I'd wrestled with that possibility overnight pretty hard, mostly because he and Mathdino were trying to push me different directions regarding my watch-target.

I thought that the scum of either of you two would prefer a lylo without a VT so that it was a question of which PR mix was more likely for AA9 to design.

Finding a recent AA9 micro where she'd gone PR-heavy and put both a watcher and a tracker worried me. So did seeing how those elements of the game design didn't get fully exercised as that game played out.

But, your claim retraction made it either a game where I was the only town PR, or it was a watcher/neighborizer setup. The only real problem with that setup from a balance perspective was that neighborizer was confirmable.

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oh that reminds me! when I saw the huge flavor foofooraw at the start of the game when I replaced in, I wondered if I was a flavor miller!

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I think AA9 already said. It was because she missed Scripten's neighborize-me action until night had almost ended. She added me to the neighborhood and extended the night so we'd have time to talk.

Then it was almost a half day later before I saw her PM about the neighborhood because it was the day of my dad's memorial service. Was still a fairly decent night's work.

I wonder how things would have worked out if I hadn't claimed watcher to Scripten on Night 2.


lol yeah that

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Interesting. I spent some time thinking about this game while driving, and came to the conclusion that Pine reminds me a little of scum-SpyreX in a couple games we'd played because he's put relatively little info about his scumreads into the game, as well as the huzzah type posts he made in reply to a few things I posted.

The first time I played with SpyreX I was kinda wowed by his reputation and brushed over the lack of doing-stuff content.

Rereading this aftgernoon to make sure my on-the-road memory was accurate.

I kept remembering this post. But the vibe didn't factor that much into my Pine read.

I should have listened to myself.

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i don't remember that post

wtf does 'huzzah type posts' mean xD

where someone is over the top "yeah that" about someone else's post. 1133 was the one I was thinking about at the time.

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Beck - An excellent player I must say. If he once make his mind about someone, there is no go back for him. In most cases, this kind of play works very well for town. And this is the reason why he was chosen to be killed because Scum team thought it will be hard to convince beck over anyone.

But as pointed out, people don't listen to me because I get into tunnel mode. Not sure why though cause my points are usually solid, even if the person is town.

I didn't trust you on day 2 because of your Majiffy push on day 1. I realize it's a recent-meta thing, but he was very much playing like he'd played in two recent games I'd played with him. In one, I defended him against scum-Thor and he self-hammered. In the other (a game we both replaced into), I contributed quite a bit to his getting mislynched.

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And by didn't trust you, I mean I didn't trust your reads.

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If.only I.knew how to stop tunneling and.trust people who's alignment I don't even know.I'd be a better player lol

mafia is a game of paranoia and trust.

I didn't really expect you to listen to me because you don't know me as a player. But, by the same token, even though I townread you for your tunneling, mostly, I didn't listen to you much after that.

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My main regret about this game was that Insanity and I didn't really cross paths. I've modded 2 games she played in and I was looking forward to playing with her. I wanted to see if I could turn around her read on my slot. And I was really impressed with how obvtown she was.

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And by didn't trust you, I mean I didn't trust your reads.

Well than that's on jiffy, not me. You play like scum you get lynched like scum. Its not that hard to scum hunt and be useful

Yeah. This is a way that many people approach the game - mislynching responsibility is all on the head of the player being misread.

I don't know that improves my reads, but I spend a lot of time looking for town motivation in what players put into the game.

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Since he can't post in this thread and defend himself or correct me, I don't really want to get into what I thought was going on with his play. On a general level, he and I almost never agree in our day 1 reads and I basically ignore his reads and focus on other aspects of his play to develop a day 1 read. The way he greeted my first reads list was the start of my townread.