Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

Beck · Post Post #861 (isolation #200) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:20 pm

In post 860, Majiffy wrote:Not lurking, unavailable.
Not refusing to explain reads. I just don't see why I should explain myself to my two strongest scumreads.
Playing close to the chest doesn't mean I'm not scumhunting, no matter how much you insist it is.
Which "straws" am I grasping at?

1. So you say
2. At least you admit it
3.yes it is
4. Me being scum, me trying to fit reasons to match my reads, this quote

In post 823, Majiffy wrote:So we have;

1) Retroactively fitting cases
2) Quote and context obfuscation
3) Misrepresentation and outright lying

Anything else I'm missing? And this is just today's haul.

Hang scum

Beck · Post Post #863 (isolation #201) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:21 pm

In post 860, Majiffy wrote:But go ahead and explain how I'm playing "against my wincon"

If you are town, 858 explains.it

Beck · Post Post #867 (isolation #202) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:31 pm

1. Yes it's possible
The rest isnt worth responding to

Beck · Post Post #872 (isolation #203) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:36 pm

Classic.scum.majiffy

Beck · Post Post #874 (isolation #204) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:40 pm

You get over yourself first and I'll consider it

Beck · Post Post #876 (isolation #205) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:41 pm

In post 875, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:. I feel Majiffy has been fairly clear with his posts

You are kidding right?

Beck · Post Post #890 (isolation #206) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:59 am

In post 885, Majiffy wrote:What about my beck arguments?

You have to make some before you can ask people about them...

Beck · Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:29 am

In post 899, Grib wrote:
In post 897, Pine wrote:Because Beck is Town and you're wrong

At least we agree on something. <3

X3

Beck · Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:53 am

In post 907, Scripten wrote:Oh, right, I promised to stop trying to make jokes in this thread, didn't I? Apologies, that was just humor.

Humor is a scum tell

Beck · Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:00 pm

In post 909, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Only scum go to prison.

You obviously don't live in America

Beck · Post Post #914 (isolation #210) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:49 pm

In post 913, Majiffy wrote:
In post 897, Pine wrote:Because Beck is Town and you're wrong

Feel free to refute my arguments! They've been provided very thoroughly ITT with quotes!

who are you trying to fool? you have made no case against me.

Beck · Post Post #915 (isolation #211) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:52 pm

@pine and scripen. you need to decide me or majiffy. no other lynch is happening.

Beck · Post Post #919 (isolation #212) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:38 pm

In post 917, Scripten wrote:I'm pretty much ready to hammer at any point.

So go ahead

Beck · Post Post #922 (isolation #213) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:46 pm

But if he isn't lynched, you lose town beck and risk getting some dumb replacement. You don't want that

Beck · Post Post #925 (isolation #214) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:56 pm

In post 923, Pine wrote:I'd rather we not lynch either of you. Grib's right there. Flashwagon gogogo

If we both live, I'm replacing out

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:20 am

In post 931, Majiffy wrote:When I flip town, you lynch Beck. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

This applies in reverse also. If I'm lynched, lynch jiffy tomorrow cause I'm 100% flipping town

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:07 am

It's not fake, I'm the towniest person in here. I knew you weren't going to hammer your scum buddy

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:22 am

Go ahead and hammer.

I'm town, jiffy and scripten are scum.

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:25 am

In post 943, Scripten wrote:A little weird to be putting pressure on someone this late, as if he didn't have enough already. Any reason you don't want to be caught on Beck's wagon, Mathdino?

Any reason why you kept stalling hammering scum?

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:27 am

In post 944, Mathdino wrote:Yes, it's because I want to reread the thread and you stating 'intent to hammer' makes me worried you will before I'm done. Trust me, I'll hammer him when I'm done.

So you are going to take your time to reread and hammer me no matter what?

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:31 am

In post 947, Scripten wrote:. I would rather hammer correctly than try to appease people.

This person is not the person who just gave intent to hammer over a non scummy post...

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:32 am

I said it once, I'll say it again. Town is fucked and isn't going to win. Just put me out of my misery so I don't have to read anymore of it.

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:48 am

In post 951, Scripten wrote:
In post 949, Beck wrote:
In post 947, Scripten wrote:. I would rather hammer correctly than try to appease people.

This person is not the person who just gave intent to hammer over a non scummy post...

Do you read everything at face value?

Yes

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:01 pm

In post 958, Mathdino wrote:Beck was already at L-1 before, he claimed VT. I put him at L-1 to see his reaction at the danger of being lynched again.

My reaction isn't going to change, I was totally expecting to get lynched last time, I expect it to happen this time.

Jiffy made 1 post that shows basically nothing of value. I've seen wagons form on town and a counter wagon on another town before.

If only be put that kind of effort in making a case on anyone... You know the whole point of the game?

You call my post self preservation. Majiffy's post was the epitome of self preservation.

I'm town. Jiffy/scripten are my final scum reads.

Hammer away.

Peace out homies

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:34 pm

In post 961, Mathdino wrote:Why did you state intent to hammer 3 times, back off his wagon, and suddenly vote jiffy again?

