Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[fferyllt]

Your retraction of your claim was what did it for me because it killed the possibility that Scripten was scum due to setup.

And I'd wrestled with that possibility overnight pretty hard, mostly because he and Mathdino were trying to push me different directions regarding my watch-target.

I thought that the scum of either of you two would prefer a lylo without a VT so that it was a question of which PR mix was more likely for AA9 to design.

Finding a recent AA9 micro where she'd gone PR-heavy and put both a watcher and a tracker worried me. So did seeing how those elements of the game design didn't get fully exercised as that game played out.

But, your claim retraction made it either a game where I was the only town PR, or it was a watcher/neighborizer setup. The only real problem with that setup from a balance perspective was that neighborizer was confirmable.

[ArcAngel9]

Scum pt is now made public!!

[ArcAngel9]

Feedback are welcome abt setup speculation

[Scripten]

Meh. Just read the dead thread and Beck wasn't as ranty as AA9's PM led me to believe.

This. After neighborizing him and playing the rest of the game, I got into a sort of groove with his playstyle. It doesn't mesh with mine as easily as other players', but he came across as hardcore town.

Also, talking to Beck in the hood really illustrated the differences between his playstyle and his personality, so out-of-game I'm glad I picked him.

-"I am not a tracker" was a genuine, honest-to-God scumslip. I mixed up which claim I'd gone with. I was initially going to go with Watcher, but realized at the last minute that it was too easy to disprove. I'm super proud that I managed to successfully recover from it

I knew it!

-Framing Mathdino as my buddy was not part of the plan...until he accused me of it. Then it was

This was actually your downfall, IMO. You went after every single other player, even though you were so sure of BBT being scum. If you'd only stuck with one of us, it might have worked a little better, but I understand why you didn't.

-I didn't give up on D4. The no kill was calculated. If I'd killed Mathdino, I was concerned that my only lifeline (ffery) might catch me in the act and end it without any room for negotiation. With a 4-person MYLO, everyone had to be unanimous, and I had a toehold to forestall it

We actually reasoned this out in the hood. Math and I spent most of D3/N3 just coming up with the various circumstances that were possible and hypothesizing on them. I think it saved us a couple of times.

AA9:

Can we share the hood PT? I feel like it's only fair to Pine and BBT.

-I really did make up every aspect of the Tracker fakeclaim. AA9 supplied none of it

I believed you, actually. I just try to put people off-balance when I know I'm unaligned with them. Also, I'm actually curious, since your play seems similar to mine in a few ways. Do you feign offense at people as part of your play or was that all genuine?

I do the former, so if I was actually being a dick, I apologize and would like to say that it was all in-game posturing.

This was a shitty scumgame for me (I usually do really well, recent examples notwithstanding) but very fun. I liked the elements of paranoia and doubt in D3

Having played scum with BBT before, I kept seeing little things between you guys that set off red flags. I kind of wish they were more quantifiable, since I can get a feel for where BBT's alignment is but I can't make it explicit to other players. I actually had a much stronger scumread than I ever let on, but I was paranoid enough about Math that until BBT flipped, I couldn't choose between them. Since it was down to you or me, I just kept on your case.

Also, a few notes:
- I honestly think that Mathdino's gambits paid off during D3, but my jaw dropped when I saw what he'd done. (Also, I was online for a few things that I said I wasn't. I just didn't want to post until other reactions were out there.)
- I picked Beck for a couple of reasons: 1) He just wasn't going to be NK'd. There were at least two or three townier players to go first. 2) His reversal on his read on me would be the most blatant and, even though he couldn't confirm my alignment, I trusted him to be honest about the likelihood of my being scum.
- I tried my damnedest to make myself out to be a BP, and it almost backfired I see. Still, I'm glad I did so.

Any thoughts on my play, peeps? I'm especially curious about my play regarding my role.

[Pine]

I do feign offense, but this time it was mostly genuine. I was a little miffed at the repeatedly-pushed notion that I could not possibly have invented that flavor on my own. I really did, and I didn't even have to do research to do it. On the first day of kindergarten, I told my teacher I wanted to be a paleontologist when I grew up. Allegedly, my teacher called home to ask why a five-year-old was using polysyllabic words in correct context

[ArcAngel9]

Neighbor hood PT is now made public!!!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=59580

[Beck]

Any thoughts on my play, peeps? I'm especially curious about my play regarding my role.

your play was fine until you went into lurk mode

[Scripten]

Any thoughts on my play, peeps? I'm especially curious about my play regarding my role.

your play was fine until you went into lurk mode

I actually had no idea I was even lurking until I looked at post counts. I guess I'm just quieter during LyLo than I should be.

[Mathdino]

-Framing Mathdino as my buddy was not part of the plan...until he accused me of it. Then it was

LOL

[Mathdino]

I do feign offense, but this time it was mostly genuine. I was a little miffed at the repeatedly-pushed notion that I could not possibly have invented that flavor on my own. I really did, and I didn't even have to do research to do it. On the first day of kindergarten, I told my teacher I wanted to be a paleontologist when I grew up. Allegedly, my teacher called home to ask why a five-year-old was using polysyllabic words in correct context

bro, my username comes from a really really old password I used to use that was a combination of the 2 subjects I liked most at the time

Regardless, the fact of the matter is, VT-Rex makes no sense and that's what I mean rather than you being unable to fakeclaim.

[insanity018]

So yeah. Sorry for any heart attacks.

*grumble grumble*

GG town! Even though it was extremely stressful watching

some

of you.

Congrats to Pine for dragging it out and nearly confusing everyone at the end of the game.