Ooh I know :raises hand wildly:

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:47 pm

In post 965, Mathdino wrote:Wait shit Finn's not voting Majiffy.

Can someone unvote jiffy please.

unvote

Cause I'm a swell guy

Beck · Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:56 pm

In post 968, Mathdino wrote:Not from reading the thread, but I'm beginning to think we should run up Scripten again. Ever since his softclaim it's like he's been using that as an excuse to literally be the scummiest person in the game. The deadline freeze actually gives us a ton of options.

Oh don't tease me...

Beck · Post Post #977 (isolation #227) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:21 pm

In post 973, Pine wrote:Still don't like the Majiffy wagon. Beck wagon remains laughable

We need more input from Insanity

Tell me why? He spends more time refusing to make a case and more effort trying to make up a bad counter wagon argument.

None of this is town behavior

P.edit - cause its jiffy/script

Beck · Post Post #988 (isolation #228) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:46 pm

In post 980, Pine wrote:No no no. You're not thinking. It isn't Townish behavior, BUT IT ISNT SCUM BEHAVIOR EITHER

1. Sure it is
2. You are forgetting it's me or him today, nobody else

Time to.decide

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:47 am

In post 998, Scripten wrote:That looks more like Beck just being Beck.

If that's true why give intent to hammer?

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:52 am

In post 1008, fferyllt wrote:Why did you think the bolded?

Misread the mods post and.thought that was what she said.

No I don't play many themes

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:23 am

In post 1015, fferyllt wrote:309 makes my head hurt. Beck am I gathering correctly that you come from a chatmafia background?

Nope, 2010 to present mafia scum
2007 or 2008 to 2010 - another forum.

I mean I did play epicmafia some but mainly trolled

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:00 am

In post 1020, Mathdino wrote:Beck is being way too self-defensive and his vote on Scripten is super weak. If BBT flips scum, Beck dies next.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:03 am

In post 1022, Scripten wrote:I've actually never played a game here with a third party before, so I haven't any clue on how to tell if they are in the game or how to hunt them yet.

A good 3rd party player would play like they are town, cause they still need to lynch mafia to win

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:04 am

In post 1023, fferyllt wrote:Why?

Cause he looked really eager in a fake way

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:13 am

I know, I just wanted to laugh at it.again

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:28 am

To me it did

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:33 pm

Don't drunk post

The tone probably changed cause you replaced in and went information overload.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:57 pm

Romantic walks on the beach aren't that romantic. The sand sucks ass

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:02 pm

Last I checked all beaches have sand...

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:05 pm

Anyways, can we lynch jiffy already?

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:09 pm

He goes or I go, its that simple.

Pick one

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:35 pm

In post 1080, Majiffy wrote:I want to talk about how the fuck Beck hasn't been lynched after provably offering a false meta argument for my having a scum alignment, and then after being pressed further, provably lying and/or misrepresenting a number of my posts.

and you accuse me of lying?

this entire post is a lie

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:40 pm

In post 1082, Majiffy wrote:Feel free to point out the lies!

the entire thing. False meta argument? nope. provably lying? nope. misrepresenting a number of your posts? nope.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:46 pm

In post 1084, Majiffy wrote:True, but trying to come at me with a meta bank of 5 games to begin with is pretty weak. Especially when - IIRC - only one was a scum game.

1. I said "at least" 5
2. I could come after you with even just 1 meta game if I wanted to.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:48 pm

In post 1088, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1086, fferyllt wrote:
I would totally come at you with a meta bank of 5 games.

:colbert:

In post 1087, Beck wrote:
In post 1082, Majiffy wrote:Feel free to point out the lies!

the entire thing. False meta argument? nope. provably lying? nope. misrepresenting a number of your posts? nope.

I've already proven my arguments. It's all in my ISO.

If you want to make a claim, prove it.

you haven't proved shit.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:55 pm

it works how I say it works
You haven't even proved your arguments so there is nothing to refute.

@ ffly - it's ONLY going to be jiffy or me today. No other lynch is going to happen so quit wasting time.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:02 pm

vote: majify

back to L-1

hopefully somebody hammers. If this day isn't over by noon tomorrow I am out of here.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:03 pm

In post 1098, Majiffy wrote:My townflip will prove your meta wrong, and therefore prove that it doesn't work.

Which will subsequently prove that the rest of my arguments were sound.

So you best pump your brakes, kid.

you aren't going to flip town so I am not worried about the rest.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:05 pm

see, only scum would self hammer.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:06 pm

In post 1102, Majiffy wrote:Lynch beck tomorrow thanks all the arguments you need are in my ISO

as I have pointed out already, you never ACTUALLY made any arguments explaining why I was scum...

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:11 pm

In post 1107, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1103, Beck wrote:see, only scum would self hammer.

Town-majiffy self-hammered in a recent game he and I played.

I think it's happened again.

if that's the case he deserves a site ban for violating the "play to win" site rule but apparently nobody on this site actually enforces rules...

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:12 pm

In post 1113, Majiffy wrote:Should I grab more?

so let me get this straight. You criticized me for pulling quotes LONG AFTER I VOTED YOU and your entire case is stuff that occured LONG AFTER YOU VOTED ME..

Hypocrite much?

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:15 pm

In post 1116, Majiffy wrote:Hammering yourself to prove your alignment in a 1v1 isnt anti-wincon.

if you are town absolutely yes it is because I am also town.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:18 pm

In post 1118, Majiffy wrote:No, those were just arguments. Not the reason i initially voted you. Difference. You presented late quotes as a case to support the vote. Im pulling these to prove your scum alignment and continued lying.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:21 pm

In post 1120, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1119, Beck wrote:
In post 1116, Majiffy wrote:Hammering yourself to prove your alignment in a 1v1 isnt anti-wincon.

if you are town absolutely yes it is because I am also town.

Well we wont know that till youre flipped now will we? See you in the dead qt! Next time dont lie and make false meta cases scumbutt!

1. you won't see me in the dead qt cause you are dead to me regardless of your alignment.
2. I have never lied and I didn't make a false meta case.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:23 pm

In post 1117, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1114, Beck wrote:
In post 1107, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1103, Beck wrote:see, only scum would self hammer.

Town-majiffy self-hammered in a recent game he and I played.

I think it's happened again.

if that's the case he deserves a site ban for violating the "play to win" site rule but apparently nobody on this site actually enforces rules...

He had a pretty town-sided reason for what he did in that game. I disagreed with him, but I can't fault the reason much.

It doesn't fit in your black-and-white concept of mafia, though, for sure.

if you are actually excusing his behavior then you are part of the problem, not the solution.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:24 pm

In post 1124, fferyllt wrote:Your style of play is extremely suboptimal, beck.

It's pretty obvious that majiffy is going to flip town based on his after-hammer posts.

If you're town, then there are better ways to spend the twilight than slamming him.

like what slamming me like you just did?

jiffy is flipping scum here.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:25 pm

In post 1125, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1122, Beck wrote:
In post 1118, Majiffy wrote:No, those were just arguments. Not the reason i initially voted you. Difference. You presented late quotes as a case to support the vote. Im pulling these to prove your scum alignment and continued lying.

Not a backpedal. Youre just misrepping again.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:32 pm

In post 1132, fferyllt wrote:I could say exactly the same about your behavior,

there is absolutely nothing wrong with my behavior thank you

p.edit - excuse me? 1st we didn't mislynch, we lynched scum 2nd don't tell me to fuck off.

I ONLY did the ultimatum because majiffy insulted me and our mod is a [redacted] who can't bother to enforce her own rules. If he wasn't a viable lynch option I would have just replaced out and reported the mod. But he WAS a viable lynch option as he was near lynch when he violated the rules.

I will not replace out now that we lynched scum.

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:40 pm

In post 1141, fferyllt wrote:Ok, so it wasn't because you thought he was scum, it's because he pissed you off with that post?

no I thought he was scum before that

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:41 pm

In post 1141, fferyllt wrote:What will you do if he flips town?

reevaluate my reads obviously

Beck · Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:49 pm

I haven't revaluated yet because I don't have a flip. I ignore all of this trolling by jiffy and I wait until the mod confirms his alignment. Then once the next day starts I will reread and reevaluate.

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:28 am

totally not who I was expecting to be nk'd

I will try re-reading later today

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:37 am

You didn't think scripten would have been targeted? I mean who lets a soft claimed PR live?

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:40 am

I can't confirm he's town, I can confirm he's telling the truth about his having an ability

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:41 am

In post 1161, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Yeah, I'm out of V/LA.

Updated reads when you get a chance

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:44 am

Not a fruit vendor lol

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:49 am

Until I do more research, I'd say 75% likely

P.edit - I wish I knew he was town

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:53 am

Grib/pine are my early reads

P.edit - yeah math lol, its just a number I pulled out of my head

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:55 am

In post 1170, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why was Beck tunnelling you yesterday when he knew you were town?

I didn't know he was town

I still don't. He's probably town, if I can find a scum version of his role then he's less likely to be town

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:08 am

I just remembered this is a theme game and not bound by normal rules. So its possible he can be scum but for now I'll put him in town pile

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:52 am

ok so I feel better about scripten being town after the searching I just did. still not 100% but yeah this does help narrow the pool down quite a bit.

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:35 am

In post 1182, Grib wrote:Given there's a wagon forming on me and BBT is backing off, I'll say he's town for toDay.

making a mental note, if I am ever scum and you are town...

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:21 am

In post 1192, fferyllt wrote:Which suggests to me that at least one scum is experienced and quite competent,

If I'm correct in assuming you are town, I disagree with that quote. I will say my town read on you has dropped cause I honestly was expecting you to draw the nk

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:39 am

In post 1198, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1194, Beck wrote:
In post 1192, fferyllt wrote:Which suggests to me that at least one scum is experienced and quite competent,

If I'm correct in assuming you are town, I disagree with that quote. I will say my town read on you has dropped cause I honestly was expecting you to draw the nk

As far as your disagreement, that doesn't surprise me given what I've seen of how you think about the game on day 1. The reason I think we have a competent and experienced scum is because none of the players I would characterize as experienced and competent were night killed.