Thanks very much for modding ArcAngel! And I loved that tribute video! <3

[ArcAngel9]

You all should join my next game. Its a butt kicking theme...

[Pine]

Flattered at all the praise, but it was only an uphill battle because I'd already screwed up repeatedly

Well, not 'only,' that doesn't give proper credit to Town's good scumhunting/Townhunting

PE: ArcAngel, I'll take a pre/in for that

[ArcAngel9]

Sure Pine. I am working on the game Setup at this moment. This is going to be a large theme game
I am very excited for this!!!

[ArcAngel9]

I am not really an expert at this but I wanted to share my views about everyone's play.
Firstly, the game was very exciting since the day 1 and thank you everyone for make it very exciting. I read every single letter, ward and sentence of this game.

Over all Town played a very good game and they well deserved this victory!! Congrats Town!!

Grib - I give him complete credit for nailing down BBT on day1. I was truly surprised by his point of view about him and I was so sure he would get him lynched but Grib reduced his activity at the end of day1 which worked negative in his reads

Beck - An excellent player I must say. If he once make his mind about someone, there is no go back for him. In most cases, this kind of play works very well for town. And this is the reason why he was chosen to be killed because Scum team thought it will be hard to convince beck over anyone.

fferyllt - I always been fan of her play and am so happy she accepted my request and joined this game. No one could have been better replacement than her

BBT - He played a week game at the beginning but somehow managed to survive till D3. He has great potential to be a great scummer. The only mistake he did was bussing pine (vice versa) on D3 which gave an opportunity for Mathdino to play his gambit. Otherwise, Mathdino was no near to clear out fferyllt easily

Pine - An excellent scum player but few slips. Although he managed to cover them up but he has this amazing skill to develop stories that fit right into the subject. He is an awesome scum player with a right partner

Mathdino - Definitely a smart player but the Gambits was a risky move. Gambit are like lottery, you could have lost the game if you had tired that with Pine.

Insanity - Sorry that you had very little life in this game but you were someone the universal town read and that's why the scum killed you on Night1. Would like to see more of your play, hopefully soon!!!

Scripten - Right moves at right time.. That's the statement that fits him very well. there is more than one right choice he made and survived till the end. Claim at the right time, Neighboring Beck at the right time were the key moves for his survival. Mafia just didn't want to touch at all due to this.

Over all. Thank you all and GG!!!!

[Mathdino]

Pine - An excellent scum player but few slips. Although he managed to cover them up but he has this amazing skill to develop stories that fit right into the subject. He is an awesome scum player with a right partner

Totally agree, I believed a great deal of his stories WHILE thinking he was scum. The comeback from "I'm not a tracker" was great.

On insanity, uh
while I totally would've killed her as scum due to everyone ELSE townreading her, I was hugely paranoid of her being that kind of player that you townread at the beginning for hitting all the right town notes (active but not too active, reasonable/diplomatic, driving her reads forward) but ends up biting you in the ass later on since her lack of overactivity meant her influence on the game besides being townread was relatively minimal, so nothing would be traced back to her.
Also the fact that I couldn't draw any associations with her and any other players was creeping me out. Figured she might've been just letting {Scripten, Beck, Grib, Pine, BBT} just duke it out and let town fall apart.

On a sidenote, I wish nailing the

flavour

of the entire scumteam counted for anything xD

[fferyllt]

oh that reminds me! when I saw the huge flavor foofooraw at the start of the game when I replaced in, I wondered if I was a flavor miller!

[Mathdino]

@AA9:

Why was N2 extended?

@Pine:

Why didn't you just self hammer?

[Pine]

I still felt I had a chance to convince ffery and force a standoff, and eventually convince you

I don't give up

N2 was extended because AA9 missed a PM from Scripten adding ffery to the Neighborhood

[Scripten]

@AA9:

Why was N2 extended?

That was because of me!

AA9 needed to give me and Fferyllt time during night to talk in the hood.

PEDIT: Nvm Pine got it first.

[fferyllt]

I think AA9 already said. It was because she missed Scripten's neighborize-me action until night had almost ended. She added me to the neighborhood and extended the night so we'd have time to talk.

Then it was almost a half day later before I saw her PM about the neighborhood because it was the day of my dad's memorial service. Was still a fairly decent night's work.

I wonder how things would have worked out if I hadn't claimed watcher to Scripten on Night 2.


lol yeah that

[Mathdino]

No but I mean

You said in the scum PT you wanted to get lynched D3 (not talking D4).

You were correct in that you getting lynched would be a much easier win than BBT getting lynched, since I'm an easier lynch than fferyllt.

[Scripten]

I wonder how things would have worked out if I hadn't claimed watcher to Scripten on Night 2.

I'm glad you did! If you hadn't, I probably would have town-read Pine a lot harder.

Pine, did you come up with the role part of your fakeclaim as well as flavor? If you had claimed something like a cop, I might have been less suspicious of your claim.

[fferyllt]

Interesting. I spent some time thinking about this game while driving, and came to the conclusion that Pine reminds me a little of scum-SpyreX in a couple games we'd played because he's put relatively little info about his scumreads into the game, as well as the huzzah type posts he made in reply to a few things I posted.

The first time I played with SpyreX I was kinda wowed by his reputation and brushed over the lack of doing-stuff content.

Rereading this aftgernoon to make sure my on-the-road memory was accurate.

I kept remembering this post. But the vibe didn't factor that much into my Pine read.

I should have listened to myself.

[Beck]

Sure Pine. I am working on the game Setup at this moment. This is going to be a large theme game
I am very excited for this!!!

If you do a mini again, lmk. I.can't deal with large games