So expereinced/competent scum leaves experienced/competent players alive and killa wild card players? That seems backwards

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:41 am

In post 1203, Pine wrote:Thank you for categorizing yourself correctly, Beck

What?

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:45 am

oh so you are trying to insult me...

got it

:mental note. don't play with pine anymore:

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:57 am

Bbt was the only one who wanted me lynched

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:02 am

The first thing I do when I start my re-read will be to look at all of the wagons who got to more than 50% votes needed to lynch and see who is on each wagon. I also want to see who was on each wagon that got to L-1. Sure it's early but it could provide useful

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:34 am

Well I was thinking grib/pine last night just off points you made, I had convinced myself that you were absolutely going to die.

Now im less sure of my reads, and my read of you, especially since I remember who you replaced.

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:52 am

ok

Beck

- FinnLaw, BlueBloodedToffee,

Majiffy

, Mathdino (L-1) - At least 1 scum out of these 3

Grib-

Scripten

Pine, BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedToffee- Grib, Mathdino,

Beck, Scripten

(L-1)

Majiffy- insanity018

, Mathdino, Grib,

Beck

(L-1)

Majiffy

- insanity018, Grib,

Scripten,Beck, Majiffy

(Lynched) - Jiffy hammering himself really sucks and stole information from us.

I think scum is somewhere in BBT/Grib/Math but I don't want to rule out Pine because of his strong defense of me all game. It definitely rubs me wrong and don't want to rule out ffery either. That's too many people

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:53 am

In post 1225, Mathdino wrote:Guys, if the death of fferyllt points straight to Grib/Pine getting lynched, wouldn't killing fferyllt be a dumbass move?

why would her death point to them?

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:58 am

you are going off my opinion like it is shared by everyone else, you can't do that

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:39 am

In post 1234, Pine wrote:
In post 1229, Beck wrote:you are going off my opinion like it is shared by everyone else, you can't do that

Don't we all have to do that to a certain extent? Isn't that kind of the foundational conceit of guessing others' intentions?

my point is that killing FF doesn't automatically mean you and grib

Beck · Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:43 am

vote: bbt

Beck · Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:16 am

But I'm not scum so...

Beck · Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:06 am

In post 1254, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Oh shit! You're not scum? Dammit.

@Everyone - Are you scum? Please answer honestly.

I think I have cracked how to play Mafia now.

lol

Just trust me, this isn't my scum game.

Beck · Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:14 am

Of course self meta is awesome, but somebody else already said this isnt my scum game, in fact 2 other people did.

Beck · Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:54 am

No skin off my back, I don't care if I'm lynched.

Beck · Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:23 am

Not even trying... You need to try harder cause self meta isn't scummy, not even by a mile

Its obvious you're mad I'm voting you.

Beck · Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:54 am

Don't need to try at that either, cause I honestly don't care. Once I claimed yesterday I was fully prepared to die so now I'm just having fun waiting for the clock to run out.

Beck · Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:35 pm

What about bbt?

Beck · Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:36 pm

The way I look at it, both have enough support to get lynched. Bbt isnt even trying if he's town

Beck · Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:42 pm

Your lynch pool is me and scripten?

Beck · Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:42 pm

Damn, read that wrong. Nvm

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:27 am

If I was scum I would have immediately believed scripten was town and immediately tried to befriend him, I didn't do that and I'm still not 100% he's town but nice try.

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:29 am

I'd also be voting grib right now knowing almost everyone wants tonlynch him and he's the most viable wagon.

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:31 am

You are scum cause IMO vca points to you being scum plus your weird 180 x 2 day 1, plus you think a player is scum for self meta, no townie would think a player is scum for self meta. Town use self meta All THE FUCKING TIME.

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:32 am

In post 1294, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Nah, you have to make it look believable.

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:42 am

In your opinion it is, your opinion disagrees with my personal experience of more than 4 years on this site and another 4 elsewhere.

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:53 am

In post 1168, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:So, Beck and Scripten know each other to be town?

Not to mention this question only has scum motivation IMO.

The vca part is the way you avoided the jiffy wagon for no good reason at all and out of the players on my l-1 wagon where almost certain 1 person is scum, your play has been the most scummiest I have seen. If math was scum id be able to make a case for him, I can't cause I haven't seen anything really scummy.

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:04 am

In post 1300, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Do you really think I'm the type of player who is scared of being on a wagon that lynches a townie when I'm scum?

Idk are you?

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:08 am

I mean you threw out the self meta yourself there by implying you wouldn't. So by your own logic you are scum. Self vote please

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:10 am

If you were town I think you would be able to put together a case on a person that actually makes sense. I don't think you have come remotely close to doing that all game. None of your votes have come for reasons that are actually scummy.

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:20 am

I'm doing more than you have done, so save the criticism thank you

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:46 am

Pine, cause I'm having trouble finding it. Can you restate your case on grib. I can't find where you have made convincing arguments on why he's scum.

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:19 pm

You posts don't have as much substance as you think they do. Majority of your posts could easily be tossed in the filler pile. Buddying me and trying to referee arguments is all that stands out.

And I did try to search your posts, its why I asked you to restate them cause I don't really see any good reasons.

Now please restate your case

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:03 pm

In post 534, Pine wrote:Grib's eagerness to hammer is VERY scummy. He clearly wants to, but wants approval for it. Mathdino's response in 529 is pure Town. Town will hold off to let people get their say, not out of hesitation of "Am I doing his right"

Srsly, I'd love to policy lynch Beck as an absolute prat, but he's really, really Town

Grib is the correct lynch. When I have time, I'll analyze the Beck wagon, I have a feeling it's a scum-inspired counterwagon

This was the first negative thing you said.about grib, you had a town read on him earlier and at some point it changed with no reasoning. This eagerness to hammer was also proven false as there was no eagerness at all and certainty no seeking of approval z Finn I beleiev was the one who called you out on that and you got uber defensive about it.

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:05 pm

In post 703, Pine wrote:moved off of him when my second choice (Grib) looked more viable for the day

This could easily be described as opportunistic, especially paired with the bad reason.you gave, the one.that wasn't even true

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:08 pm

In post 785, Pine wrote:What, this question? Fuck off, scum, that's a loaded question.

This response.to grib is not a townie response

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:13 pm

So basically you give 1 weak/untrue reason, get defensive/overreact when called out about it, and.then when grib asks you questions you fly off the rails. You have been trying to buddy me all game and been wk'ing the entire game also.

vote: pine

Bbt will get rope tomorrow

Beck · Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:38 pm

I was blinded by the buddying but I can't anymore. Pine is scum.

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:37 am

I'm reading, I still don't see a reason why he's scum. That quote is horseshit, just like your claim you have provided reasons why he's scum.

SERIOUSLY PINE. you aren't providing good reasons for your scum read.

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:38 am

Vote stays. Another thing pine isn't doing, he's not being active and trying to figure shit out. He pops in, posts a couple of meaningless posts/insults/white knitting posts and vanishes again.

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:47 am

Cmon pine, you are scum reading grib cause you disagree with him about something. How is that remotely even close to a good reason? You say Occam's razor but that's a cop out and I don't even think its accurate in this case

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:40 am

1320 is far from a bad post

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:42 am

In post 1336, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:It's a post that people will town-read you for. I'm letting you know it doesn't work with me.

You 'find scum' your way and I'll find scum my way. Associative tells are a bad way to scum-hunt when you don't have the relevant information available.

So is voting people for using self meta but that didn't stop you...

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:44 am

In post 1338, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:^^

Point proven.

Its more than you and pine have contribted combined, I see why you are jealous and have to try and discredit it

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:45 am

In post 1340, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I didn't vote you for using self-meta. Silly.

Orly?

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:45 am

In post 1259, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Self-meta haha. The only thing that's worse than people who use meta to scum-hunt.

I'd really like to lynch Beck.

In post 1260, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:VOTE: Beck

This says otherwise

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:31 pm

In post 1345, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:PEdit - Are you saying I didn't think you were scum D1 Beck?

you know i am not scum, you only called me scum because I refused to stop pushing scripten which is basically you not scum reading me and instead was a veiled policy lynch vote because early on I was pushing him AFTER he soft claimed you were still calling me town. You proved later you didn't really think I was scum when you did a 180 again and called me town all because i claimed VT, you decided you wanted to go after somebody else which reaks of running people up just to get them to claim aka PR hunting.

then you do another 180 on me and vote me because I did self meta...

yeah you aren't town

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:33 pm

In post 1345, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:It's a post that reeks of 'Look how hard I'm trying to work out this game'

and trying to work out the game is scummy?

bbt needs to be

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:35 pm

and just for the record, beck isn't going to flip scum

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:40 pm

until bbt can actually put a list of REAL reasons why he is scum reading me down in print for everyone to see and not some malarky about me using self meta and I wouldn't stop tunneling scripten, it's not even worth your time to try and prove bbt wrong. With those kinds of reasons, those are scum motivated reasons and scum can't be "wrong" they can only be scum.

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:59 pm

Cause I see pine is scum and I see bbt is scum, I also think grib is lynch bait. When almost everyone is willing to lynch a person, that's a red flag for me.

Beck · Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:13 pm

Well I did say almost everyone

Beck · Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:27 pm

In post 1378, Pine wrote:Sorry for absences, it's site-wide, despite Beck's frothing-at-the-mouth efforts to make it a sign of scumminess. It's work related, i have an 80 hour week. I have this evening off to respond to stuff

I want to believe you but then I search your posts and see that isn't completely true. Sure your posts are down somewhat but this game seems the most affected by it.

Beck · Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:29 pm

And if work is sooooo busy and you are neglecting current games, why sign up for another? That's irresponsible

Beck · Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:47 am

I'm tending to my wife in the hospital, but I really don't have anything to add. My scum reads are known and my vote probably won't be changing unless it's back to bbt

Beck · Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:32 am

In post 1401, Grib wrote:You understand that if people want to lynch me, they should be fucking trying to lynch me. I refuse to be a lazy deadline!lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pine

Should be L-2 or whatever.

That would be l-1

But now its l-2

unvote

Those 2 votes came really quick

Beck · Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:36 am

Its 4 to lynch

Beck · Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:38 am

In post 1400, Mathdino wrote:Let's hope we're right on this.

This phrase really rubs me wrong

Beck · Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:12 am

In post 1410, Scripten wrote:I am kinda hating Fferyllt flaking on this game.

Same here, this isn't like her from what I can tell

Beck · Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:13 am

In post 1409, Grib wrote:
In post 1407, Beck wrote:
In post 1400, Mathdino wrote:Let's hope we're right on this.

This phrase really rubs me wrong

Why do people only start giving a shit about my lynch targets once I've moved on to someone else.

Seriously. Why.

Cause up until that point math wasn't really doing anything scummy

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:35 am

Meh fuck it

vote: pine

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:37 am

Thanks captain obvious

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:28 am

So you would hammer a player that your top 2 scum reads are trying to lynch?

unvote

Explain yourself

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:48 am

No, not happy

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:49 am

Happy birthday scripten

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:54 am

In post 1431, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Beck, how about you grant Scripten his wish?

Im not scum so cant help him

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:55 am

In post 1432, Scripten wrote:I don't understand why the Pine wagon was so easy. I also don't understand why the BBT wagon is so difficult. It's concerning.

Agree

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:57 am

In post 1429, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What are you unhappy about Beck?

I missed that. Happy Birthday Scripten!

The fact that you are willing to hammer pine when the 2 people you are trying to lynch are alao voting that person. Town would be more cautious imo

P. Edit - funny you dony quote grib/math since those were the back to back votes...

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:59 am

In post 1400, Mathdino wrote:You understand that if we lynch you and you flip town, we'll be in LyLo.

Regardless, you have been active, and that's more than Pine can say. I think your last post gives slight townvibes, and like I said, I'm fine with either lynch.

UNVOTE: Grib
VOTE: Pine
Let's hope we're right on this.

In post 1401, Grib wrote:You understand that if people want to lynch me, they should be fucking trying to lynch me. I refuse to be a lazy deadline!lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pine

Should be L-2 or whatever.

These are the ones you should have quoted.

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:00 am

In post 1437, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Beck's voting and unvoting of Pine looks like he can't decide whether to bus or not.

No it looks like I'm suspicious of what just happened, sort of how you should have been when your top 2 scum reads were voting the same person...

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:03 am

Lol, I'm not scum so i can't be bussing.

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:06 am

I thought pine was scum until the 2 votes, I then thought they were suspicious so I wanted to think about things. I decided to ignore my doubts and revote. Your intent to hammer with almost no discussion is more than enough to give me even more doubt.

I don't think pine is scum anymore.

Its you and one of grib/math.

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:07 am

vote: bbt

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:12 am

Probably something to do with him being inactive and scum look like they are trying to lynch him without providing info...

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:13 am

I'm not voting pine anymore, this series of events definitely came from scum.

Bbt if you are town you done fucked up

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:20 am

In post 1449, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 1448, Beck wrote:
Bbt if you are town you done fucked up

Haha, you know I'm town.

I don't actually

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:18 am

I need to read that post again myself, cause I find it hard to believe you can poe an entire team based on the limited flips we have had

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:27 pm

In post 1467, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:He 'finds out' that Scripten is town somehow.

Check your facts cause this never happened. I still don't know scripten is town.

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:48 pm

In post 1477, Beck wrote:
In post 1467, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:He 'finds out' that Scripten is town somehow.

Check your facts cause this never happened. I still don't know scripten is town.

Btw, why would a townie be mad about this if it was true? As a townie if I could somehow scratch 2 possible names off my list of suspects I'd be ecstatic.

Seems to me you are butt hurt scum that has lost 2 townies from your mislynch pool to me...

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:51 pm

In post 1479, Pine wrote:Ugh, I am seriously driving the struggle bus with quotes tonight

Vote bbt

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:20 pm

In post 1467, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Let's entertain the crazy possibility that Beck could be scum.

He 'finds out' that Scripten is town somehow. Scripten is practically conf town to everyone. In turn, Beck seems to be universally town-read, and I feel that it has a lot to do with what has happened between Scripten and himself.

Now, Beck has this town-cred, Beck or his buddy kills Scripten. Scripten flips town!, Beck gains more town-cred for confirming Scripten as town and proceeds to breeze through the game.

How does that sound?

Well I thought it was a lovely story... You tell it SO WELL, with such enthusiasm.

But riddle me this batman. How would I as scum conspire this plan if scripten is town and I was scum who has no idea what role scripten had to begin with?

Also scripten can tell you what happened in the qt, what I said when he asked me to confirm him as town day 2.

The ONLY way this plan works is if we are scum together and then that doesnt even work as a good idea.

Beck · Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:21 pm

In post 1482, Pine wrote:I'm still trying to figure out how the Grib wagon, which was nearly unanimous, disintegrated

I don't think grib ever got to l-1

Beck · Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:35 am

1. Ask scripten what my reaction was last night. Also look at me day 2, I had to research first and the. I still wasn't convinced completely. If I was scum, I would immediately started buddying him.

2. That makes literally no sense if you are Town, so you are scum

3. You fail so bad, that literally makes no sense

4. Why math and not me? Or pine (you know, the guy who you wanted to hammer? ) Or scripten or fferly? All seem convinced I'm not scum

Beck · Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:51 am

In post 1493, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:simply claim Scripten is 100% town because Scripten knows that you cannot know for sure he is town?

Do me a favor, ask scripten what he asked me to do and what my response was.

Thanks

Beck · Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:54 am

In post 1493, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Well, I chose Math because, you know, I think he is scum. That's how this game works right? You vote for who you think is scum in the hope that people listen and lynch that person?

So you dont think pine is scum? Why did you give intent to hammer on him if you didn't think he was scum?

Beck · Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:56 am

I mean pine is closest to a Lynch so if you were really trying to lynch a scum read, pine would have made more sense. Seema like he was only a viable option when he was at l-1 which speaks VOLUMES to how scummy you are

Beck · Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:17 am

No bad logic here bro

Beck · Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:32 am

You're joking right?

Beck · Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:32 am

You're joking right?

Beck · Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:58 am

So its not odd he wanted to hammer you but now he has no interest in lynching you?

Beck · Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:35 am

I thought we were lynching bbt...

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:20 am

In post 1512, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 1494, Beck wrote:
Do me a favor, ask scripten what he asked me to do and what my response was.

Thanks

Did it go something like this?

Scripten: Hey Beck, you can confirm I am town now.

Beck: No I can't, how do I know you're 100% town?

Scripten: You don't. You just have to trust me.

Nice job

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:00 am

In post 1526, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I don't explain town-reads.

Beck is scum.

Pine is probably buddy.

Scripten, Grib and yourself are town.

Ffery is probably town as well.

Beck/Pine scum by PoE really.

So, I'm not scum. If you aren't actually scum here, who is the real scum team.

The fact you haven't even attempted to explain your scum read on me and have used really weak reasons that aren't even scum tells, confirms to me you aren't town.

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:06 am

Cause he needs you on his side

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:42 am

In post 1537, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I have more than explained why I think you're scum.

Actually not really

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:43 am

In post 1540, Mathdino wrote:Also, the fact that BBT didn't immediately reveal his flavour and point this out shows that 20 and 22 are probably legit related to his flavour.

Beck, thoughts?

Let me look at this when I get to work

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:09 am

In post 1547, fferyllt wrote:beck and scriptin town.

You, Mathdino kinda town

Grib, Pine best picks for scum. Pine is mostly PoE plus a readily admitted shitty paranoid gut read.

I'd kinda like to lynch Grib. Day 1, he was involved as fuck while he was under pressure and then did a fade. Day 2 has been similar, with fewer pyrotechnics.

In post 1549, fferyllt wrote:oh shit that rule.

VOTE: Grib

If he was kinda town, why did you hammer?

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:09 am

Fuck, nvm me

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:12 am

In post 1540, Mathdino wrote:Also, the fact that BBT didn't immediately reveal his flavour and point this out shows that 20 and 22 are probably legit related to his flavour.

Beck, thoughts?

Bbt hinted at being an omnivore, he claimed an omnivore. No surprise here.

Since apparently scum can be any type, I see nothing that warrants him being town. His play is still very indicitve of scum imo

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:35 am

In post 1559, Pine wrote:Does AA9 have a history of comprehensive fakeclaims

I can't find a game she modded where she posts the role pms so I have no idea. I did try and check real fast and looked at like 4 or 5 games

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:36 am

In post 1558, Grib wrote:Okay.

So Pine or Mathdino.

convince me on why pine or math should be today's lynch

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:59 am

Can you quote it for me?

Just cause i disagree with you doesn't mean I can't change my mind. But seriously how you can town read him when he refuses to vote pine, despite giving intent to hammer...

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:05 am

In post 1565, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'd much rather lynch you Beck.

Your actions don't match these words...

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:22 am

considering the last time you voted me was 8 days ago and instead you wanted to hammer the person your top 2 scum reads were voting and then when he wasn't at L-1 anymore you decide to abandon pine all together and try and start a math wagon, yeah pretty much your actions don't support your words.

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:27 am

In post 1566, Beck wrote:
In post 1565, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'd much rather lynch you Beck.

Your actions don't match these words...

You are just proving myself correct but please carry on

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:56 am

In post 1575, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I don't understand why nobody is willing to entertain the idea of Beck being scum.

Tbh, it's becoming a little frustrating now.

Cause everyone can see I'm not scum, because I'm ACTUALLY NOT SCUM.

I haven't even done scummy things to even deserve a sxum read from you.

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:24 am

In post 1577, Pine wrote:Actually, you have. Your Town playstyle is actually really scummy. You vote hop, don't follow through on wagons, and make bullshit cases. Remember Rolling in the Deep? I was legitimately convinced you were scum, where you're behaving the same as here

The thing is, you only do that as Town. You pull it back as scum.

I mean, you're in your meta turbo-Town mode, but saying you've done nothing scummy is laughable

1. vote hopping isn't scummy only n00bs think that and you certainly aren't a n00b, and I haven't even vote hopped this game.

2. I had full intentions of following through with your wagon, scripten's also and I plan to follow through with BBT's and I absolutely followed through with majiffy's wagon. Not following through isn't scummy either. Changing your mind because someone does something scummy to give you doubt isn't scummy either.

3. I haven't made a bullshit case my entire life. Now I may ultimately be wrong, but the cases I make are 100% spot on about the person I am making them on.

Beck · Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:32 am

Pine. If you think grib is scum convince all the people who expressed interest in lynching him to actually vote him. Between yourself, math, scripten, and bbt surely you can rally 2 more votes

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:23 am

In post 1604, Pine wrote:I'll let Majiffy know

Kinda pointless now...

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:25 am

So we aren't lynching scum today?

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:22 am

In post 1611, Mathdino wrote:We're lynching Grib or Pine today.

If that's the case see you guys the next day phase.

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:46 am

looking over the VCs from day 1, grib's vote history is really bad. I'm still holding on for a bbt wagon but I will concede to grib if I have to.

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:22 am

In post 1623, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Pine's wagon is easy because he has a whole 2 votes?

What does that have to do with anything?

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:31 am

Nobody mentioned his lack of votes as a reason for voting them that I recall and this is the first anyone brought that up, so no its not a silly question. Is that honestly why you are voting him? Cause if you are and I'm wrong about you that's literally the dumbest reason ever

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:50 am

In post 1628, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Haha, you think I'm voting him because he doesn't have enough votes?

Is that what I'm actually reading?

Well why else would you bring it up? You certainly haven't done a good job explaining any of your votes so sorry if I have trouble figuring out this one. You just keep dodging...

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:52 am

In post 1631, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:PoE mostly.

I'm pretty sure you and Grib are town. Same for Math, but not as strong as you two.

Ffery is also probably town. This one I'm not that sure on but am certainly not thinking of lynching her any time soon.

This leaves Beck and Pine. Usually in this situation, I have one scum right and one scum wrong, there is always one person who fools me.

If I'm wrong on either Beck or Pine, then Ffery is probably the one who has me fooled.

That's where I'm at right now.

Oh so when you told me before you provided reasons that was just a lie right? Got it...

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:56 am

Nvm, I misread that post...

But now that I gt what you are saying, pine's wagon was easy cause he had 2 people voting him back to back putting him at l-1 and then you pop in giving intent. All that happened pretty fast which is the definition of an easy wagon.

So I guess I want to know is why are you trying to downplay pine was an easy wagon? Had I not unvoted the day probably would have ended with his lynch

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:58 am

In post 1636, fferyllt wrote:BBT I have no fucking idea why you're townreading me.

This. you have become the most useless person in the game.

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:00 am

In post 1635, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 1633, Beck wrote:
In post 1631, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
PoE mostly
.

Oh so when you told me before you provided reasons that was just a lie right? Got it...

Hope that helps you out.

Poe aren't reasons, try agin

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:03 am

In post 1461, Beck wrote:I find it hard to believe you can poe an entire team based on the limited flips we have had

I said this to math, it still applies to you as well.

Plus what happened to your theory that scripten/me is a scum team? Now you are town reading him?

Plus I'm pretty sure you were scum reading grib at some point, why did that change? What did he do to make you think he's town?

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:06 am

In post 1436, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 1314, Beck wrote:

vote: pine

In post 1400, Mathdino wrote:

UNVOTE: Grib
VOTE: Pine
Let's hope we're right on this.

These votes might have something to do with it.

Just saying.

Also.you never explained.why you left grib's vote out as a reason why pine was at l-1. Why would you purposely lie to pine if you are indees town? My vote was #1 remember?

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:09 am

You can't poe a whole scum team on day 2, its literally impossible. Even great mafia players have trouble doing this and no offense here but none of you are on that level.

Poe is lazy work

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:27 am

In post 1648, Pine wrote:

^This fucking thread

Then help lynch bbt and let's and this day

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:27 am

End this day*

Beck · Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:40 am

Bbt is playing like that newbie game here, though he isn't playing like the jiffy game that just ended. So I'm not sure meta will be useful.

His play speaks for itself though and it's screaming scum.

Out of the blue intent to hammer isn't town motivated. Trying to mislead pine and deflect away from grib was kinda weird too